Loss of salvation???
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That is my point, after the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, so are we. The water is used to identify us as one of His, and to proclaim to our community and the world that we have been raised from death to life.
John the Baptist says, “I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I… He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire”
John the Baptist says, “I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I… He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire”
So your saying that after this happens to us,
Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Then the message they gave next has no importance?
Acts 2:38-39
King James Version
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Then the message they gave next has no importance?
Acts 2:38-39
King James Version
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
One of the best examples of Salvation I think is the passage in Exodus where the Israelites are instructed to put blood on the doorposts:
The blood will be a sign for you on the houses where you are, and when I see the blood, I will pass over you. No destructive plague will touch you when I strike Egypt. (Exodus 12:13)
The only criteria for salvation was the presence or absence of the blood on the door post. Nothing else counted.
The only criteria for our Salvation is the blood of Jesus. Nothing more, nothing less.
God Bless All
The blood will be a sign for you on the houses where you are, and when I see the blood, I will pass over you. No destructive plague will touch you when I strike Egypt. (Exodus 12:13)
The only criteria for salvation was the presence or absence of the blood on the door post. Nothing else counted.
The only criteria for our Salvation is the blood of Jesus. Nothing more, nothing less.
God Bless All
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not with water...
and there is only one faith, one baptism ((Ephesians 4:5))
the thread topic is security of salvation:
is the baptism with which Christ baptizes His sons and daughters, effective?
((Ephesians 1:13, Matthew 3:11))
or is it like the blood of bulls and goats ((Hebrews 10:4)) - unable to truly save?
((1 Corinthians 5:7))
and there is only one faith, one baptism ((Ephesians 4:5))
the thread topic is security of salvation:
is the baptism with which Christ baptizes His sons and daughters, effective?
((Ephesians 1:13, Matthew 3:11))
or is it like the blood of bulls and goats ((Hebrews 10:4)) - unable to truly save?
((1 Corinthians 5:7))
and you feel you are sent to preach baptism instead of Christ, to people who are already baptized?
i am not so sure you weren't drawn here to be corrected rather than to correct others, to say 'ouch' yourself rather than to cause others pain.
you say you had faith as a child and were baptized at an early age, then some 35 years or more later, a man convinced you that your existing faith and baptism were worthless - - and sent you on your current campaign to hold water above the effective work of God.
if, as you say, your first baptism was worthless - what prevents you from later deciding your second was also worthless?
i am not so sure you weren't drawn here to be corrected rather than to correct others, to say 'ouch' yourself rather than to cause others pain.
you say you had faith as a child and were baptized at an early age, then some 35 years or more later, a man convinced you that your existing faith and baptism were worthless - - and sent you on your current campaign to hold water above the effective work of God.
if, as you say, your first baptism was worthless - what prevents you from later deciding your second was also worthless?
1 Corinthians 13:8
whether there are tongues, they will cease
Matthew 12:39
An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.
Isaiah 30:15
In quietness and confidence shall be your strength.
But you would not
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One of the best examples of Salvation I think is the passage in Exodus where the Israelites are instructed to put blood on the doorposts:
The blood will be a sign for you on the houses where you are, and when I see the blood, I will pass over you. No destructive plague will touch you when I strike Egypt. (Exodus 12:13)
The only criteria for salvation was the presence or absence of the blood on the door post. Nothing else counted.
The only criteria for our Salvation is the blood of Jesus. Nothing more, nothing less.
God Bless All
The blood will be a sign for you on the houses where you are, and when I see the blood, I will pass over you. No destructive plague will touch you when I strike Egypt. (Exodus 12:13)
The only criteria for salvation was the presence or absence of the blood on the door post. Nothing else counted.
The only criteria for our Salvation is the blood of Jesus. Nothing more, nothing less.
God Bless All
how about the serpent in the wilderness, when all they had to do, whether near or far, was look towards it? ((Numbers 21))
Christ says His salvation is exactly like it:
John 3:14-15
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life.
@Ouch BTW Jesus says this in the context of answering Nicodemus's question, "how can a man be reborn?" ((John 3:4,9))-
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the fact that i am the one who pointed out that Paul did in fact baptize people is a pretty good indication that i noticed Paul did in fact baptize people.
why would he take the Lords supper?
does eating bread and drinking wine give one eternal life?
we do these things because Christ told us we should do them - not because by them we have life. by Christ we have life, therefore we live.
why would he take the Lords supper?
does eating bread and drinking wine give one eternal life?
we do these things because Christ told us we should do them - not because by them we have life. by Christ we have life, therefore we live.
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to understand baptism, we really have to take every mention of water and washing in all the Scriptures, put them next to each other, and look for how they together form a portrait that testifies of Christ.
.. and that will just be a beginning. the Bible, the council of God, isn't 'simple' - - it's deeper than any of us can imagine
.. and that will just be a beginning. the Bible, the council of God, isn't 'simple' - - it's deeper than any of us can imagine
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One of the best examples of Salvation I think is the passage in Exodus where the Israelites are instructed to put blood on the doorposts:
The blood will be a sign for you on the houses where you are, and when I see the blood, I will pass over you. No destructive plague will touch you when I strike Egypt. (Exodus 12:13)
The only criteria for salvation was the presence or absence of the blood on the door post. Nothing else counted.
The only criteria for our Salvation is the blood of Jesus. Nothing more, nothing less.
God Bless All
The blood will be a sign for you on the houses where you are, and when I see the blood, I will pass over you. No destructive plague will touch you when I strike Egypt. (Exodus 12:13)
The only criteria for salvation was the presence or absence of the blood on the door post. Nothing else counted.
The only criteria for our Salvation is the blood of Jesus. Nothing more, nothing less.
God Bless All
You do know your saying that NOTHING is required of us to be reborn so EVERYONE is Heaven bound right.
Then why did JESUS say the path to HELL is broad and wide and the path to Heaven is narrow???
Satan's best plan keep them out of the water!!
If they do go in the water keep JESUS name out of it.
So do you think EVERYONE is going to Heaven? If not why?
Sipsey
If Everything in the Bible scripture is True, then why so many translations? Why so many various ideas of what is being taught in IT?
Undoubtably The Bibe contains much truth. However, man has cause there to be MANY TRANSLATIONS which are at odds with each Other.
To This One; The best guide is to pray for correct understanding of These writings. Let The Spirit of The Elohim guide Oneself.
Indeed, people who have studied and been given understanding by The Spirit of The Elohim, can be a Big Help.
Deepseeker
If Everything in the Bible scripture is True, then why so many translations? Why so many various ideas of what is being taught in IT?
Undoubtably The Bibe contains much truth. However, man has cause there to be MANY TRANSLATIONS which are at odds with each Other.
To This One; The best guide is to pray for correct understanding of These writings. Let The Spirit of The Elohim guide Oneself.
Indeed, people who have studied and been given understanding by The Spirit of The Elohim, can be a Big Help.
Deepseeker
AMEN,
Revelation 22:18-19
King James Version
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Acts 1:2 Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:
We need his spirit.
As we can see if anyone alterls HIS words what will happen to them.
Why so many different translation and denomations? MEN get involve and don't his word the way it is.
So if you reading a different translation who are you listening to? The man who put his twist on it!! It's no long HIS WORD.
Revelation 22:18-19
King James Version
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Acts 1:2 Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:
We need his spirit.
As we can see if anyone alterls HIS words what will happen to them.
Why so many different translation and denomations? MEN get involve and don't his word the way it is.
So if you reading a different translation who are you listening to? The man who put his twist on it!! It's no long HIS WORD.