The Hypocrisy of Exegesis
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I got big shoulders .............Doesn't matter man........... just trying to get a handle on things scripturally and some take offense to it.
I believe in something strongly but need vindication through proper understanding of scripture as I believe this to be vital to me making my point anyways and I can't believe in something unless I feel absolutely sure what I know is the bottom line or is authentic (guess I'm suspicious by nature)(very curious too)
I have often found that something you care about is much easier to defend than something you don't and this is something I care about..............Determining true doctrine and Learning it to memory...........I am finding if I immerse myself in it it becomes much more fluent sort of speak.
What I really need are a couple good theologians with A LOT OF PATIENCE and some time on their hands for starters.
I believe in something strongly but need vindication through proper understanding of scripture as I believe this to be vital to me making my point anyways and I can't believe in something unless I feel absolutely sure what I know is the bottom line or is authentic (guess I'm suspicious by nature)(very curious too)
I have often found that something you care about is much easier to defend than something you don't and this is something I care about..............Determining true doctrine and Learning it to memory...........I am finding if I immerse myself in it it becomes much more fluent sort of speak.
What I really need are a couple good theologians with A LOT OF PATIENCE and some time on their hands for starters.
Yikes! I did not read all here as well most is out of my understanding.
But the basic arguement is about discussing the scriptures and sharing understanding.
What came to mind as I saw this, was when Jesus had stayed behind at the temple, Mary and Joseph came back to find Him discussing the scriptures with the learned.
They were amazed at His wisdom and understanding.
Anyway, not sure if this has any bearing on this "conversation" ?
Was just a thought.
God bless.
pickles
But the basic arguement is about discussing the scriptures and sharing understanding.
What came to mind as I saw this, was when Jesus had stayed behind at the temple, Mary and Joseph came back to find Him discussing the scriptures with the learned.
They were amazed at His wisdom and understanding.
Anyway, not sure if this has any bearing on this "conversation" ?
Was just a thought.
God bless.
pickles
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I got big shoulders .............Doesn't matter man........... just trying to get a handle on things scripturally and some take offense to it.
I believe in something strongly but need vindication through proper understanding of scripture as I believe this to be vital to me making my point anyways and I can't believe in something unless I feel absolutely sure what I know is the bottom line or is authentic (guess I'm suspicious by nature)(very curious too)
I have often found that something you care about is much easier to defend than something you don't and this is something I care about..............Determining true doctrine and Learning it to memory...........I am finding if I immerse myself in it it becomes much more fluent sort of speak.
What I really need are a couple good theologians with A LOT OF PATIENCE and some time on their hands for starters.
I believe in something strongly but need vindication through proper understanding of scripture as I believe this to be vital to me making my point anyways and I can't believe in something unless I feel absolutely sure what I know is the bottom line or is authentic (guess I'm suspicious by nature)(very curious too)
I have often found that something you care about is much easier to defend than something you don't and this is something I care about..............Determining true doctrine and Learning it to memory...........I am finding if I immerse myself in it it becomes much more fluent sort of speak.
What I really need are a couple good theologians with A LOT OF PATIENCE and some time on their hands for starters.
Well dat woodnt be me
BTW... The EOC has already vehemently declared you anathema. Is that evidence of your origin, then? I'm not foolish enough to say so. You're wrong, but I do think you're diligently searching beyond the ridiculous boundaries that Orthodoxy has set.
It's the creation of Jesus that gives me an issue with your view. If it were an emergence or some other relevant terminology, it would be much different.
Genesis 1:3- "And God said, (the Divine Expression of the Logos) LET THERE BE (hayah H1961) light;..."
Without going into great detail of the Hebrew, the key to the meaning of Jehovah/Yahweh is in this verb.
If you didn't contend this was "creation" and that, instead, it was the "emergence" of Jesus from the eternal into the temporal... that would be quite a different thing.
It's the creation of Jesus that gives me an issue with your view. If it were an emergence or some other relevant terminology, it would be much different.
Genesis 1:3- "And God said, (the Divine Expression of the Logos) LET THERE BE (hayah H1961) light;..."
Without going into great detail of the Hebrew, the key to the meaning of Jehovah/Yahweh is in this verb.
If you didn't contend this was "creation" and that, instead, it was the "emergence" of Jesus from the eternal into the temporal... that would be quite a different thing.
On the surface it would seem very similar to me but I see your point if you subscribe to the 3 in 1 theory doesn't matter when I pull 40 lines of scripture to prove what I'm saying (all from the NT I noticed) you can see the development of the scriptures from OT to NT very clearly.
Now either the Apostles had it wrong (I doubt it but...) or the Jews are right (I doubt that as well but...)
Or someone screwed up big time in the descendancy of the scriptures (possible)but the words are very clear in their meaning and aptitude and as I said before I am using strictly scripture to prove my point and I feel I have done this very well. No amount of headbutting is going to change my beliefs. That will only be done by proof of scripture laid before me with an accurate exegesis of the scripture brought forth from the bible itself.
In recent days I have prayed many times for this to be shown to me and it has been such and from many different areas and schools of thought so please if you are going to interject please...please bring forth scripture as I feel this is the only way to settle my beliefs either founded or unfounded Thanks
Now either the Apostles had it wrong (I doubt it but...) or the Jews are right (I doubt that as well but...)
Or someone screwed up big time in the descendancy of the scriptures (possible)but the words are very clear in their meaning and aptitude and as I said before I am using strictly scripture to prove my point and I feel I have done this very well. No amount of headbutting is going to change my beliefs. That will only be done by proof of scripture laid before me with an accurate exegesis of the scripture brought forth from the bible itself.
In recent days I have prayed many times for this to be shown to me and it has been such and from many different areas and schools of thought so please if you are going to interject please...please bring forth scripture as I feel this is the only way to settle my beliefs either founded or unfounded Thanks
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hey Musky you should read PPS other posts.
Ignore the juvenille attacks by others and you will get his exegesis.
i don't think you have that much difference just a few terms and miscommunication between the two of you.
by the way Musky, I don't think your beliefs are really Arian, but anyways....
Do you believe that Jesus was a created creature?
or an innate part of God that was spoken forth and made manifest when God's Soul/ Father spoke His Logos into the world? Of the same substance as God and existing within God until He spoke and manifested His Logos outwardly.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/21795-who-god-really.html
metaphysics mmm...
please refrain from cussing, we have kids reading these thread. thanks...
Ignore the juvenille attacks by others and you will get his exegesis.
i don't think you have that much difference just a few terms and miscommunication between the two of you.
by the way Musky, I don't think your beliefs are really Arian, but anyways....
Do you believe that Jesus was a created creature?
or an innate part of God that was spoken forth and made manifest when God's Soul/ Father spoke His Logos into the world? Of the same substance as God and existing within God until He spoke and manifested His Logos outwardly.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/21795-who-god-really.html
metaphysics mmm...
please refrain from cussing, we have kids reading these thread. thanks...
My apologies if you thought I was cussing though from where I am from that would be considered polite
Personally Ananda my faith is an ever working piece of art of which I am only the canvas not the painter.
My definition of Jesus is similar to what you have just stated although I think he was created, spoken forth, what have you in the beginning when God said "Let there be light" This is when I think Jesus first came on the scene.
"For he is the light of the world" I believe is how it is penned.
I guess I am a bit of a perfectionist and need to be in the "proper know" (if you know what I mean)
I think I finally figured out when I was saved (not for certain)it happened about 7 months ago while musing over a website of Akianne Kramarik and saw her paintings of the Prince of Peace and had a total breakdown of flooding emotions running through me like never before.
If I ever get to meet her I am giving her a great big hug and whatever money is in my pockets at the time I meet her. It was this little girls testimony at the age of 8 on (The hour of power) with Robert Schuller that gave me such an inflection of faith that I had to believe NO CHOICE HAD TO right is right no matter how you slice it! So ever since I have been finding my faith and learning scripture like a ravenous wolf on a carcass. I just can't get enough
Personally Ananda my faith is an ever working piece of art of which I am only the canvas not the painter.
My definition of Jesus is similar to what you have just stated although I think he was created, spoken forth, what have you in the beginning when God said "Let there be light" This is when I think Jesus first came on the scene.
"For he is the light of the world" I believe is how it is penned.
I guess I am a bit of a perfectionist and need to be in the "proper know" (if you know what I mean)
I think I finally figured out when I was saved (not for certain)it happened about 7 months ago while musing over a website of Akianne Kramarik and saw her paintings of the Prince of Peace and had a total breakdown of flooding emotions running through me like never before.
If I ever get to meet her I am giving her a great big hug and whatever money is in my pockets at the time I meet her. It was this little girls testimony at the age of 8 on (The hour of power) with Robert Schuller that gave me such an inflection of faith that I had to believe NO CHOICE HAD TO right is right no matter how you slice it! So ever since I have been finding my faith and learning scripture like a ravenous wolf on a carcass. I just can't get enough
