Another View Of Jesus Christ?

[Suze]

I have to b honest , generally speaking I literally despise the preachers of prosperity , they make my skin crawl .
LUKE CH 12 VERSE 13-15 , why do u think that Jesus wouldn't judge or intervene in this matter ? Do I have to tell u ? Because it was a worldy matter . The Gospel is spiritual , Jesus will judge us in the Spirit of the Gospel which is the Spirit of Truth . The flesh and the things of this world r nothing to us if we profess Christ .

 

[Magenta]

Do u not remember the great draught of fishes the disciples brought in ? What do think that was about ? Or what Jesus said to his disciples at the well in Samaria ?

He has been reminded of that already and also Jesus preaching from Peter's boat... but then he switched
the criteria from whether or not Jesus used His follower's boats in His ministry to whether or not those
boats were used for travelling. Though he refused to admit he did that.

 

[Doll]

He was tempted yet without sin is that what your saying?

I think that he could be tempted by outside forces. However,there was no chance he'd succumb.

 

[MobileChapel]

Why does money have to be involved? Have you never borrowed something from someone?

In the real world, whether religious or secular institutions or operations, they both need money to function.

 

[MobileChapel]

He has been reminded of that already and also Jesus preaching from Peter's boat... but then he switched
the criteria from whether or not Jesus used His follower's boats in His ministry to whether or not those
boats were used for travelling. Though he refused to admit he did that.

Please accept my apologies for the confusion. I should have been more specific in my questions, from the beginning.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

In the real world, whether religious or secular institutions or operations, they both need money to function.

This type of thinking IMO reflects why there is so little of Christ in churches.

 

[MobileChapel]

This type of thinking IMO reflects why there is so little of Christ in churches.

Can you seriously run a church, without money?

 

[NotmebutHim]

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Can you seriously run a church, without money?

Run a church? What is church? It's people meeting together. Can people do that without money? Of course they can. Do like they did back then; meet in houses.

 

[JesusWept]

Eh? Something seems to be missing from your post. Let me guess. You have assumed I did not read your whole post? Well, guess again.


You don't say! Perhaps you should follow that maxim a little better. Because I will let you in on
something: people do not really appreciate being told Scripture does not really mean what it says.
And your whole OP is all about that.

Especially when the person trying to enlighten them has no idea what the heck it is they are talking about.

Wild speculation is not bible study.

 

[Gideon300]

See Luke5:29 re: the house.

That assumes it was the same event. That may be the case. Or not.

 

[Suze]

Can you seriously run a church, without money?

Yep , my congregation is totally unpaid , no one takes any money for anything they do . We have a collection on Sunday for the upkeep of the building . Other congregations in my denomination just hire a local hall for a few hours a week to meet in . Not one member takes one penny for anything they do . All collections go to the upkeep of the building , which is very modest , or meeting place that they rent . A few smaller congregations in m

 

[Haidabo]

What is church?

The temple of the Holy Ghost.
If you are the temple of the Holy Ghost
you are in church all the time.

 

[DavidLamb]

Part of my thinking is based on the culture of the time. Most sons followed the occupation of the father, so it is more than likely that Joseph was a builder. Would a builder not build his own home?

I appreciate your comments. I I hope I don't come across as dogmatic about things the Bible does not make clear. What is important is truth and the principles that follow from truth.

Let me assure you that you certainly did not come across as dogmatic in any way. It is good to be able to discuss the truths of the Scriptures like we are doing, without any unpleasantness.

I agree, a builder would build his own home, but as I said, Joseph's home was in Nazareth, and the incident we're discussing took place on the coast.

 

[Ouch]

I have to b honest , generally speaking I literally despise the preachers of prosperity , they make my skin crawl .
LUKE CH 12 VERSE 13-15 , why do u think that Jesus wouldn't judge or intervene in this matter ? Do I have to tell u ? Because it was a worldy matter . The Gospel is spiritual , Jesus will judge us in the Spirit of the Gospel which is the Spirit of Truth . The flesh and the things of this world r nothing to us if we profess Christ .

I have to b honest , generally speaking I literally despise the preachers of prosperity , they make my skin crawl .
LUKE CH 12 VERSE 13-15 , why do u think that Jesus wouldn't judge or intervene in this matter ? Do I have to tell u ? Because it was a worldy matter . The Gospel is spiritual , Jesus will judge us in the Spirit of the Gospel which is the Spirit of Truth . The flesh and the things of this world r nothing to us if we profess Christ .

It is a LIFE and DEATH matter.

Mark 9:38-40
38 And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.
39 But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.
40 For he that is not against us is on our part.

Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

We have man-made preachers who preach the sinners prayer, saved by grace or faith alone, being baptized is for show and done in JESUS titles, Paul preaches a different message etc.

Then we have JESUS disciple preachers who follow what JESUS said, this is how you will know them.

Mark 16:16-17
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

Acts 2:38-39
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

When we listen to a preacher it's OUR job to check him with HIS WORD if they are not preaching HIS WORD RUN.

 

[tablet123]

Mat 19:20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
Mat 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
Mat 19:22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
Mat 19:23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 19:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

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From ῥάπτω rhaptō, a primary word, (to sew; perhaps rather akin to the base of G4474 through the idea of puncturing); a needle: - needle.

1Ti 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
1Ti 6:6 But godliness with contentment is great gain.
1Ti 6:7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.
1Ti 6:8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.
1Ti 6:9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.
1Ti 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

Act 4:32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
Act 4:34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
Act 4:35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.

Act 20:33 I have coveted no man's silver, or gold, or apparel.
Act 20:34 Yea, ye yourselves know, that these hands have ministered unto my necessities, and to them that were with me.

It would not matter how much money flowed in Jesus' family, or how much money Jesus made, He only went by His needs food, and clothing, and any excess of money was not His to keep for He helped the poor being the founder of Christianity.

A lot of Christians fail at that and probably want to believe Jesus was rich to satisfy their lust for money.

 

[studier]

That assumes it was the same event. That may be the case. Or not.

Are you familiar with these tools that show it is the same event?:
Harmony
Harmony R

 

[Chester]

I have only
one view of King Jesus.
He tells me what to do
And I do it.

All else
Is in the rear view mirror.

This I like! Being a part of a different kingdom with a view much larger than just this world!

 

[Haidabo]

This I like! Being a part of a different kingdom with a view much larger than just this world!

Well it is there for the taking.
Go get it.
lip service never achieved anything
but meaningless words.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Why does money have to be involved? Have you never borrowed something from someone?

look at the op . It’s suggesting jesus was well to do and had good money . So saying he paid for boats is attempting to support that

but really

“and also some women who had been cured of evil spirits and diseases: Mary (called Magdalene) from whom seven demons had come out; Joanna the wife of Chuza, the manager of Herod’s household; Susanna; and many others. These women were helping to support them out of their own means.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭8:2-3‬ ‭NIV‬‬

if Jesus and his disciples were well off I don’t think they would have been depending on women and other followers to help support them as they travelled from place to place preaching the gospel