Who is Jesus Christ in this verse and why they call him The Everlasting Father?
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I searched for the first instance of lord in the bible and it occurs in Genesis 15:2. Notice the title case istead of uppercase spelling. It's interesting that this happens so long after Adam's sin. We know he is speaking with Jesus because a bit later God walks between the pieces while making a covenant with Abram.
And Abram said, Lord GOD, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house [is] this Eliezer of Damascus? Genesis 15:2
So my conclusion at this point after dwelling on the matter is that God, the father, is never called lord in the bible. That is Jesus' role. But that will disappear one day and God will be all in all. At this stage of my investigation it is my opinion that it was never God's intent for there to be lord's and subjects, but that needful hierarchy came into being because of rebellion against God's will. Once rebellion has been completely subdued, there will no longer be any need for lordships. I think I finally now understand this verse.
Then [cometh] the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy [that] shall be destroyed [is] death. For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under [him, it is] manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. 1 Corinthians 15:24-28
Godsgood
I don't think You understood the verse correctly.
Jesus, The Son Of Man, was telling Satan HE was not in command of All Things. Get behind Me; that is, You do not have the authority to do what You are seeking to do. Why? Because Satan was not given authority to do The Work which Jesus; the son of man, was given to do.
DeepSeeker
I don't think You understood the verse correctly.
Jesus, The Son Of Man, was telling Satan HE was not in command of All Things. Get behind Me; that is, You do not have the authority to do what You are seeking to do. Why? Because Satan was not given authority to do The Work which Jesus; the son of man, was given to do.
DeepSeeker
In the OT Jesus is called Lord God, but as far as I've found so far, the father is called YHWH God. YHWH does not mean lord.
I would have to say Acts 17:24-31 is referring to Christ, but the Revelation verse indisputably calls God, the father, lord. So is this the only place in the bible God, the father, is called lord?
I would have to say Acts 17:24-31 is referring to Christ, but the Revelation verse indisputably calls God, the father, lord. So is this the only place in the bible God, the father, is called lord?
With the connection of the 4 verses that Jesus as The Everlasting Father mentioned the fulfillment of the Testament (John 19:30).
Thomas being one of the Apostles proved that Jesus is The Everlasting Father.
JOHN 20:26-28
26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Thomas being one of the Apostles proved that Jesus is The Everlasting Father.
JOHN 20:26-28
26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
@GWH, I figured out how to search for verses in which YHWH is called Lord, and there are a bunch of them. So my initial impression was incorrect. For example:
And Moses said unto the LORD [YHWH], O my Lord, I [am] not eloquent, neither heretofore, nor since thou hast spoken unto thy servant: but I [am] slow of speech, and of a slow tongue. Exodus 4:10
I think Jesus Christ is the child, son, Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
In Heb. 2:11-13, Jesus calls believers His brethren. But Heb. 2:13 also calls them "the children whom God has given Me". Similarly, in John 13:11 and John 21:5, Jesus called His disciples: "Children". In John 14:18, Jesus said He would not leave them as "orphans". So Jesus had a relationship with His disciples that was similar to being their father.
John 1:12 says that those who believe become children of God. Since Jesus is God, then believers are His children too. So I think Jesus is the everlasting Father to believers, which is not the same as being God the Father.
In Heb. 2:11-13, Jesus calls believers His brethren. But Heb. 2:13 also calls them "the children whom God has given Me". Similarly, in John 13:11 and John 21:5, Jesus called His disciples: "Children". In John 14:18, Jesus said He would not leave them as "orphans". So Jesus had a relationship with His disciples that was similar to being their father.
John 1:12 says that those who believe become children of God. Since Jesus is God, then believers are His children too. So I think Jesus is the everlasting Father to believers, which is not the same as being God the Father.
How about:
“But while he thought about these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit.” (Mt 1:20 NKJV)
Lord is in lower case, apart from the L, and transates the Greek "Kyrios."
“But while he thought about these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit.” (Mt 1:20 NKJV)
Lord is in lower case, apart from the L, and transates the Greek "Kyrios."
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Luk 3:38
Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.
Jhn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Jhn 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Jhn 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.
Jhn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Jhn 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Jhn 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.