In what way do you believe God specifically shows his love for unrepentant sinners who are in hell?

[GWH]

I’m not one of these people who imagined I Can’t be wrong . Have been and probably will be again. A lot of folks don’t believe it’s possible what they think could be wrong . I’m too old i I or better been proven wrong before and may be again

bottom line i dont think anyone here is always right for including myself

I didn’t say I was wrong , what I said was that’s what I believe but that doesn’t mean I’m right . Seems like a good expression of my position

So my guess about what you meant by saying "it’s just my opinion doesn’t mean I’m right and
you are wrong or anything just discussing" was correct, and I agree with what you just said.

The reason for my clarification is that I am always hoping no one is trolling,
but rather everyone is sharing their sincere beliefs and interpretations of GW
with willingness to amend them immediately if enlightened by CC discussions,
so that we always are stating what we believe is the best/truest understanding.

Thanks for providing me the opportunity to mention this concern for sincerity and unity.

 

[GWH]

I saw this thread at its start. I read this post and a couple of others and thought the thread would die for lack of interest.

I'm surprised it has received this much interest if the observation above were valid.

I think this thread is one of the most important topics that has been originated on CC.
What surprised me was how many replies it is taking to resolve nothing on the Understanding God's Election thread.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

So my guess about what you meant by saying "it’s just my opinion doesn’t mean I’m right and
you are wrong or anything just discussing" was correct, and I agree with what you just said.

The reason for my clarification is that I am always hoping no one is trolling,
but rather everyone is sharing their sincere beliefs and interpretations of GW
with willingness to amend them immediately if enlightened by CC discussions,
so that we always are stating what we believe is the best/truest understanding.

Thanks for providing me the opportunity to mention this concern for sincerity and unity.

“my guess about what you meant by saying "it’s just my opinion doesn’t mean I’m right and
you are wrong or anything just discussing" was correct, and I agree with what you just said.”

yes I just meant this

“it’s just my opinion doesn’t mean I’m right and
you are wrong or anything just discussing”

i appreciate the discussion and clarification . I see a lot of arguing over the pet three years here that is obviously caused because two people both are sure they aren’t wrong but they are saying opposite things . It’s hard to see if it’s you but if your hurt observing it’s easy to see

airs very counterproductive for my own purpose of being here . I’ve been wrong here more than once been corrected on a few things I began being convinced of but in the end the other person showed the right scriptures and said the right words with the right attitude and it taught me something new which I appreciate learning things if I’m wrong

i suppose that’s why I say that pretty often in my posts . Because I know that I’m capable of being completely wrong but not seeing it myself , I of course believe what I’m saying to be correct but my point is I could be wrongn so me thinking I’m right , doesn’t mean I’m actually right . Just trying to discuss peacefully and consider the other persons words and thoughts without pre judging they are wrong and I’m right

 

[GWH]

“my guess about what you meant by saying "it’s just my opinion doesn’t mean I’m right and
you are wrong or anything just discussing" was correct, and I agree with what you just said.”

yes I just meant this

“it’s just my opinion doesn’t mean I’m right and
you are wrong or anything just discussing”

i appreciate the discussion and clarification . I see a lot of arguing over the pet three years here that is obviously caused because two people both are sure they aren’t wrong but they are saying opposite things . It’s hard to see if it’s you but if your hurt observing it’s easy to see

airs very counterproductive for my own purpose of being here . I’ve been wrong here more than once been corrected on a few things I began being convinced of but in the end the other person showed the right scriptures and said the right words with the right attitude and it taught me something new which I appreciate learning things if I’m wrong

i suppose that’s why I say that pretty often in my posts . Because I know that I’m capable of being completely wrong but not seeing it myself , I of course believe what I’m saying to be correct but my point is I could be wrongn so me thinking I’m right , doesn’t mean I’m actually right . Just trying to discuss peacefully and consider the other persons words and thoughts without pre judging they are wrong and I’m right

I agree and also admit my fallibility as I try to harmonize opposing interpretations of GW.
HAND

 

[Mouse_Cheeks]

I think this thread is one of the most important topics that has been originated on CC.
What surprised me was how many replies it is taking to resolve nothing on the Understanding God's Election thread.

You injected the Election thread. Let's pursue that.

I've been in a number of forums where one of the most contentious topics is God's election of those he chose to show grace and bring into his salvation.

Hypothetically,if we accept,concede,that election unto salvation is true of God then it would stand to reason,as a consistent parallel to that,that God also chose not to save those who then are damned to Hell.

Continuing with the hypothetical.

Given all that, it then must be conceded as well that all things are predetermined by God. As he says in his own words.

Which we can say is made clear when before the foundation of the world, Jesus,God made flesh,was the lamb sacrificed for sins.
1 Peter 1:20
He was foreknown before the foundation of the world but was made manifest in the last times for the sake of you

And the lambs book of life was written then too. It contains the names of all who are saved in Christ.

This then brings to mind the Old Testament verse, Proverbs 16:9.
The heart of man plans his way, but the Lord establishes his steps.

Ephesians 1:11
In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will.

 

[GWH]

You injected the Election thread. Let's pursue that.

I've been in a number of forums where one of the most contentious topics is God's election of those he chose to show grace and bring into his salvation.

Hypothetically,if we accept,concede,that election unto salvation is true of God then it would stand to reason,as a consistent parallel to that,that God also chose not to save those who then are damned to Hell.

Continuing with the hypothetical.

Given all that, it then must be conceded as well that all things are predetermined by God. As he says in his own words.

Which we can say is made clear when before the foundation of the world, Jesus,God made flesh,was the lamb sacrificed for sins.
1 Peter 1:20
He was foreknown before the foundation of the world but was made manifest in the last times for the sake of you

And the lambs book of life was written then too. It contains the names of all who are saved in Christ.

This then brings to mind the Old Testament verse, Proverbs 16:9.
The heart of man plans his way, but the Lord establishes his steps.

Ephesians 1:11
In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will.

Okay, now what about the other hypothetical?

 

[Daisy2]

I'm still not completely convinced about annihilation, but it's certainly a possibility. First of all, I believe God will serve justice before any destruction occurs if it happens that way. The devil, especially, must pay for all the crimes he has caused on this earth, and the weeping and gnashing of teeth mentioned in Scripture supports this idea.

TMS, I disagree with the fire in hell belongs to the devil—it is most likely God's fire. as for the souls I've never considered that are Father the maker of our souls could destroy what he has made.

Additionally, there are Christians who have had near-death experiences where they claimed have descended into hell. Many Catholic saints have also reported visions or experiences of hell.

Furthermore, if modern theology removes the idea of eternal suffering, wouldn't unbelievers be more inclined to continue in their sins, knowing that only annihilation awaits them? Many already believe this. However, the Bible states that some will be saved because they fear Hell—not because they fear death (Jude 1:23)

 

[Mouse_Cheeks]

Okay, now what about the other hypothetical?

Which?
It was all one.

 

[GWH]

Which?
It was all one.

You only shared the TULIP hypo.

The MFW interpretation would concede that election by God does not abrogate volition,
so it would stand to reason that sinners are responsible for choosing to ignore God's seeking grace
and therefore justly deserve not being saved and damned to Hell.

Continuing with the hypothetical, it then must be conceded as well that God's foreknowledge
does not predetermined who will and will not be saved--as He says in his own other words.

 

[Mouse_Cheeks]

You only shared the TULIP hypo.

I will say now,if you see Calvinists everywhere you look,this discussion will cease here.

The MFW interpretation would concede that election by God does not abrogate volition,
so it would stand to reason that sinners are responsible for choosing to ignore God's seeking grace
and therefore justly deserve not being saved and damned to Hell.

Continuing with the hypothetical, it then must be conceded as well that God's foreknowledge
does not predetermined who will and will not be saved--as He says in his own other words.

 

[TMS]

I'm still not completely convinced about annihilation, but it's certainly a possibility. First of all, I believe God will serve justice before any destruction occurs if it happens that way. The devil, especially, must pay for all the crimes he has caused on this earth, and the weeping and gnashing of teeth mentioned in Scripture supports this idea.

TMS, I disagree with the fire in hell belongs to the devil—it is most likely God's fire. as for the souls I've never considered that are Father the maker of our souls could destroy what he has made.

Additionally, there are Christians who have had near-death experiences where they claimed have descended into hell. Many Catholic saints have also reported visions or experiences of hell.

Furthermore, if modern theology removes the idea of eternal suffering, wouldn't unbelievers be more inclined to continue in their sins, knowing that only annihilation awaits them? Many already believe this. However, the Bible states that some will be saved because they fear Hell—not because they fear death (Jude 1:23)

God is love.
His justice and glory is so great it should not be the fear of pain that causes us to obey but because we love God so much that we fear that sin seperates us from Him.

Fear of separation and hurting our saviour should be the motivation to obey.

"If you love me keep my commandments"

The problem is the understanding of the nature of man.
How God created us.
God does not have pleasure in destroying the wicked. But in order to free the universe of sin and stop the rebellion on Earth it must be done.
God is doing all He can to help us turn to Him and live. But if people will not repent and cling to the evil that is causing so much pain they will be destroyed with their sin.

Heaven gave all to save every one. But it is our choice as to whether we accept the salvation or not.

The soul that sinneth shall die.

We are only living from day to day because of the life of God in us. We are not imortal and sin = death.

If you are really interested in the nature of man and what happens when you die I can give you a link to a bible study that really helped me understand things.
Just ask.

 

[GWH]

I will say now,if you see Calvinists everywhere you look,this discussion will cease here.

What I am looking for but not seeing is your harmonization of both hypotheticals.