Making a case for women in leadership

[Edith]

Tha

Everyone knows Pauls words on women pastors or rather a women speaking or teaching in the church and at face value this would seem pretty clear however the context of the verse has to do with the issues that was going on in the church at the time but what really got me thinking was this right here

Galatians 3:28 states that in Christ Jesus, there is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor male nor female, for all are one. This verse emphasizes the equality and unity of believers in Christ, transcending traditional social and cultural divisions. It highlights that these categories, while still present in human society,
are not determinants of value or significance within the Christian community and so this verse got me thinking if this is to be true then why do we take Pauls words at face value he would be contradicting the himself
unless of course he was speaking in regards to what was going on in the church at the time then it would make sense not to mention what about the women who he even baosted about who ministered to people such as Junia?

This one verse just doesn't make sense to me if indeed women are subhuman in the church and Jesus himself never forbid women of such a thing he never even addressed it
Would Jesus forbid the gospel being preached by a women?

Thank You

 

[Edith]

Perhaps @Edith does all her preaching outside of an official church assembly, from what I'm told that makes teaching and rebuking men completely permissible! Yayyyyyy!!!! 😃😊.

No dear I preach in Church and since I am called in the evangelic ministry people find my preaching hard to swallow. So I am the hard preacher and the other Pastors are petting the People so we are balanced.

 

[Blain]

Tha

leep doing what you have been called for and ignore the naysayers women are not subhuman.....

 

[Edith]

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it’s amazing to me that God can speak so plainly on women—saying, “Let your women keep silent in the churches, for THEY ARE NOT PERMITTED TO SPEAK” and “ It is SHAMEFUL FOR WOMEN TO SPEAK IN CHURCH”, and yet, you still think God really didn’t mean what He says



I have a problem believing God would write “ women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak..It is shameful for women to speak in the church”” and then go against His own word and “call” you to preach?? Why would God do that? I mean, can I believe what God says in the Bible if He says one thing and does the opposite? Is God two-faced? A liar?? This would make me feel that I can’t trust what He says.

God has said, “whoever does not believe will be condemned”. So can we expect God to invite atheists to come on in to heaven? Wouldn’t that be unfair to the people who believed what He said in Mark 16:16. He is an unbeliever, but he gets the same reward I get for being a believer?

What about the women who have obeyed His instructions in 1 Cioribthuabsv14:34 and have refrained from preaching because God said to; Aren’t they likely to feel angry with God because they believed what He said in the Bible but then He let you do it anyway??

The Bible says that God is no respecter of persons—- but if what you say is true, I guess He is.

Can you explain why the Holy Spirit would write “women keep silent in the churches” and then God “call” You to preach? It makes it sound like God and the Holy Spirit are in disagreement about this.

Beckworth Oh sweetheart: He did. it's long pathetic but true. let me give you a little testimony of how it happened? I had many plans in my life. I wanted to be a biochemist researcher, but for some reason the only source my families income got burnt. So I went to work doing all kinds of job when I turned 30 I decided it was time to go back to school by then the Lord and I were already in a deep relationship and I had started having dreams of me evangelising and winning souls but like you I did not think it as ministry call. I did 3years in school and before my final exams the administration called that my papers were frauded. that I have to go back to level 1. I was flabbergasted. why same thing with biochemistry? so a sister in the faith told me we should go together in fasting and prayers. That night on the floor crying in my 1 bedroom apartment, the Holy spirit manifested I was speaking in tongues then He said "Edith today I am giving you a covenant for service" then peace. My heart was at rest but again I did not think it is a call to ministry. so I made flyers on a message that was given me in a dream and was going everywhere and evangelising. Even so something was still wrong because He kept saying go and serve. So I said Lord I don't have any money to go to the seminary. He said go and see the pastor but I didn't want to and the worst period of my life started all doors closed. When I went to the seminary I was already crying. but Guess what my studies were full funded and I live in a three bedroom apartment with all bills paid Till my studies are over (i may share this if you want another time) People I have never seen and may never know send me money. By Grace I am a smart woman who wanted to influence her world but God gave me the Gospel and I will preach it with no fear because many are coming to the faith through the words God gave me.

 

[Blain]

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Beckworth Oh sweetheart: He did. it's long pathetic but true. let me give you a little testimony of how it happened? I had many plans in my life. I wanted to be a biochemist researcher, but for some reason the only source my families income got burnt. So I went to work doing all kinds of job when I turned 30 I decided it was time to go back to school by then the Lord and I were already in a deep relationship and I had started having dreams of me evangelising and winning souls but like you I did not think it as ministry call. I did 3years in school and before my final exams the administration called that my papers were frauded. that I have to go back to level 1. I was flabbergasted. why same thing with biochemistry? so a sister in the faith told me we should go together in fasting and prayers. That night on the floor crying in my 1 bedroom apartment, the Holy spirit manifested I was speaking in tongues then He said "Edith today I am giving you a covenant for service" then peace. My heart was at rest but again I did not think it is a call to ministry. so I made flyers on a message that was given me in a dream and was going everywhere and evangelising. Even so something was still wrong because He kept saying go and serve. So I said Lord I don't have any money to go to the seminary. He said go and see the pastor but I didn't want to and the worst period of my life started all doors closed. When I went to the seminary I was already crying. but Guess what my studies were full funded and I live in a three bedroom apartment with all bills paid Till my studies are over (i may share this if you want another time) People I have never seen and may never know send me money. By Grace I am a smart woman who wanted to influence her world but God gave me the Gospel and I will preach it with no fear because many are coming to the faith through the words God gave me.

No words.... just to beautiful of a testimony

 

[Edify]

When we see plainly in scripture about women preaching & also to be quiet, one MUST conclude that BOTH are correct, but one of them is improperly interpreted.
The Bible is always right, but not it's interpretation.

 

[Beckworth]

Do you believe the verse or not? if there is neither jew nor gentirle nor man nor women in Christ then Christ being the head over even man should be the decider not our interporetation of scripture not to mention if this verse is true then that means what paul said was spoken to the issue of the church at the time where women were indeed trying to have authority over men at the time look at the historical backgrounds the issues in the church are what he was speaking on

Again do some research on the historical background of what was going on in the church

Paul said—in the same letter ( book) in which he told women it was shameful for women to speak in the church— in the same book, he says, “as I teach everywhere in every church.” He reminds them again in 7:17 that the things he is saying to them, “so I ordain in all the churches. This letter to Corinth was not just for the Corinthians. It was to be circulated and read to all the churches. See Colossians 4:16. If Paul was writing something just for the people at Corinth, he would have indicated it just as He did in chapter 5 with a problem of adultery in their church; and chapter 1, where THEY were having problems with divisions; and as he did in Philippians 4;2 with 2 women who were not getting along. Chapter 14 is all about spiritual gifts and things going on in the churches. In all fairness, if verse 34 is only for the women at Corinth, then that whole chapter on spiritual gifts and the order of thins in the, assembly, when to speak in tongues, and when to keep silent, prophets needing to take turns prophesying, singing with the Spirit and singing with the understanding, EVERYTHING in that chapter must ONLY apply to the church at Corinth. Maybe I misunderstood you. Are you saying women were a problem in ALL the churches in the whole brotherhood of churches? Or just at Corinth? Because in verse 14 the word is “churches” plural, not “church” singular.

God’s word is not governed by “culture” in fact it is “counter” to culture most times. Even if, as you say, He is writing this because of the “culture” of the day, what He says about women is still just as true regardless of what their background or culture was. What is written in verse 34 and 1 Tim.2 is written by the Holy Spirit. It is divine. It is written with the finger of God. Whatever their “issues” were at the time does not make void what God has said about women speaking in the church.

1 Cor, 14:37- “If anyone thinks himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him acknowledge that THE THINGS THAT I WRITE TO YOU ARE THE COMMANDMENTS OF THE LORD.”

Be careful. Someone is whispering in your ear , but it is not God.

 

[Dino246]

I’m sorry, but the order given in 1 Cor. 11 does not show women to be “equal to” men. The Holy Spirit plainly says that man is woman’s head. That is not equal.

Does that mean every man is the head of every woman? No. It can only logically mean within a marriage.

Also, God told Eve in the garden that her husband would “rule over” her. That is not equality.

So many Christians misread this passage because they don't understand the context, and don't bother actually studying. The statements God makes to the serpent, the woman, and the man are statements of certain consequence, not punishments and not commands. Indeed, it is nonsensical to command someone, "Someone else will rule over you." It's not God's will that men rule over women; rather, it is a sad consequence of sin.

Consider God's prophecy to Israel in Deuteronomy 28:25 "The Lord will cause you to be defeated before your enemies. You will come at them from one direction but flee from them in seven". Does this sound like a command? No; it's just what will happen. Neither is Genesis 3:16 a command.

Galatians 3:28 is talking about spiritual equality—IN CHRIST. Spiritually, we are all of equal value to God. God said He is no respecter of persons. What does that mean? It means that God loves us all “equally”; it means that God loves men, women, black, white, Jew, Gentile “equally. It means that men, women, black, white, Jews and gentiles are all of great value “equally.” One person is not more important or valuable than another, one is not LOVED more than another. God’s salvation is “equal” for everyone, regardless of gender or race, or nationality. He hasn’t given salvation to men, but not to women; to Jews but not gentiles; to whites, but not blacks. “IN CHRIST” we are ALL equal.

Ah, so "in Christ" we are all equal, but "in Church" we aren't, "in the family" we aren't, and in any practical context where women and men interact, we aren't. I get it. Your concept of "equality" means that "some are more equal than others".

However, that does not remove the fact that God has an “order” for things here on earth. He even has an “order” for things in heaven. Don’t forget He said that God is the “head” of Christ. Michael is an ARCH angel. Who knows what kinds of “order” God has in heaven. In Revelation there are “.elders” in heaven. Galatians 3:28 does not change God’s order of God over Christ and man over woman. Galatians 3:28 does not change what God told Eve in the garden. Just as God gave men a different role in the family than the role He gave to women in the family, so God has given men and women different roles in the church. That doesn’t destroy their equality in Christ. The fact that God is the Father, and The Head, and Christ is the “Son”, does not violate God’s equality (Galatians 3:28) any more than man over woman destroys God’s equality.

Given that you don't correctly understand what God told Eve, your point is baseless.

 

[Dino246]

The Churches that Paul set up were set up in line with how the Jewish Synagogues were structured. They were designed to be led by men. Paul even clarified that it was his... let's repeat this... it was his DESIRE that women didn't preach.

No, it was his statement that he did not allow a woman (singular) to teach or "authentein" a man. The context tells us that it was a matter of protecting the flock from false teaching, not prohibiting competent, trained women from any role.

 

[Dino246]

Paul said—in the same letter ( book) in which he told women it was shameful for women to speak in the church— in the same book, he says, “as I teach everywhere in every church.” He reminds them again in 7:17 that the things he is saying to them, “so I ordain in all the churches. This letter to Corinth was not just for the Corinthians. It was to be circulated and read to all the churches. See Colossians 4:16. If Paul was writing something just for the people at Corinth, he would have indicated it just as He did in chapter 5 with a problem of adultery in their church; and chapter 1, where THEY were having problems with divisions; and as he did in Philippians 4;2 with 2 women who were not getting along. Chapter 14 is all about spiritual gifts and things going on in the churches. In all fairness, if verse 34 is only for the women at Corinth, then that whole chapter on spiritual gifts and the order of thins in the, assembly, when to speak in tongues, and when to keep silent, prophets needing to take turns prophesying, singing with the Spirit and singing with the understanding, EVERYTHING in that chapter must ONLY apply to the church at Corinth. Maybe I misunderstood you. Are you saying women were a problem in ALL the churches in the whole brotherhood of churches? Or just at Corinth? Because in verse 14 the word is “churches” plural, not “church” singular.

God’s word is not governed by “culture” in fact it is “counter” to culture most times. Even if, as you say, He is writing this because of the “culture” of the day, what He says about women is still just as true regardless of what their background or culture was. What is written in verse 34 and 1 Tim.2 is written by the Holy Spirit. It is divine. It is written with the finger of God. Whatever their “issues” were at the time does not make void what God has said about women speaking in the church.

1 Cor, 14:37- “If anyone thinks himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him acknowledge that THE THINGS THAT I WRITE TO YOU ARE THE COMMANDMENTS OF THE LORD.”

Be careful. Someone is whispering in your ear , but it is not God.

You keep repeating the same blather, but you clearly haven't done your homework.

 

[lrs68]

No, it was his statement that he did not allow a woman (singular) to teach or "authentein" a man. The context tells us that it was a matter of protecting the flock from false teaching, not prohibiting competent, trained women from any role.

Very true!

I only was showing it was Paul's personal view for the Churches he set up to be led by men like he saw in the Synagogues he once studied to be a part of.

 

[Beckworth]

No words.... just to beautiful of a testimony

I do appreciate your desire to teach spiritual things, but “testimonies” is not authority from God for practices or beliefs. The Bible says, if any man speaks, he must speak as the oracles of God.”1 Peter 4:11. And whatever we do in word or deed, we must do it all in the name of the Lord; that means by God’s authority, God has spoken in his word on women preachers. God is not going to tell you to do something that goes against what the Holy Spirit has written. You know who ALWAYS wants us to do the opposite of what God says? Satan. Didn’t he persuade Eve to do the opposite of what God said? God says ( in the Bible) that baptism saves us ( 1 what has Satan done? He has persuaded people to believe that baptism does NOT save us. God has said we are not saved by “faith only”. What has Satan persuaded men to believe? We ARE saved by “faith only.” Satan ALWAYS tells people to do the opposite of what God has said.

Also, in Hebrews 1:1-2 the Holy Spirit has written that IN TIMES PAST, God spoke to people “at various times and in various ways”. He spoke to them directly out loud or in their rear; he spoke to them in DREANS, visions, and prophecy. BUT, in these last days—that is NOW; We are in these last days__NOW. Now, He has spoken to us through His “SON.”—Jesus Christ.

The New Testament is called the “last will and testament of Jesus Christ. I Corinthians 2:16 tells us that we have the mind of Christ in the New Testament. That information coupled with 2 Tim. 3:16 which says that the scriptures are divinely inspired by God, that the Bible is complete and is ALL we need for EVERY GOOD WORK, tells me that God does not speak to us in “dreams”” anymore; or in any of the ways that He did in the past. NOW, He speaks to us through the words of Jesus Christ in the divinely inspired Book of God. Don’t you think Satan would like to get you to ignore what God says and what Jesus says in the Bible?? Of course he does. Don’t be deceived. The Bible is a “sure” thing. Believe it. It is the word of God. I’m telling you, according to Hebrews 1, God did not talk to you in a dream. If He did then He lied—either in the dream or in the Bible. And if the Bible is a book of lies, you are wasting your time preaching it.

Let me tell you a divinely inspired story—not from me, but from God. 1 Kings 13. A man of God was given a mission. He was told by God to go to the city of Bethel and prophecy against King Jerobiam.. God told him he was “NOT to eat bread, nor drink water, nor return by the same way you came.” Verse 9, He did everything God said…until an old prophet came to him and invited him to come home with him and eat. The man of God told him that he could not and he repeated what God said. The old prophet told him that an ANGEL came to him and told him it was alright for the man of God to come home with him and eat. But the Bible says HE LIED! The man of God does not know that the old prophet is lying to him. BUT, he DOES KNOW what God has said to him. He has a choice—to believe what he KNOWS God has said…or believe the old prophet. He decides to believe the old prophet. He takes the word of an angel OVER the word of God.

While he was eating, God spoke through the old prophet and said, “Because you have DISOBEYED the word of the Lord, and have NOT kept the commandment which the Lord your God has commanded you,…your corpse shall not come to the tomb of your fathers.” He was killed by God on his way home and was buried in that land.

This could be you, in this story. You could be the “man of God” who knows what God has said in 1 Cor. 14:34, but is taking the word of a “dream”. Over the word of God. Did you notice that the old prophet told him to do the exact thing “opposite” of what God said? Satan is the father of lies. Abd he will always tell you the opposite of what God says. So if someone in a dream told you to preach, which is the “opposite” of what God has said, then that is NOT God. Someone is lying to you, just like the old prophet lied to the man of God. Don’t listen to something else instead of what God says in 1 Cor. 14:34.

Yes, I can believe that you received many material blessings in the form of gifts and money, etc. because Satan is the ruler of this world.’ 1 John 5:19, and John 12:31. When Satan was tempting Jesus, one of the temptations was that if Jesus would serve him (Satan), he would give Jesus the “kingdoms of the world and their glory. That includes wealth. Satan is fully capable and has promised to reward those who server him ..in THIS life. But that bait has a HOOK! You will pay for it eternally in the next life.

So your testimony may sound wonderful and impress those who don’t know what God has said or how important it is to obey God and not Satan. But, there is a judgement day coming in which we will be judged by the things written in the books ( Revelation 20:12—not by dreams.

 

[Dino246]

I do appreciate your desire to teach spiritual things, but “testimonies” is not authority from God for practices or beliefs. The Bible says, if any man speaks, he must speak as the oracles of God.”1 Peter 4:11. And whatever we do in word or deed, we must do it all in the name of the Lord; that means by God’s authority, God has spoken in his word on women preachers. God is not going to tell you to do something that goes against what the Holy Spirit has written. You know who ALWAYS wants us to do the opposite of what God says? Satan.

It's sad that you attribute anything with which you don't agree to Satan. This is a discussion board, not a condemnation board. If you don't agree with someone else's viewpoint, you're welcome to say so, but once you cross the line, you become the accuser.

How about you start by explaining why the cultural context of 1 Timothy 2 is irrelevant. Follow up by explaining why Paul was so shocked in 1 Corinthians 14:36. I suspect you can't do either because your worldview simply doesn't allow you to consider those questions.

 

[Magenta]

Thank you dear. The message of the Resurrection was first given to women. So I spread it shamelessly. Thank for Advocating for us.

Amen!

 

[Snackersmom]

Also, in Hebrews 1:1-2 the Holy Spirit has written that IN TIMES PAST, God spoke to people “at various times and in various ways”. He spoke to them directly out loud or in their ear; he spoke to them in DREAMS, visions, and prophecy. BUT, in these last days—that is NOW; We are in these last days__NOW. Now, He has spoken to us through His “SON.”—Jesus Christ.

If God can't still speak through visions, dreams, and prophecy (and you acknowledge that we are currently in the last days), then how do you explain Acts 2: 17-18 ?

I'm a bit shocked at your determination to judge other people's callings.

But on the bright side, you are giving us an excellent example of what it looks like when a woman tries to usurp authority and teach outside of her calling. So thank you for the real-time illustration! 😊

 

[Magenta]

If God can't still speak through visions, dreams, and prophecy (and you acknowledge
that we are currently in the last days), then how do you explain Acts 2: 17-18 ?

I'm a bit shocked at your determination to judge other people's callings.

But on the bright side, you are giving us an excellent example of what it looks like when a woman
tries to usurp authority and teach outside of her calling. So thank you for the real-time illustration! 😊

Acts 2 verse 17 (Joel 2 verse 28) ~ In the last days, God says, I will pour out My Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.

 

[Beckworth]

It's sad that you attribute anything with which you don't agree to Satan. This is a discussion board, not a condemnation board. If you don't agree with someone else's viewpoint, you're welcome to say so, but once you cross the line, you become the accuser.

How about you start by explaining why the cultural context of 1 Timothy 2 is irrelevant. Follow up by explaining why Paul was so shocked in 1 Corinthians 14:36. I suspect you can't do either because your worldview simply doesn't allow you to consider those questions.

I am not the accuser—God’s word is. Why do you think they killed God’s prophets of old? Or why did the Jews kill Stephen? Because they did not like the message they brought. You are right; this is a discussion forum; I have expressed why I think we should obey God and listen to what He says. Now, anyone is welcome to disagree and tell me why they think I am wrong. It’s a back and forth discussion. It’s God’s Word you have a problem with. And that’s understandable—God says His word is LIVING and POWERFUL and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing of the soul and Spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and the intents of the heart.”

Have I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth? Gal. 4:16

 

[Dino246]

I am not the accuser—God’s word is. Why do you think they killed God’s prophets of old? Or why did the Jews kill Stephen? Because they did not like the message they brought. You are right; this is a discussion forum; I have expressed why I think we should obey God and listen to what He says. Now, anyone is welcome to disagree and tell me why they think I am wrong. It’s a back and forth discussion. It’s God’s Word you have a problem with. And that’s understandable—God says His word is LIVING and POWERFUL and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing of the soul and Spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and the intents of the heart.”

Have I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth? Gal. 4:16

Wow... self righteous much?

I have already explained why I think your conclusions are wrong. You have not addressed any of my arguments, but instead have dismissed them all with a condemnatory wave of the hand.

I get that you may not have the chops to discuss this matter further, but you could at least choose not to be a jackdonkey about it.

 

[Blain]

I am not the accuser—God’s word is. Why do you think they killed God’s prophets of old? Or why did the Jews kill Stephen? Because they did not like the message they brought. You are right; this is a discussion forum; I have expressed why I think we should obey God and listen to what He says. Now, anyone is welcome to disagree and tell me why they think I am wrong. It’s a back and forth discussion. It’s God’s Word you have a problem with. And that’s understandable—God says His word is LIVING and POWERFUL and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing of the soul and Spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and the intents of the heart.”

Have I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth? Gal. 4:16

Revelation 12:10-12 says: Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down.

 

[Blain]

I do appreciate your desire to teach spiritual things, but “testimonies” is not authority from God for practices or beliefs. The Bible says, if any man speaks, he must speak as the oracles of God.”1 Peter 4:11. And whatever we do in word or deed, we must do it all in the name of the Lord; that means by God’s authority, God has spoken in his word on women preachers. God is not going to tell you to do something that goes against what the Holy Spirit has written. You know who ALWAYS wants us to do the opposite of what God says? Satan. Didn’t he persuade Eve to do the opposite of what God said? God says ( in the Bible) that baptism saves us ( 1 what has Satan done? He has persuaded people to believe that baptism does NOT save us. God has said we are not saved by “faith only”. What has Satan persuaded men to believe? We ARE saved by “faith only.” Satan ALWAYS tells people to do the opposite of what God has said.

Also, in Hebrews 1:1-2 the Holy Spirit has written that IN TIMES PAST, God spoke to people “at various times and in various ways”. He spoke to them directly out loud or in their rear; he spoke to them in DREANS, visions, and prophecy. BUT, in these last days—that is NOW; We are in these last days__NOW. Now, He has spoken to us through His “SON.”—Jesus Christ.

The New Testament is called the “last will and testament of Jesus Christ. I Corinthians 2:16 tells us that we have the mind of Christ in the New Testament. That information coupled with 2 Tim. 3:16 which says that the scriptures are divinely inspired by God, that the Bible is complete and is ALL we need for EVERY GOOD WORK, tells me that God does not speak to us in “dreams”” anymore; or in any of the ways that He did in the past. NOW, He speaks to us through the words of Jesus Christ in the divinely inspired Book of God. Don’t you think Satan would like to get you to ignore what God says and what Jesus says in the Bible?? Of course he does. Don’t be deceived. The Bible is a “sure” thing. Believe it. It is the word of God. I’m telling you, according to Hebrews 1, God did not talk to you in a dream. If He did then He lied—either in the dream or in the Bible. And if the Bible is a book of lies, you are wasting your time preaching it.

Let me tell you a divinely inspired story—not from me, but from God. 1 Kings 13. A man of God was given a mission. He was told by God to go to the city of Bethel and prophecy against King Jerobiam.. God told him he was “NOT to eat bread, nor drink water, nor return by the same way you came.” Verse 9, He did everything God said…until an old prophet came to him and invited him to come home with him and eat. The man of God told him that he could not and he repeated what God said. The old prophet told him that an ANGEL came to him and told him it was alright for the man of God to come home with him and eat. But the Bible says HE LIED! The man of God does not know that the old prophet is lying to him. BUT, he DOES KNOW what God has said to him. He has a choice—to believe what he KNOWS God has said…or believe the old prophet. He decides to believe the old prophet. He takes the word of an angel OVER the word of God.

While he was eating, God spoke through the old prophet and said, “Because you have DISOBEYED the word of the Lord, and have NOT kept the commandment which the Lord your God has commanded you,…your corpse shall not come to the tomb of your fathers.” He was killed by God on his way home and was buried in that land.

This could be you, in this story. You could be the “man of God” who knows what God has said in 1 Cor. 14:34, but is taking the word of a “dream”. Over the word of God. Did you notice that the old prophet told him to do the exact thing “opposite” of what God said? Satan is the father of lies. Abd he will always tell you the opposite of what God says. So if someone in a dream told you to preach, which is the “opposite” of what God has said, then that is NOT God. Someone is lying to you, just like the old prophet lied to the man of God. Don’t listen to something else instead of what God says in 1 Cor. 14:34.

Yes, I can believe that you received many material blessings in the form of gifts and money, etc. because Satan is the ruler of this world.’ 1 John 5:19, and John 12:31. When Satan was tempting Jesus, one of the temptations was that if Jesus would serve him (Satan), he would give Jesus the “kingdoms of the world and their glory. That includes wealth. Satan is fully capable and has promised to reward those who server him ..in THIS life. But that bait has a HOOK! You will pay for it eternally in the next life.

So your testimony may sound wonderful and impress those who don’t know what God has said or how important it is to obey God and not Satan. But, there is a judgement day coming in which we will be judged by the things written in the books ( Revelation 20:12—not by dreams.

To equqte satan to a testimony of redem,ption and salvation is nothing less than heresy, you speak so much about satan and how he is whispering in my ear or in the ears of others unable to see your own folly in this matter. If you have issue with something that is fine disagreeing is part of the process of learning and growing but you need to stoip being so condemning and while you may be versed in his word you do not show the fruits of the spirit thus your understanding of his word is null and void and honestly I think @Dino246 is better suited to debate with you he is far more insightful than I but I know a persons fruits when I see them and I can tell you this much yours is not of God nor do you have the right to judge anyone and no it is not God's word that judges here after all even satan quoted scripture that doesn;t make you any less the accuser of the brothers and sisters in Christ.