TEMPTING or TRUSTING?

[p_rehbein]

Any here who live in Texas or Oklahoma are certainly aware of the destruction hail can do to everything.

The most common destruction is to homes and cars. Here, at my place, for the last ten weeks we have had severe storms about five of every seven days, and the warning has always been for destructive hail, as well as strong winds and possible tornadoes.

I found a way to hail proof my front windshield and back window. That does not mean I do not pray for God to protect me and mine, for I surely do. Sometimes, though, I wonder if I am tempting God by protecting my car, or trusting that He gave me the idea and that by doing "my part," He will be faithful to do His.

It just seems like rather than sit in my apartment and say: "Well, Lord, I trust You will not let hail damage my car and break my windows," I should do my part and He will do His. I base this idea on Scripture found in Matthew:

Chapter 6:


12And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

13And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

14For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

15But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

He clearly states if we do not do our part, God will not do His.

Do you agree that we need to do what we can?

 

[Eli1]

We absolutely need to do what we can!

This is evident throughout the Bible and it doesn’t get any more clearer especially in the beginning of our story when Adam and Eve were in the sinless state IN the presence of God.

He asked them to do things and take care of the animals and to name them and to NOT eat from that tree.

So when we’re faced with natural disasters, health issues, poverty, unable to put food on the table , war and hopelessness, we absolutely need to ask God for help so He can guide us to do our part according to His will and wisdom and highest good in what we ask.

Think about it.
If God did everything we’d be bored and lazy.

Even when God was in the midst of Adam and Eve HE didn’t do everything for them and gave them jobs/tasks/commands to do!

Prayer is there to sustain you and sometimes God does miracles according to His will to show us who He is and that He hasn’t abandoned us.
He does a miracle on top of the other miracle of creation.
Double grace!

He has done 3 miracles for me and because of that, death has lost its meaning to me and He gave me even more joy and energy to deal with an incredible difficult daily journey I have to do which I probably wouldn’t have done if He didn’t grace me with a miracle.

So now I’m doing my part to help the family and God did his part in guiding and gracing me.

This is why Christ says the kingdom of God is in you and begins here and now .

I also think that based on the amount of faith that one has in God, the greater the miracles are that he can do for others.
Because you have no need for them yourself anymore.
You want to help some other hopeless person.

That’s why Christ says with a faith as small as a mustard seed you can move a mountain!
This means that we don’t even have unshakable faith as small as a mustard seed!

And if we did, we wouldn’t move a mountain just for fun or to amuse ourselves, but to glorify God and to help a hopeless person or situation.

Moses parted the seas to glorify God and to help people not for any other reason.

 

[tourist]

I believe that we absolutely need to do what we can do with the time, tools and resource that God provides. That is where wisdom comes into play. I will pray that the storms do no harm to you, your car and anything else that you value.

 

[TabinRivCA]

Ditto everybody's comments and I would even ask our most merciful God to keep the damaging hail and fierce storms away from your area. It has worked for other believers like John and Lisa Bevere and God did give us authority over this world. Yes it's smart to protect your car, it will add to your faith🙏✝✡🙌🙌🙌

 

[Gideon300]

Any here who live in Texas or Oklahoma are certainly aware of the destruction hail can do to everything.

The most common destruction is to homes and cars. Here, at my place, for the last ten weeks we have had severe storms about five of every seven days, and the warning has always been for destructive hail, as well as strong winds and possible tornadoes.

I found a way to hail proof my front windshield and back window. That does not mean I do not pray for God to protect me and mine, for I surely do. Sometimes, though, I wonder if I am tempting God by protecting my car, or trusting that He gave me the idea and that by doing "my part," He will be faithful to do His.

It just seems like rather than sit in my apartment and say: "Well, Lord, I trust You will not let hail damage my car and break my windows," I should do my part and He will do His. I base this idea on Scripture found in Matthew:

Chapter 6:


12And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

13And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

14For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

15But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

He clearly states if we do not do our part, God will not do His.

Do you agree that we need to do what we can?

Yes. God gave us a brain to use. Who deliberately leaves doors unlocked these days? I won't leave my car unlocked even when I go to pay for my petrol. There is a great difference between faith and presumption. It's common sense, or perhaps we should say, "uncommon sense" these days. There's not much about anymore.

 

[homwardbound]

Any here who live in Texas or Oklahoma are certainly aware of the destruction hail can do to everything.

The most common destruction is to homes and cars. Here, at my place, for the last ten weeks we have had severe storms about five of every seven days, and the warning has always been for destructive hail, as well as strong winds and possible tornadoes.

I found a way to hail proof my front windshield and back window. That does not mean I do not pray for God to protect me and mine, for I surely do. Sometimes, though, I wonder if I am tempting God by protecting my car, or trusting that He gave me the idea and that by doing "my part," He will be faithful to do His.

It just seems like rather than sit in my apartment and say: "Well, Lord, I trust You will not let hail damage my car and break my windows," I should do my part and He will do His. I base this idea on Scripture found in Matthew:

Chapter 6:


12And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

13And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

14For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

15But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

He clearly states if we do not do our part, God will not do His.

Do you agree that we need to do what we can?

You do see, realize, this was before the cross of Jesus. This was under Law and was about to be fulfilled in the risen Son, Jesus for us to be made new in love and mercy, a gift from God Father, through Son, for us all?
Daddy, Father, PaPa, waiting patiently for each to see it is done John 19:30, we are reconciled 2 Corinthians 5:17-20 for us to say thank you to Father for Son as the way, the truth, the new life in his risen Life given us to love all as all are called to do in response to God's Love given us first through Son for us all.
1 John 4:19
We love him, because he first loved us.

So, after the cross in the risen Son given us, does one, not forgive others? whoever does not might misunderstand the mystery of God, I or anyone else that does not see this truth after the resurrected Son for them, might need to go to God in God's Spirit and Truth and ask to hear truth over the error here on earth still here, getting people to work for salvation. I, myself am not capable of perfection, anyone else? That is why what is done by Son for us all is done Hebrews 10:1-10

 

[homwardbound]

Any here who live in Texas or Oklahoma are certainly aware of the destruction hail can do to everything.

The most common destruction is to homes and cars. Here, at my place, for the last ten weeks we have had severe storms about five of every seven days, and the warning has always been for destructive hail, as well as strong winds and possible tornadoes.

I found a way to hail proof my front windshield and back window. That does not mean I do not pray for God to protect me and mine, for I surely do. Sometimes, though, I wonder if I am tempting God by protecting my car, or trusting that He gave me the idea and that by doing "my part," He will be faithful to do His.

It just seems like rather than sit in my apartment and say: "Well, Lord, I trust You will not let hail damage my car and break my windows," I should do my part and He will do His. I base this idea on Scripture found in Matthew:

Chapter 6:


12And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

13And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

14For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

15But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

He clearly states if we do not do our part, God will not do His.

Do you agree that we need to do what we can?

I am standing In trust to God I tis done to respond to in thanksgiving and praise only
Col 1:21-23

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Do you agree that we need to do what we can?

seems to me you're being a good steward over that which you are blessed to own.

also, even though you found a "good way to hail proof your front windshield and back window" ... you still pray to God ... which, to me, appears to be you acknowledging that what you have done is inadequate and it is God Who keeps all safe and sound.

just my 2¢ ...

p.s. praying you and yours are in safekeeping under His wing (Psalm 91) ...
.

 

[p_rehbein]

You do see, realize, this was before the cross of Jesus. This was under Law and was about to be fulfilled in the risen Son, Jesus for us to be made new in love and mercy, a gift from God Father, through Son, for us all?
Daddy, Father, PaPa, waiting patiently for each to see it is done John 19:30, we are reconciled 2 Corinthians 5:17-20 for us to say thank you to Father for Son as the way, the truth, the new life in his risen Life given us to love all as all are called to do in response to God's Love given us first through Son for us all.
1 John 4:19
We love him, because he first loved us.

So, after the cross in the risen Son given us, does one, not forgive others? whoever does not might misunderstand the mystery of God, I or anyone else that does not see this truth after the resurrected Son for them, might need to go to God in God's Spirit and Truth and ask to hear truth over the error here on earth still here, getting people to work for salvation. I, myself am not capable of perfection, anyone else? That is why what is done by Son for us all is done Hebrews 10:1-10

We agree on so much, and I do not want to misunderstand what you are saying here, I need to ask "Do you believe the Lords Prayer is still for the Church today?"

I do. Because the Gospel Jesus preached was to the Jew first, and then the Gentile. His Gospel was the Gospel of the Church. His Church, of whom we that believe are members of. Thus, every word of His Gospel is for you, me, the Church. The Apostle Paul said he taught THE Gospel of Jesus when he preached to the Jews AND the Gentiles. I do not believe in the "Two Gospel" ideology, and never will.

 

[homwardbound]

We agree on so much, and I do not want to misunderstand what you are saying here, I need to ask "Do you believe the Lords Prayer is still for the Church today?"

I do. Because the Gospel Jesus preached was to the Jew first, and then the Gentile. His Gospel was the Gospel of the Church. His Church, of whom we that believe are members of. Thus, every word of His Gospel is for you, me, the Church. The Apostle Paul said he taught THE Gospel of Jesus when he preached to the Jews AND the Gentiles. I do not believe in the "Two Gospel" ideology, and never will.

there is a before the cross and an after the cross

Before the cross, under Law to do to get, to be given or won't get. Too busy being a better person than others as in Luke 18:9-14 explains to me forgiveness justifies us, God did it. I responded to this done work of Son in Thanksgiving and praise, seeing by Son all sin taken away Psalm 103:12 by Son it is done John 19:30. Under Law exterminated, Now by Faith we can see new in love and mercy to all, the same love and mercy given us first, at least me.
Jesus, when he came here to earth by Woman, Mary from the tribe of Judah as perfect, not born of man, yet born of woman. Came here as one of us in the flesh, to reconcile us all as reconciled, forgiven. That is done by Son on the cross. He is now risen, we are 100% forgiven by Father, through that last sacrifice, that took away all sin from daddy's sight for the people, all people, that is done by God who Won (One), then each person learns new and agrees with PaPa, Father, Daddy in love to all, including those that have done them wrong.
Under Law, one has to forgive to be forgiven, love to be loved
After the cross, in the risen Son, once one sees this from Daddy, PaPa, Father given them and agree, believe and are learning new daily seeing automatically to love and forgive, because by God they are loved and forgiven first. we love because God first loved us.
If, I am trying to forgive, then I misunderstand the mystery now fulfilled in the risen Son for me, and am under stress trying to do what no other flesh can do, reread the first testament, where the first chosen could not do it either. Now, love all is the fulfillment of all Law, in response to God's done work of Son for us all, at least me
Again, a before the cross under Law.
After the cross in the risen Son made brand new by God and one does love and mercy for all sincerely, at least for me. yes even those that have stole from me and have harmed me, even beaten me up, are forgiven too, wow, how? by God's done work, otherwise, no way, for me at least. God wants to redeem us all, y'all. Love beyond understanding does that, thank you
And the true Church is not Church. It is the Ecclesia. Church from Greek is building. Ecclesia from Greek is "The Called out ones"
And so, read Hebrews 8 about reality the true Ecclesia is Father God, the Holy Spirit living in and through any willing vessel for God's Love and mercy to us all through the cross, the death had to happen first for the reconciliation. Then the resurrection where new life starts
Jesus fulfilled the Law for us to walk new in love and mercy not try to do it too, Thank you
Time to be transformed by God, it takes one phone call between God and you personally, thank you

 

[Pilgrimshope]

We agree on so much, and I do not want to misunderstand what you are saying here, I need to ask "Do you believe the Lords Prayer is still for the Church today?"

I do. Because the Gospel Jesus preached was to the Jew first, and then the Gentile. His Gospel was the Gospel of the Church. His Church, of whom we that believe are members of. Thus, every word of His Gospel is for you, me, the Church. The Apostle Paul said he taught THE Gospel of Jesus when he preached to the Jews AND the Gentiles. I do not believe in the "Two Gospel" ideology, and never will.

amen theres just the one gospel of Jesus Christ

 

[tourist]

We agree on so much, and I do not want to misunderstand what you are saying here, I need to ask "Do you believe the Lords Prayer is still for the Church today?"

I do. Because the Gospel Jesus preached was to the Jew first, and then the Gentile. His Gospel was the Gospel of the Church. His Church, of whom we that believe are members of. Thus, every word of His Gospel is for you, me, the Church. The Apostle Paul said he taught THE Gospel of Jesus when he preached to the Jews AND the Gentiles. I do not believe in the "Two Gospel" ideology, and never will.

I say the Lord's Prayer each morning. Good way to start off the day on a positive spiritual note.

 

[p_rehbein]

And the true Church is not Church. It is the Ecclesia. Church from Greek is building. Ecclesia from Greek is "The Called out ones"
And so, read Hebrews 8 about reality the true Ecclesia is Father God, the Holy Spirit living in and through any willing vessel for God's Love and mercy to us all through the cross, the death had to happen first for the reconciliation. Then the resurrection where new life starts
Jesus fulfilled the Law for us to walk new in love and mercy not try to do it too, Thank you
Time to be transformed by God, it takes one phone call between God and you personally, thank you

That being my point. ALL who believe in Jesus unto salvation become Heirs to the Promise through adoption. We of the Church are Jews by adoption, for it is to Gods chosen people, the Jews, that the Promise was given. Thus, the Gospel Jesus preached to the Jews first applies to His Church today. For His Church today are the "New Jerusalem" spoken of in Scripture.

As for those before the death, burial and resurrection, they received salvation through their faith! Read Hebrews, Chapter 11 to see this. They never saw Jesus, yet, because of their faith, they were saved and reside in Heaven with God this day. All the Jews who heard Jesus preach, and believed on Him became part of the Church through faith. They did not die in sin and unbelief, for Jesus Himself said "Whosoever believeth in me shall not perish but have everlasting life." All the thousands that became believers in Jesus during the time of His ministry here on earth became Heirs to the Promise through their faith.

Revelation, Chapter 21:

1And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

 

[Blade]

Any here who live in Texas or Oklahoma are certainly aware of the destruction hail can do to everything.

The most common destruction is to homes and cars. Here, at my place, for the last ten weeks we have had severe storms about five of every seven days, and the warning has always been for destructive hail, as well as strong winds and possible tornadoes.

I found a way to hail proof my front windshield and back window. That does not mean I do not pray for God to protect me and mine, for I surely do. Sometimes, though, I wonder if I am tempting God by protecting my car, or trusting that He gave me the idea and that by doing "my part," He will be faithful to do His.

It just seems like rather than sit in my apartment and say: "Well, Lord, I trust You will not let hail damage my car and break my windows," I should do my part and He will do His. I base this idea on Scripture found in Matthew:

Chapter 6:


12And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

13And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

14For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

15But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

He clearly states if we do not do our part, God will not do His.

Do you agree that we need to do what we can?

There was meeting one night at a certain Church and the preacher asked everybody to bring up give away the things that thy put before the lord. So this young man go up right away and said later got so fast he didn't want doubt to catch up. But he went to his apartment building to get his bike. He loved that bike it never saw rain. The moment he got out side it was raining. But he gave up it. The preacher duh let people take back if they didn't put it before the lord.

A preacher road his motor cycle to far and it ran out of gas. He was praying to the lord for help. The lord said "put water in the tank". At first he questioned this but he did it and he just knew GOD turned that water in to gas haha. But if you know bikes you know all the water did was push the gas up so he had enough to get home. Or the preacher where the male witch said to him "what can your God do?" Duh we know GOD will show this witch who has the power right? At first God said nothing the preacher said please lord say something and God did "don't put me to some stupid test".

First what many don't understand is GOD is for you not against you. He said OT delight your self in the lord he will give you the desires of your heart. Many even me years ago just stopped there. The next verse 5 "Commit your way to the LORD; Trust in Him also and He will do it.". Some preachers in some other country. Missionaries I think. Well they all had to go back to the motel but they saw all the soliders there. One was praying telling the lord if we go in there they will take us and kill us. The lord said "go in". Would you? So they did.. they could not understand why no solider did anything it was as if they didn't see them. One preacher looks back and sees two rows of angels and they didn't even know they walked between them.

Then we don't even think so many of these "ideas" came from? yeah Him. Yeah .. no water into gas.. no that water will push up the gas. But we cannot dismiss "all things are possible to them that believe". Faith.. its His word not mine.. we walk by faith we live by faith yet we still walk by what we see what we hear.. at least I do at times. Thanks.. loved this

 

[Suze]

Any here who live in Texas or Oklahoma are certainly aware of the destruction hail can do to everything.

The most common destruction is to homes and cars. Here, at my place, for the last ten weeks we have had severe storms about five of every seven days, and the warning has always been for destructive hail, as well as strong winds and possible tornadoes.

I found a way to hail proof my front windshield and back window. That does not mean I do not pray for God to protect me and mine, for I surely do. Sometimes, though, I wonder if I am tempting God by protecting my car, or trusting that He gave me the idea and that by doing "my part," He will be faithful to do His.

It just seems like rather than sit in my apartment and say: "Well, Lord, I trust You will not let hail damage my car and break my windows," I should do my part and He will do His. I base this idea on Scripture found in Matthew:

Chapter 6:


12And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

13And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

14For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

15But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

He clearly states if we do not do our part, God will not do His.

Do you agree that we need to do what we can?

Yes ! I understand your struggle with this concept . I know many Christians who do not ever consult doctors and I truly admire them for that . When I found a lump , my first reaction was to pray and then immediately go to the doctor's . Every good thing comes from God , that includes modern medicine and the little ideas , that we all get , that solve our problems , wether its a lump or a car windshield . If we get the idea to mug someone or rob a bank or punch someone in the face ? No , that's not from God is it ? Trust in Christ to lead u in the path of righteousness , if u need help , practical or spiritual , he will show u the way . I'm not the world's cleverest person , but many times I've prayed for guidance and help , sometimes for little annoying things that r bugging me and I don't know how to fix them and I have received help .
Also , sometimes I have prayed for things that I didn't think that I could sort , so I've asked God to intervene and do something that I thought I wasn't able to do and , I've received the answer : you do it . Those three words , loud and clear : you do it . Now if God says that to me , then I suddenly believe that I can do it ! God told me to do it so He must know that I can do it ! He knows me better than I know me and He knows the outcome of everything , so when He says to me : you do it , I suddenly know that , I can do it ! If God is for us , nothing or no-one can stand against us ❤️ . From big important things to the niggly annoyances , He will help ! Thanks to God for His love and interventions in our lives , every day ❤️ .

 

[homwardbound]

I say the Lord's Prayer each morning. Good way to start off the day on a positive spiritual note.

I say this too, now in the present, Thank you Lord for taking away sin by Son for me too. Now I am about to go out in to the world today and do my Job. I trust you to lead me in love and mercy, thank you.
It's a past tense prayer, it is done in thanksgiving and praise, all sin now taken out of the way and is as far as the east is from the west
Psalm 103:12, Psalm 100:4, John 19:30, John 1:29, A new heart offered in the risen Son Ezekiel 36:26, time to believe, see and be new in love to all, with the mercy Jesus revealed, Forgiven them Father, they know not what they do, wow woe is me Isaiah 6:1-7
We are in a new covenant of love to all
Hebrews 7:11-12

 

[homwardbound]

That being my point. ALL who believe in Jesus unto salvation become Heirs to the Promise through adoption. We of the Church are Jews by adoption, for it is to Gods chosen people, the Jews, that the Promise was given. Thus, the Gospel Jesus preached to the Jews first applies to His Church today. For His Church today are the "New Jerusalem" spoken of in Scripture.

As for those before the death, burial and resurrection, they received salvation through their faith! Read Hebrews, Chapter 11 to see this. They never saw Jesus, yet, because of their faith, they were saved and reside in Heaven with God this day. All the Jews who heard Jesus preach, and believed on Him became part of the Church through faith. They did not die in sin and unbelief, for Jesus Himself said "Whosoever believeth in me shall not perish but have everlasting life." All the thousands that became believers in Jesus during the time of His ministry here on earth became Heirs to the Promise through their faith.

Revelation, Chapter 21:

1And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Without Law, the Gentiles were given salvation. Peter saw it happen to the house of Gentiles, Cornelius's house. Peter went to the others, the next Chapter in Acts and told them what he saw happen, without any rituals. They, I think did not believe Peter, James especially, and is why he went to Galatia to spy out this freedom Peter spoke of. For the disciples, were mixing Law and grace, as Peter did and then saw not to do that anymore, yet fear interrupted him as did before the crucifixion, and denied Jesus three times, so still fear in him, he removed himself from eating with the Gentiles, when James and others came there, to spy out this freedom. Paul then rebuked Peter in front of the other Gentiles there. Peter, I bet angry at that time, finally saw Paul was correct and said so in Peter 3 at the end of that third letter.
As we all go through fear of some sort as well as pride and guilt also, made to be that in us from religion to me anyways. God remaining with us all faithful (people not so), no matter how anyone mucks it up. God ready to teach us truth over error, and we to see the freedom in Col 2 for us to stand in Love and mercy given us form God Father through Son to all and not fight back in flesh ever, yet we do that until we, at least me learn new to not fight back in flesh nature? Love all is the call, even those that do us wrong, What? How? That his what God's love does is teach us each personally how, at least me so far, and many others also
Amazing freedom, to see to trust God as in Luke 21:14-15, at least begin to learn to and not be prideful when learn to or have guilt anymore either, thank you Father