The Oracles of Wisdom

[posthuman]

Do you believe these are real gods
Not gods of stone and wood?
But real gods that came from heaven?

there is no other God but one.

these are idols.

worship of eostare, called 'queen of heaven' in many canaanite texts, involved a wooden pole - - kjv ubiquitously mistranslates her name as 'grove' - - she is mentioned 40 times in the OT.
Israel even put an östern pole in the temple ((2 Kings 21:7)) - here the mistransltion is apparent, because how do you plant a grove of trees inside Solomons temple lol.

perhaps, well, probably certainly, the fallen angels had to do with this.

 

[Cameron143]

Do you believe these are real gods
Not gods of stone and wood?
But real gods that came from heaven?

Isaiah 45:5...there is no God besides me.

 

[Haidabo]

John 10:34
Jesus answered them,
is it not written in your law,
I said you are gods?

John 10: 35
If he called them gods,
unto whom the word of God came,
and the scripture cannot be broken;

1 Corinthians 8:5
For though there be that are
called gods, whether in heaven
or in Earth, (as there be gods many,
and lords many,)

 

[Haidabo]

I do not believe Jeremiah
would refer to any goddess
As the queen of heaven
Unless she were real
And came from heaven
Or was actually
The queen of heaven.
Now my belief is subject
To change depending
Upon further review.

 

[Haidabo]

Joshua 22:22
The LORD God of gods,
the LORD God of gods

Deuteronomy 10:17
For the LORD your God
is God of gods, the Lord of lords

From these two verses
It causes me even more to believe
That there are real gods
In heaven and on Earth
That are real beings.

Because God would not be
the God of make believe or
pretend gods such as wood and stone.
He would be the God of beings that
were gods in heaven and on earth.

I do think that people
Back in those days
Made idols of wood and Stone
To represent these gods
That came from heaven
To Earth.

Just as people
Have pictures of Christ
And crucifixes
With Christ
On the cross.

 

[Haidabo]

All the names of God

How many names
are there of God?
Do you really believe
God has all them different names?
Why would not God just have one name?

Even in the book of Revelation
It is written that God has a new name
And even Jesus has a new name.

I asked God about this
And you would be very surprised
At what he told me.

What do you think of
The one true God
(Notice the words one true God)
that all these people
Say that he has all these
different names.

Did Jesus ever
Say the name of God?

What do you all have to say about it?

 

[Haidabo]

Isaiah 45:5...there is no God besides me.

One God but many gods.
God refers to the himself
As the God of gods
Lord of lords.

 

[Haidabo]

The snake said to Eve
That if she ate the fruit
Her eyes would be open
And she would be as the gods
Knowing good and evil.

This is not referring to
stone and wood idols.

This is referring to real beings
That God had previously created.

 

[cv5]

there is no other God but one.

these are idols.

worship of eostare, called 'queen of heaven' in many canaanite texts, involved a wooden pole - - kjv ubiquitously mistranslates her name as 'grove' - - she is mentioned 40 times in the OT.
Israel even put an östern pole in the temple ((2 Kings 21:7)) - here the mistransltion is apparent, because how do you plant a grove of trees inside Solomons temple lol.

perhaps, well, probably certainly, the fallen angels had to do with this.

[Jdg 6:25 KJV]
And it came to pass the same night, that the LORD said unto him, Take thy father's young bullock, even the second bullock of seven years old, and throw down the altar of Baal that thy father hath, and cut down the grove that [is] by it:

[Jdg 6:26 KJV]
And build an altar unto the LORD thy God upon the top of this rock, in the ordered place, and take the second bullock, and offer a burnt sacrifice with the wood of the grove which thou shalt cut down.

[Jdg 6:28 KJV]
And when the men of the city arose early in the morning, behold, the altar of Baal was cast down, and the grove was cut down that [was] by it, and the second bullock was offered upon the altar [that was] built.

[Jdg 6:30 KJV]
Then the men of the city said unto Joash, Bring out thy son, that he may die: because he hath cast down the altar of Baal, and because he hath cut down the grove that [was] by it.

[1Ki 15:13 KJV]
And also Maachah his mother, even her he removed from [being] queen, because she had made an idol in a grove; and Asa destroyed her idol, and burnt [it] by the brook Kidron.

[1Ki 16:33 KJV]
And Ahab made a grove; and Ahab did more to provoke the LORD God of Israel to anger than all the kings of Israel that were before him.

[2Ki 13:6 KJV]
Nevertheless they departed not from the sins of the house of Jeroboam, who made Israel sin, [but] walked therein: and there remained the grove also in Samaria.)

[2Ki 17:16 KJV]
And they left all the commandments of the LORD their God, and made them molten images, [even] two calves, and made a grove, and worshipped all the host of heaven, and served Baal.

[2Ki 21:3 KJV]
For he built up again the high places which Hezekiah his father had destroyed; and he reared up altars for Baal, and made a grove, as did Ahab king of Israel; and worshipped all the host of heaven, and served them.

 

[Aaron56]

This topic requires more than curiosity. Wisdom is required when discussing "gods" or "lords" or any heavenly being with lordship or the right to rule in a certain sphere.

Here are some Cliff's Notes on the subject.

When we read "gods" (small 'g') the word pertains to either 1) the people who call God their Father. These are men and women whose destiny is framed by the boundaries of Christ. Or, 2), beings that were worshiped as gods. Demonic beings were and still are worshiped as beings deserved of reverence. In the second case, these beings will always present as benevolent or "as of the light" but they are always evil.

In the Bible, if the beings are of a spiritual nature with lordship (for example the queen of heaven, Prince of Persia, Prince of Greece) then they are most assuredly fallen angels that have been given certain dominion, - rights of rule - , over regions or people. When reading, context is important: are the sons of god aligned with God's character? are the princes or queens opposing God or God's people? Without religious traditions that try to ignore the spiritual or demonic realms, it is relatively easy to understand what the scriptures mean when these subjects are broached.

 

[Haidabo]

This topic requires more than curiosity. Wisdom is required when discussing "gods" or "lords" or any heavenly being with lordship or the right to rule in a certain sphere.

Here are some Cliff's Notes on the subject.

When we read "gods" (small 'g') the word pertains to either 1) the people who call God their Father. These are men and women whose destiny is framed by the boundaries of Christ. Or, 2), beings that were worshiped as gods. Demonic beings were and still are worshiped as beings deserved of reverence. In the second case, these beings will always present as benevolent or "as of the light" but they are always evil.

In the Bible, if the beings are of a spiritual nature with lordship (for example the queen of heaven, Prince of Persia, Prince of Greece) then they are most assuredly fallen angels that have been given certain dominion, - rights of rule - , over regions or people. When reading, context is important: are the sons of god aligned with God's character? are the princes or queens opposing God or God's people? Without religious traditions that try to ignore the spiritual or demonic realms, it is relatively easy to understand what the scriptures mean when these subjects are broached.

I'm curious about what
you have to say
Please with your wisdom
Break it down for us as simple
as you can so as we might can
understand it as you.

 

[Cameron143]

One God but many gods.
God refers to the himself
As the God of gods
Lord of lords.

Right. By definition they are subject to Someone superior making them less than God.

 

[Haidabo]

Right. By definition they are subject to Someone superior making them less than God.

That's common knowledge

 

[Haidabo]

How come Jesus
Never spoke the name
Of God?

Or how come it's
not recorded
By anyone
The Jesus ever spoke
The name of God?

 

[Haidabo]

In the Bible, if the beings are of a spiritual nature with lordship (for example the queen of heaven, Prince of Persia, Prince of Greece) then they are most assuredly fallen angels that have been given certain dominion, - rights of rule - , over regions or people.

How can a fallen angel be the Prince of Persia or the prince of Greece? And if that were true then there would have to be a King of Persia and a king of Greece. If the fallen Angels are the Prince of Persia or the prince of Greece then who is the King of Persia and the king of Greece is that another fallen Angel? Please explain? I read through your hypothesis and there's a lot of open ends and rabbit trails.

 

[Cameron143]

That's common knowledge

And yet, you asked the question anyway.

 

[Haidabo]

And yet, you asked the question anyway.

Not for common knowledge.

 

[tablet123]

The Queen of heaven

In the book of Jeremiah
Is the only place in the Bible
Where it is written
Of the Queen of heaven.
Who is this Queen of heaven
In the book of Jeremiah?

Babylon represents human religion, the occult, and the kingdom of man after they lost the revelation of God.

Babylon was ruling during the time of Jeremiah.

Semiramis

The goddess, Semiramis, was also known as Ishtar, Astarte, Ashtoreth: the original Queen of Heaven (Jeremiah 44:15–19). Her son, Tammuz, joined her in creating the world's first mother/son cult. The cult spread to Egypt as Isis and Osiris, Venus and Adonis in Greece, and Ushas and Vishnu in Hinduism.

According to tradition, the Queen of Heaven is a title first used by Semiramis, wife of Nimrod the founder of Babylon. Semiramis started a pagan religion that included many of the traditions later found in Catholicism, including the use of the title Queen of Heaven.

 

[NotmebutHim]

"And God said to Moses, 'I AM WHO I AM.' And He said, 'Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, 'I AM' has sent me to you.' ” - Exodus 3:14 NKJV

"....I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." - John 14:6 NKJV

"Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved." - Acts 4:12 NKJV

"Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." - Philippians 2:5-11 NKJV

"Jesus said to her, 'I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?'" - John 11:26-26 NKJV

 

[tablet123]

The Queen of heaven

In the book of Jeremiah
Is the only place in the Bible
Where it is written
Of the Queen of heaven.
Who is this Queen of heaven
In the book of Jeremiah?

Babylon represents human religion, the occult, and the kingdom of man after they lost the revelation of God.

Babylon was ruling during the time of Jeremiah.

Semiramis

The goddess, Semiramis, was also known as Ishtar, Astarte, Ashtoreth: the original Queen of Heaven (Jeremiah 44:15–19). Her son, Tammuz, joined her in creating the world's first mother/son cult. The cult spread to Egypt as Isis and Osiris, Venus and Adonis in Greece, and Ushas and Vishnu in Hinduism.

According to tradition, the Queen of Heaven is a title first used by Semiramis, wife of Nimrod the founder of Babylon. Semiramis started a pagan religion that included many of the traditions later found in Catholicism, including the use of the title Queen of Heaven.

It is obvious when the Roman Empire embraced Christianity they did not get rid of their pagan, and occult ways and it became their foundation for the interpreting of scriptures.

Now they will embrace the new age christianity.