Who is Jesus Christ in this verse and why they call him The Everlasting Father?

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There is only ONE GOD.
I like letting his word do the talking.

Isaiah 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

John 1:1 plus 10-12
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days ((( I will raise it up.)))

Look here, JESUS speaking to Nicodemus. JESUS is ON the earth and he is also in Heaven!!
John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Verses that JESUS spoke and those that GOD spoke.
JESUS IS COMING
1 Thess 3:11-13, Matthew 25:31-46, Titus 2:11-13
GOD IS COMING
Zechariah 14:4,5, 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, Revelation 19:11, 16

JESUS THE CREATOR
John 1:10, 1 cor 8:6, Ephesians 3:9, Col. 1:12-17, Hebrews 1:8-12, Revelation 4:8-11, 10:6, 14:6-7, 21:5-7, 22:3.
GOD THE CREATOR
Genesis 1:1, 2:7, Job 33:4, Psalm 33:6, 104:30, I sa 40:28, 44:24, 45:11-18, Mal 2:10

JESUS THE ROCK
1 Thess 3:11-13, Matt 25:31-46, Titus 2:11-13
GOD THE ROCK
Deut 32:1-4, 2 Samuel 22:1-3, 22:32, Psalm 18:2, 31:3, 78:34-35, 89:26, Isaiah 17:10-11

JESUS THE REDEEMER AND SAVIOR
1 John 4:14, 1 Peter 2:21-24, Acts 20:28, Gal 3:13, Luke 24:21-29, 2:10-11, Philippians 3:20, 1 Timothy 1:1-3, 4:10, Tutus 1:1-4, 2:10-13, 1 Peter 1:10-11, Jude 25
GOD THE REDEEMER AND SAVIOR
Psalm 78:34-35, I Isaiah 47:4, 44:6, 43:3-11, 45:21, 49:26, Psalm 106:21, Luke 1:46-47

JESUS FIRST AND LAST
Revelation 1:17, 22:13
GOD FIRST AND LAST
Isaiah 41:4, 43:10-11, 44:6-8

JESUS THE SHEPHERD
John 10:8-12, 1 Peter 2:21-25, Hebrews 13:20, 1 peter 5:4
GOD THE SHEPHERD
Psalm 23, Isaiah 40:10-11, Psalm 100

JESUS THE I AM AND I AM HE
John 18:5-8, 8:24-28, Revelation 1:17-18,
GOD THE I AM AND I AM HE
Exodus 3:13-14, Isaiah 43:10-11 and 25.

JESUS THE KING
Matthew 2:1-6, Luke 19:32-28, 23:3, John 18:37, 19:21, 1 Timothy 6:13-16, Revelation 15:1-4, 19:11-16
GOD THE KING
Psalm 24, 44:4, 74:12, Isaiah 43:10-15, 44:6-8, Jeremiah 10:10, Zechaniah 14:9
These are bunch of verses pertaining to Jesus as The Everlasting Father.
 
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WHY are so many thing s written To Isreal, taken and put into Today ? IF they were for The Gentiles; then why did Paul get sent to The Gentiles ? Why the change from The Kingdom of Heaven, to The Kingdom Of God?
 

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Jesus as the Everlasting Father:

Look at the statement of God The Father.
He is pointing out to Jesus and he said IAM HE.
And God The Father claimed that God The Father is the only Savior.
ISAIAH 43:10-11
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.

Then look at our Lord Jesus Christ he is pointing out to God The Father when Jesus said I AM HE.
And whosoever is not believing will be condemned
JOHN 8:24
24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Is this possible?
What's possible is that God is not limited.

This verse in the Hebrew shows this is the SAME BEING in Heaven [presumably on His Throne] while at the (SAME TIME = OMNIPRESENCE) is on earth over watching the destruction in person:

24 Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven

This proves that the same person of God can be in Heaven [as Spirit] and also be a person on earth [flesh] doing the Will of God.


But Exodus 3 we see God in the form as LORD claim to be Elohim and I AM and then in Exodus 6 claim to be YHVH the MOST HIGH GOD. These are terms some beliefs apply to the Father but we know for a fact was a Christophany or was Jesus [Yeshua] before being Jesus [Yeshua].
 

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Jesus as the Everlasting Father:

Look at the statement of God The Father.
He is pointing out to Jesus and he said IAM HE.
And God The Father claimed that God The Father is the only Savior.
ISAIAH 43:10-11
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.

Then look at our Lord Jesus Christ he is pointing out to God The Father when Jesus said I AM HE.
And whosoever is not believing will be condemned
JOHN 8:24
24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Is this possible?
What's possible is that God is not limited.

This verse in the Hebrew shows this is the SAME BEING in Heaven [presumably on His Throne] while at the (SAME TIME = OMNIPRESENCE) is on earth over watching the destruction in person:

24 Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven

This proves that the same person of God can be in Heaven [as Spirit] and also be a person on earth [flesh] doing the Will of God.


But Exodus 3 we see God in the form as LORD claim to be Elohim and I AM and then in Exodus 6 claim to be YHVH the MOST HIGH GOD. These are terms some beliefs apply to the Father but we know for a fact was a Christophany or was Jesus [Yeshua] before being Jesus [Yeshua].
 

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Jesus as the Everlasting Father:

Look at the statement of God The Father.
He is pointing out to Jesus and he said IAM HE.
And God The Father claimed that God The Father is the only Savior.
ISAIAH 43:10-11
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.

Then look at our Lord Jesus Christ he is pointing out to God The Father when Jesus said I AM HE.
And whosoever is not believing will be condemned
JOHN 8:24
24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Is this possible?
What's possible is that God is not limited.

This verse in the Hebrew shows this is the SAME BEING in Heaven [presumably on His Throne] while at the (SAME TIME = OMNIPRESENCE) is on earth over watching the destruction in person:

24 Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven

This proves that the same person of God can be in Heaven [as Spirit] and also be a person on earth [flesh] doing the Will of God.


But Exodus 3 we see God in the form as LORD claim to be Elohim and I AM and then in Exodus 6 claim to be YHVH the MOST HIGH GOD. These are terms some beliefs apply to the Father but we know for a fact was a Christophany or was Jesus [Yeshua] before being Jesus [Yeshua].
 

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This website has been having issues and I didn't realize I posted once already. It keeps telling me server issues when I post but didn't realize it actually posted. Sorry for the double post.
 
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What's possible is that God is not limited.

This verse in the Hebrew shows this is the SAME BEING in Heaven [presumably on His Throne] while at the (SAME TIME = OMNIPRESENCE) is on earth over watching the destruction in person:

24 Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven

This proves that the same person of God can be in Heaven [as Spirit] and also be a person on earth [flesh] doing the Will of God.


But Exodus 3 we see God in the form as LORD claim to be Elohim and I AM and then in Exodus 6 claim to be YHVH the MOST HIGH GOD. These are terms some beliefs apply to the Father but we know for a fact was a Christophany or was Jesus [Yeshua] before being Jesus [Yeshua].
IF Jesus died on The Cross, and He was God; as some say: Then why did This World not end, Then?
 
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This website has been having issues and I didn't realize I posted once already. It keeps telling me server issues when I post but didn't realize it actually posted. Sorry for the double post.
I did that too but realized it right away and was able to delete it with the reason "duplicate".
 

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IF Jesus died on The Cross, and He was God; as some say: Then why did This World not end, Then?
We read that after being buried and presumably in the tomb dead for the 3 days that He actually was doing things like setting the Captives free. So He appears to be alive the entire time.
 

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WHY are so many thing s written To Isreal, taken and put into Today ? IF they were for The Gentiles; then why did Paul get sent to The Gentiles ? Why the change from The Kingdom of Heaven, to The Kingdom Of God?
My viewpoint only here...

Much of what we read from Paul, outside of when his Letters were [directly written] to a specific Church, the rest of his Letters were written to his Disciples [like Timothy] and we see a lot of Paul's own personal opinions. And it doesn't necessarily mean that they are Inspired by the Holy Spirit but rather how he personally believed. So some of the information we read is opinion and the rest Inspired.

I also believe in some of the sections that are Inspired we also can see his own opinion. So whether you call something Kingdom of Heaven and someone else called it Kingdom of God chances are good it's about the [(same Kingdom)] but phrased by personal choice of wording.
 
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Jesus as the Everlasting Father:

Look at the statement of God The Father.
He is pointing out to Jesus and he said IAM HE.
And God The Father claimed that God The Father is the only Savior.
ISAIAH 43:10-11
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.

Then look at our Lord Jesus Christ he is pointing out to God The Father when Jesus said I AM HE.
And whosoever is not believing will be condemned
JOHN 8:24
24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Is this possible?
Let us trace and connect these 4 verses.
Genesis 17:7
Hebrews 9:16-17
1Timothy 3:16
John 19:30

God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob whom they call God The Father or The Spirit God made a Covenant or Testament.
GENESIS 17:7
7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

According to Paul, the covenant or the testament is nothing while the maker is alive.
So it requires the death of the maker so the testament will fulfill.
HEBREWS 9:16-17
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

God The Father in his form as Spirit God could not die. But God the Father himself must die to fulfill the Testament.
Since there is no impossible to God. Then Paul said, what God The Father did so that God The Father Himself could die. God The Father had seen in Flesh.
1 TIMOTHY 3:16
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

JOHN 19:30
30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
 
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Yes, in 1Cor. 7:6 & 25 Paul said that he was giving an opinion rather than sharing a command from the Lord,
although Jesus did say something similar regarding marriage in Matt. 19:11-12.

Another place where IMO Paul opined rather than commanded is 1Cor. 11:2-16,
because he stated that he was passing on traditions, which in other places are devalued (Matt. 15:6, Mark 7:8, Gal. 1:14, Col. 2:8).

A third place Paul opined may be 1Tim. 2:14, in which Paul blames Eve for the first sin, when the account in Gen. 3:6-7 clearly indicates
that the first way Eve helped Adam (Gen. 2:18) was to partake of the forbidden fruit WITH her.
 

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WHY are so many thing s written To Isreal, taken and put into Today ? IF they were for The Gentiles; then why did Paul get sent to The Gentiles ? Why the change from The Kingdom of Heaven, to The Kingdom Of God?
HIS WORD IS FOR ALL.

GOD had plans for Paul, he didn't send him just to the Gentiles.

Fact Peter was the first one to give the message to the Gentiles in Acts 10.

Acts 15:7-9
7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.

8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;

Verse 9, no difference between us and them!!

9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

GOD told Ananias.
Acts 9:15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:

After Paul preaches to the Ephesus with the same message as Acts 2:38.

Acts 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
7 And all the men were about twelve.
8 And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.
9 But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus.

Check out this verse 10,

10 And this continued by the space of two years; so that all they which dwelt in Asia heard the word of the Lord Jesus, both Jews and Greeks.

His word is clear Paul was not just for the Gentiles.

I'm going to need some help with the Kingdom of Heaven, to The Kingdom Of God!!

NO IDEA WHERE THAT COMES FROM, man made sure not in HIS word.
 
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ISAIAH 9:6
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
The Bible makes it clear.. The Father and Jesus and the Holy Spirit are One..

(1 John 5:7) "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

Jesus said :: (John 10:30) "I and my Father are one."
 
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The connection of the 2 verses below.
It shows that Jesus is The Everlasting Father.

According to Jesus there is only one God to worship and that is God the Father.
MATTHEW 4:10
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Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

But when Jesus worshipped by the blind man Jesus accepted the worship.
JOHN 9:36-38
36 He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him?
37 And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee.
38 And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him.
 
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My viewpoint only here...

Much of what we read from Paul, outside of when his Letters were [directly written] to a specific Church, the rest of his Letters were written to his Disciples [like Timothy] and we see a lot of Paul's own personal opinions. And it doesn't necessarily mean that they are Inspired by the Holy Spirit but rather how he personally believed. So some of the information we read is opinion and the rest Inspired.

I also believe in some of the sections that are Inspired we also can see his own opinion. So whether you call something Kingdom of Heaven and someone else called it Kingdom of God chances are good it's about the [(same Kingdom)] but phrased by personal choice of wording.
 
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Yes, in 1Cor. 7:6 & 25 Paul said that he was giving an opinion rather than sharing a command from the Lord,
although Jesus did say something similar regarding marriage in Matt. 19:11-12.

Another place where IMO Paul opined rather than commanded is 1Cor. 11:2-16,
because he stated that he was passing on traditions, which in other places are devalued (Matt. 15:6, Mark 7:8, Gal. 1:14, Col. 2:8).

A third place Paul opined may be 1Tim. 2:14, in which Paul blames Eve for the first sin, when the account in Gen. 3:6-7 clearly indicates
that the first way Eve helped Adam (Gen. 2:18) was to partake of the forbidden fruit WITH her.
The connection of the 2 verses below.
It shows that Jesus is The Everlasting Father.

According to Jesus there is only one God to worship and that is God the Father.
MATTHEW 4:10
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Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

But when Jesus worshipped by the blind man Jesus accepted the worship.
JOHN 9:36-38
36 He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him?
37 And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee.
38 And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him.
Yes, technically worship and prayer should be directed to God the Father,
but God the Son/Lord Incarnate was not anal about it.
 
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A third place Paul opined may be 1Tim. 2:14, in which Paul blames Eve for the first sin, when the account in Gen. 3:6-7 clearly indicates
that the first way Eve helped Adam (Gen. 2:18) was to partake of the forbidden fruit WITH her.

You're making the assumption that he was there by her side approving of what she did. "With her" is not constrained to such rigid meaning.