Questions about Adam and Eve

[Gideon300]

You said "use violence and murder", so why did you stopped at murder, and ignored violence ?
The correct question should be : Please tell me one person here who has been violent toward someone 🙂



I hope I understand your comment, as human understanding of the holiness of God is limited and shaped by cultural contexts, personal experiences, and religious teachings which can create varied interpretations.

The comparison to cleanliness standards in your lab is a strong one, really interesting. It suggests that even minor infractions are not tolerated in the divine perspective. For me, I don’t think God expects perfection from us, as no one on this earth can be perfect except God. It’s important to recognize that people can strive for goodness in their own ways, even if they don’t meet those exact standards, and God will accept their efforts, including their small sins.




So, the answer is Hell as I expected. 🙂
Again, similarly in Islam, Muslims believe that those who do not believe in Muhammad (peace be upon him) and Islam will go to Hell.

Since you expected the answer, it shows that you have some knowledge of what Christians believe. What is the basis of salvation for Muslims? Believing in a mass murdering paedophile? Sorry, I do not. Mohamed did not die for anyone's sins. He murdered anyone who mocked or opposed him. He used lies and deception to gain power by worldly methods. He was no different from any other dictator, be it Napoleon, Stalin or Hitler. Mohamed claimed supernatural status, that is all.

Christians believe in Jesus, who led no army, started no wars, forgave those who opposed Him, and who died for those who hated Him without cause. Jesus was entirely righteous. No one could bring any charge that could be proven against Him. I choose Jesus over any other human alive or dead. I've proven His love, faithfulness, power, mercy and grace for 50 years now.

Jesus is alive now, ruling and reigning on high. For now, God's mercy tolerates His enemies and those who reject His Son. That mercy will one day turn to judgement. Mohamed can't save you now and will not save you on judgement day. If you want peace in your heart, with God and even yourself, you need Jesus. There is no other name given under heaven that can save you.

 

[Gideon300]

You said "use violence and murder", so why did you stopped at murder, and ignored violence ?
The correct question should be : Please tell me one person here who has been violent toward someone 🙂



I hope I understand your comment, as human understanding of the holiness of God is limited and shaped by cultural contexts, personal experiences, and religious teachings which can create varied interpretations.

The comparison to cleanliness standards in your lab is a strong one, really interesting. It suggests that even minor infractions are not tolerated in the divine perspective. For me, I don’t think God expects perfection from us, as no one on this earth can be perfect except God. It’s important to recognize that people can strive for goodness in their own ways, even if they don’t meet those exact standards, and God will accept their efforts, including their small sins.




So, the answer is Hell as I expected. 🙂
Again, similarly in Islam, Muslims believe that those who do not believe in Muhammad (peace be upon him) and Islam will go to Hell.

If Islam is such a religion of peace, why is it necessary to threaten to kill anyone who departs from Islam? If "allah" is so powerful, how come Israel has prevailed over 22 hostile Muslim nations that surround her? 9 million Israelis have withstood the violence of 150 million plus Muslims. 2 million Arabs, mostly Muslim, live in peace in Israel. How many Jews live in Arab Muslim countries? About 50 in Egypt. There was one in Yemen in 2022. Anywhere else? Not that I know of.

I'll put it simply and bluntly: Islam is what Islam does. If you are happy being Muslim, fine. I do not envy you for a second. But please don't try to deceive others about Islam. It is a religion that Jesus warned would come, attempting to deceive God's elect. Islam offers nothing of worth to anyone, let alone those who know Jesus as Saviour and Lord.

 

[Bataal]

Since you expected the answer, it shows that you have some knowledge of what Christians believe.

Appreciate your informative answer.

 

[Bataal]

Since you expected the answer, it shows that you have some knowledge of what Christians believe.

I have gained some knowledge about Christianity since I began my journey here to seek answers to my questions. I will continue my search until I find a sense of understanding and logic in the answers.
You know what, I have gained even more knowledge about Islam during this journey 😁

What is the basis of salvation for Muslims?

Good question, but I don't believe salvation in Islam is the same as in Christianity. I think salvation is granted by God's mercy in Islam. A Muslim commits to certain beliefs that guide their faith and actions toward achieving salvation in the afterlife. Beliefs such as : belief in the oneness of God, the prophets, the scriptures, the angels, the Day of Judgment, and divine predestination - good deeds and rightouse actions - sincerely repenting for sins and seeking forgiveness from God - The five pillars of Islam..etc

Believing in a mass murdering paedophile? Sorry, I do not. Mohamed did not die for anyone's sins. He murdered anyone who mocked or opposed him. He used lies and deception to gain power by worldly methods. He was no different from any other dictator, be it Napoleon, Stalin or Hitler. Mohamed claimed supernatural status, that is all.

That indicates you have not a clear understanding of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) or might have received misinformation from unreliable and biased sources. It is quite funny what you have said.

Jesus is alive now, ruling and reigning on high. For now, God's mercy tolerates His enemies and those who reject His Son. That mercy will one day turn to judgement. Mohamed can't save you now and will not save you on judgement day. If you want peace in your heart, with God and even yourself, you need Jesus. There is no other name given under heaven that can save you.

There is a similarity in Islam regarding the belief that Jesus is alive now, really interesting.

Christians believe in Jesus, who led no army, started no wars, forgave those who opposed Him, and who died for those who hated Him without cause. Jesus was entirely righteous. No one could bring any charge that could be proven against Him. I choose Jesus over any other human alive or dead. I've proven His love, faithfulness, power, mercy and grace for 50 years now.

It is interesting to hear about your 50 years of faith.
I'll see, I think there is a reason I found my way to this site, and I hope I will uncover valuable insights that will help address my questions and inquiries.

 

[Gideon300]

I have gained some knowledge about Christianity since I began my journey here to seek answers to my questions. I will continue my search until I find a sense of understanding and logic in the answers.
You know what, I have gained even more knowledge about Islam during this journey 😁




Good question, but I don't believe salvation in Islam is the same as in Christianity. I think salvation is granted by God's mercy in Islam. A Muslim commits to certain beliefs that guide their faith and actions toward achieving salvation in the afterlife. Beliefs such as : belief in the oneness of God, the prophets, the scriptures, the angels, the Day of Judgment, and divine predestination - good deeds and rightouse actions - sincerely repenting for sins and seeking forgiveness from God - The five pillars of Islam..etc




That indicates you have not a clear understanding of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) or might have received misinformation from unreliable and biased sources. It is quite funny what you have said.



There is a similarity in Islam regarding the belief that Jesus is alive now, really interesting.




It is interesting to hear about your 50 years of faith.
I'll see, I think there is a reason I found my way to this site, and I hope I will uncover valuable insights that will help address my questions and inquiries.

I have gained some knowledge about Christianity since I began my journey here to seek answers to my questions. I will continue my search until I find a sense of understanding and logic in the answers.
You know what, I have gained even more knowledge about Islam during this journey 😁




Good question, but I don't believe salvation in Islam is the same as in Christianity. I think salvation is granted by God's mercy in Islam. A Muslim commits to certain beliefs that guide their faith and actions toward achieving salvation in the afterlife. Beliefs such as : belief in the oneness of God, the prophets, the scriptures, the angels, the Day of Judgment, and divine predestination - good deeds and rightouse actions - sincerely repenting for sins and seeking forgiveness from God - The five pillars of Islam..etc




That indicates you have not a clear understanding of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) or might have received misinformation from unreliable and biased sources. It is quite funny what you have said.



There is a similarity in Islam regarding the belief that Jesus is alive now, really interesting.




It is interesting to hear about your 50 years of faith.
I'll see, I think there is a reason I found my way to this site, and I hope I will uncover valuable insights that will help address my questions and inquiries.

According to Muslims, as reported by a number of sources, including Islamic, Mohamed is the "ideal man". He apparently is the role model for Islam. How do Muslims behave now? Pakistan and most other Muslim nations have blasphemy laws. The penalty is death. I do not accept Mohamed as a prophet of God. If I said that publicly in Afghanistan or most other Muslim nations, I would be killed. Billions of people do not accept Jesus as the Son of God. They can say so without fear of being murdered.

Iraq has lowered the age of consent to 9, based on Mohamed's sexual relations with his wife who he married when she was 6. I won't go on, although I could.

As to forgiveness, sin is a debt that we owe God. The price of that debt is death. God's justice demands that the penalty be paid. Humanity hates to see the guilty walk free. God is perfect in all His judgements and no one just walks free on God's whim.

However, in a human court, there is a way for the guilty to be free. If someone else pays the debt, the guilty one can go free. However, the one who pays must have sufficient resources. Who can provide a good enough death? All sinners are dead already, so they are in that sense bankrupt. Only one Man ever was innocent and therefore able to pay the debt such that God was satisfied. That man is Jesus. He offered Himself as the propitiation for all the sins of all mankind. John the Baptist said, "Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world." Isaiah, chapter 53, foretold the sacrifice that Jesus would make hundreds of years later.

That is the difference between Christianity and every other religion.

 

[Karlon]

That is accurate, although the command was given to Adam before Eve was made from Adam. Just clarifying that since it is not clear in the text who informed Eve, and she did add to what God had said to Adam when she was recounting to the serpent what God had commanded. Their expulsion from the Garden of Eden was to prevent them from eating from the Tree of Life, though Jesus, Who had the keys to life and death, was promised in Genesis 3:15 which is called the Protoevangelium. Also, some claim Adam and Eve ate from the Tree of Life before their expulsion, but that is nowhere in the text, and a proper reading of Scripture does not inform of of this, quite the contrary. Also some say the lie Satan told was that they would become like God to know good and evil, but God agreed with that assessment. The lie Satan told was that they would not surely die. That lie is repeated to this very day.

Genesis 2:17

this is correct. i absolutely love this color choice!!!!!!

 

[Bataal]

If Islam is such a religion of peace, why is it necessary to threaten to kill anyone who departs from Islam?

Really interesting 🙂
While I'm not here to discuss the points you have raised as I'm on a different journey seeking peace and clarity, you've sparked my curiosity and encouraged me to consider your question from a new perspective.

If Christianity is such a religion of truth, can you tell me why do all Christian countries implement punitive measures, such as imprisoning thieves and killers, when the Bible & Christ himself emphasize forgiveness and repentance rather than such actions? Why do these nations act in ways that contrary to the teachings of their faith?

Let us delve deeper, what if both your question and mine came from human interpretations and complexities surrounding religion, rather than the original messages of the prophets or messengers? this complexity may be an unnecessary aspect found in every religion. Could this concept hold some truth?

If "allah" is so powerful, how come Israel has prevailed over 22 hostile Muslim nations that surround her? 9 million Israelis have withstood the violence of 150 million plus Muslims.

if "God" is so powerful, how come He allow his son Christ to be crucified and killed by his enemies? How come He allow His enemies to kill other prophets/messengers? How come He allow the challenges and suffering that many prophets/messengers faced while delivering their messages to their communities?

You know what, the interesting part of your statement about Israel leads me to expect that you are agree with the massacre and Genocide being carried out in Gaza by Israeli occupation. Is my expectation correct? 😅

But please don't try to deceive others about Islam.

I don't know why you say that.
Just look back at my posts on this site, you'll see that I've clearly stated I'm seeking answers to gain a better understanding of Christianity. I notice that you and others often pose questions that seem to criticize Islam in bad way, while I have never asked anything that disrespects your religion or Christ. Your unrelated questions compel me to respond, which diverts me from my main purpose/journey here.

 

[Bataal]

I'll back to you my dear Magenta

They are driving me away from my journey of questions with you.