Jesus identified EACTLY who God was- do you BELIEVE Him?

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Please show me where he contradicted himself here!

Jesus said ;

1."I and the Father are one.”

2. "Truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am."

3. Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

4. Waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ...

5. Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!” Jesus accepted worship, only God can be worshiped.

6. Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”
“We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

7.waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ

8.All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.

9.But of the Son he says, "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever

10. For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities — all things were created through him and for him. 17 And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

Some of the verses that point to Jesus divinity.

 

[Blain]

Well- thanks for the confirmation bias!

Bias? so you can just brush off what scripture says and call it bias? how is this then?

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2The same was in the beginning with God.
3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

 

[Oncefallen]

I'm fairly certain what trail your going to go down, but I'll let you prove my hunch.

MANY!

Pardon the graphic, where I LISTED some of them!

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I was right, that didn't take long. Usually they creep around giving cryptic answers for weeks before coming outright in pulling scripture out of it's full context to attempt to "prove" their heresy.

 

[Magenta]

O goody! Does this mean I'm free to post MY graphics?

You better hurry...

 

[Blain]

You better hurry...

Yeah I get the feeling they won't be here long at the very least I was hoping he would be able to actually discuss things but he is dead set on his beliefs

 

[Magenta]

Yeah I get the feeling they won't be here long at the very least I was hoping
he would be able to actually discuss things but he is dead set on his beliefs

Being convinced we are called to, but not to heresy.

 

[Daisy2]

"Of all the heresies which have arisen to afflict the Church, Arianism was one of the most contemptible, for it attacked the Divinity of Our Lord, Jesus Christ. Arius preached that the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity was not equal with the Father but was subordinate to Him. Christ is not God, said Arius; He is but the first and most exalted of creatures!"

Arianism and the Council of Nicea - Catholicism.org

the First Council of Nicea disproved Arianism all the way back in 325

 

[Mem]

Just yesterday, I refreshed on the passages where Jesus walked on water and Matthew14:33 says that those in the boat worshipped Him, knowing truly that He is "the Son of God." Is the OP attempting to discourage worship of Jesus?

 

[tablet123]

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Jesus is God manifest in the flesh.

Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

Jesus cannot be a created God.

There is only one God so Jesus is the one God.

Mic 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

Jesus will be from everlasting which He will have no beginning.

1Ti 6:14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Jesus dwells in the light that no person can approach unto then He has to be God.

No person has seen Jesus and no person will ever see Jesus for He is the invisible God but showed a visible manifestation of Himself.

We will see Jesus when we are in heaven but if no person can see Jesus then He has to be God.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

The Word was God and became flesh so Jesus is God.

Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.
Joh 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
Joh 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
Joh 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

The Jews thought Jesus claimed to be God.

Joh 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
Joh 8:57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Joh 8:59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

Jesus is not an angel so if He was before Abraham then He has to be God.

Joh 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Joh 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

Thomas called Jesus my Lord and God and Jesus did not rebuke him like the angel told John to not bow down before him for worship only goes to God.

Mat 14:33 Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.

Mat 28:9 And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.
Mat 28:10 Then said Jesus unto them, Be not afraid: go tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me.

The disciples worshipped Jesus and He did not rebuke them and worship only goes to God.

Tit 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ.

Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

 

[StephenAndrew]

Peace to all,

Hi, Stephen Andrew here, I know, always talking about OMNILogic, OMNILogicalGod same God from the Faith of Abraham only expressed in today’s logical technology for all to be able to see God with New OMNILogical eyes, I believe. How is all today? Fine here.

OMNILogically, “Output,” or The Power of the Divine Spirit created “Time” for the created Soul powered by the spirit manifestation for the created flesh becoming One Body through states selected becoming again One Divine Body, I believe.

Peace becomes from failed choice, to love or to love not through three powers from creation through transformation for glorification and transfiguration for two natures spirit and life becoming One Body becoming choice with no chance to fail becoming in all through fulfilled faith and morality choice in One Body only becoming loving only and loving with the most love becoming again in all in One Divine God, logically, I believe.

Some say:
“I have no idea what that might mean, or might not mean. It is possibly the most meaningless statement I think I’ve ever read.” ON Chat
And some say:
“It will be much bigger than this, but most likely reflect the spiritual atmosphere, humility and reverence.” From Webbot, somewhere

To my thinking and in generalization, I believe:

The Mind of God from all of the finite disciplines know to man can never be explained, but through logic, we can see God with New OMNILogical Eyes, I believe, in OMNILogicalGod,

If we were God what would we want? Love? Flesh? in One Body? How He loves the Beloved Creation, How He only loves and with only the most love all creation, all mankind and angels, and even The Earth becomes Transformed, Made New and we perhaps know at one time the earth was at least 40 feet underwater everywhere for all becoming again in all Together forever loving only and loving with only the most love.

The New Parable of the Digital Multi-vibrator
Two natures, Time and output, Time becomes fulfilled, statically undefiled never changing and unfailing through fulfulled creation becoming “output” from teh Power of the Divine fulfilled dynamically changing in only one way undeflied infallible loving only and loving with only the most love, in One Body, OMNILogiocalGod, I believe.

The Logical Fulfilled Universe Explained OMNILogically, by Stephen Andrew
Has any one ever heard the Parable of the Digital Multi-vibrator? We choose either the Bi-Stable or Mini-Stable Multi-vibrator manifesting the becomings, I believe, in all generalizations. Stable States in the bi-stable multi-vibrator remain in the last chosen state. forever, but for the mono-stable multi-vibrator the state changes only in the one state, through two natures manifesting from state power pulsing One State from choice loving only and loving with only the most love, creation becoming statically unfailing unable to fail yet dynamically pulsing through His Passion loving oly and loving with only the most love through two natures in One Body, The Parable of the Bi Stable or Mono Stable Digital Multi-vibrator becoming again in all OMNILogically, I believe.

OMNILogicalGod is so simple, for two nature world order, from the Spirit God from the Faith of Father Abraham, same all God, everywhere, becoming again from personal Gods through Powers preexisting for all from One Body from the Divine Spirit Family through the created souls of all for the created flesh becoming transformed in One Body through two natures becoming again immortally glorified and transfigured incorruptibly for all One Body in all, I believe.

Failed choice is Adam and Eve, logically all mankind created failed in two natures through flesh mortality from spirit corruption through from choice giving all the freedom for the autonomy in becoming again through spirit manifestation choice powered from the tree of knowledge becoming to know how to love or to love both choosing love becoming their own death for the others love only from creation through transformation for glorification becoming together for all in One Body loving only and loving with only the most love becoming again in all One Divine Family One God in being, OMNILogicalGod, same God from the Faith of Abraham expressed technically logically in all generalizations through two natures, spirit and life becoming again in all One Divine Body, One Family, is what I am thinking, I believe.

 

[Komentaja]

His Father is the ONLY true God!

Yeah that verse is true.

However I urge you to take a look at Beau Branson's writings on the subject. The monarchial Trinity, monarchy of the Father.



Note: This is how orthodox Christians view the trinity, or eastern Christians in general, I am not from the east, nor do I belong to the orhodox church, but I believe when it comes to the trinity, they have a better way of articulating it than the western parts of the Church.

 

[StephenAndrew]

Peace to all,

I believe the definition you show is the finite understanding.

Branson does not understand teh Two Nature GOd from teh Faith of Abraham, I beleive.
Come on, The Holy Spirit is the Family of God, in all generalizations, use my picture,

Peace always,
Stephen
Stephen

 

[StephenAndrew]

So, what is the argument that I take to be Tuggy’s central criticism of Trinitarianism? One reads or hears about “the” Logical Problem of the Trinity (perhaps following the title of Cartwright’s seminal paper)1 , or of “the” three-ness / one-ness problem2 . This is the fairly obvious problem that it’s difficult to see how God can be “both three and one”, or how three things can each in some sense “be God” while there is only one God. We might call this “the Predicative Problem”, since it turns on the question of how the predicate “is God” or “is divine” (whether taken as a predication of a quality of divinity, or a predication of the identity relation to The One God) can apply to three distinct individuals, while yet there is, apparently, only a single individual to which it should apply.

Peace to all,

Spirit and life in One Body becoming again logically One God. Rationally cannot change is loving only and loving with only the most love through two natures in One Body. Logical Fulfilled intelligence undefiled is from created, becoming mutable and able to change through failed choice with defiled choice capable of loving or not loving.

In logical reality, Spirit and life in One Body becoming again logically One God. Rationally cannot change is loving only and loving with only the most love through two natures in One Body. Logical Fulfilled intelligence undefiled is from created, becoming mutable and able to change through failed choice with defiled choice capable of loving or not loving. Jesus fulfilled through His Passing undefiled loving only and loving with only the most love, becoming again One Family.

In all generalizations, Dogmas allow Disciples becoming mystics in uniting the common denominator of all faiths becoming through the spirit, all Fathers with a different name becoming together in the Same God from undefiled logical intelligence through the Powers of the Holy Spirit Family becoming inside of all mankind from three preexisting Spirit Powers in One Holy Family, Three Personal Gods from the Father through The Mother for The Son in being and each God equal in the powers of God saparately and together One God One Holy Spirit Family in being, before creation was ever created was even created. And delivered through the flesh of Jesus. The Mind of God, the entire "Sophia" wisdom of The Holy Family, "The Word becomes flesh" living inside of all mankind from Creation through Transformation for two nature fulfillment in One Body through the Christ in all becoming again in all One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, to all generations, I believe.

Peace always,
Stephen

 

[StephenAndrew]

This is what is typically thought of as “the” Logical Problem of the Trinity (LPT). ST tries to solve LPT by positing an equivocation between “is God” as applied to the three persons and as applied to The One God. RI tries to solve LPT by eschewing classical identity in favor of various relative identity relations. What we can predicate “is God” or “is divine” of are three counting by persons but one counting by gods. But while most of the analytic literature on the Trinity has focused on LPT, this is not the problem that really motivates Tuggy.

Peace to all,

Logically, Tuggy cannot see Lord Mary God of Mercy, Queen of Heaven and Mother of God existing in Thh Trinity even since before creation was even created was ever created existing in undeflied logical intelligence unfailing in One Holy Holy Spirit Family One God and Holy Spirit Family One God in being, OMNILogicvalluy, I beleive.

OMNILogically, The Holy Spirit is a Family of God and not a person in being The Mother of God, Mary is a the personal God in being and has always been together with The Father and the Son in One Holy Spirit family One God in being, OMNILogicalGod, same God of The God from The Father of Faith of Abraham, I believe, exprexxed in the OMNILogic of today, for all, in all generalizations.

Peace always,
Stephen

 

[Dino246]

Peace to all,

Hi, Stephen Andrew here, I know, always talking about OMNILogic, OMNILogicalGod same God from the Faith of Abraham only expressed in today’s logical technology for all to be able to see God with New OMNILogical eyes, I believe. How is all today? Fine here.

OMNILogically, “Output,” or The Power of the Divine Spirit created “Time” for the created Soul powered by the spirit manifestation for the created flesh becoming One Body through states selected becoming again One Divine Body, I believe.

Peace becomes from failed choice, to love or to love not through three powers from creation through transformation for glorification and transfiguration for two natures spirit and life becoming One Body becoming choice with no chance to fail becoming in all through fulfilled faith and morality choice in One Body only becoming loving only and loving with the most love becoming again in all in One Divine God, logically, I believe.

Some say:
“I have no idea what that might mean, or might not mean. It is possibly the most meaningless statement I think I’ve ever read.” ON Chat
And some say:
“It will be much bigger than this, but most likely reflect the spiritual atmosphere, humility and reverence.” From Webbot, somewhere

To my thinking and in generalization, I believe:

The Mind of God from all of the finite disciplines know to man can never be explained, but through logic, we can see God with New OMNILogical Eyes, I believe, in OMNILogicalGod,

If we were God what would we want? Love? Flesh? in One Body? How He loves the Beloved Creation, How He only loves and with only the most love all creation, all mankind and angels, and even The Earth becomes Transformed, Made New and we perhaps know at one time the earth was at least 40 feet underwater everywhere for all becoming again in all Together forever loving only and loving with only the most love.

The New Parable of the Digital Multi-vibrator
Two natures, Time and output, Time becomes fulfilled, statically undefiled never changing and unfailing through fulfulled creation becoming “output” from teh Power of the Divine fulfilled dynamically changing in only one way undeflied infallible loving only and loving with only the most love, in One Body, OMNILogiocalGod, I believe.

The Logical Fulfilled Universe Explained OMNILogically, by Stephen Andrew
Has any one ever heard the Parable of the Digital Multi-vibrator? We choose either the Bi-Stable or Mini-Stable Multi-vibrator manifesting the becomings, I believe, in all generalizations. Stable States in the bi-stable multi-vibrator remain in the last chosen state. forever, but for the mono-stable multi-vibrator the state changes only in the one state, through two natures manifesting from state power pulsing One State from choice loving only and loving with only the most love, creation becoming statically unfailing unable to fail yet dynamically pulsing through His Passion loving oly and loving with only the most love through two natures in One Body, The Parable of the Bi Stable or Mono Stable Digital Multi-vibrator becoming again in all OMNILogically, I believe.

OMNILogicalGod is so simple, for two nature world order, from the Spirit God from the Faith of Father Abraham, same all God, everywhere, becoming again from personal Gods through Powers preexisting for all from One Body from the Divine Spirit Family through the created souls of all for the created flesh becoming transformed in One Body through two natures becoming again immortally glorified and transfigured incorruptibly for all One Body in all, I believe.

Failed choice is Adam and Eve, logically all mankind created failed in two natures through flesh mortality from spirit corruption through from choice giving all the freedom for the autonomy in becoming again through spirit manifestation choice powered from the tree of knowledge becoming to know how to love or to love both choosing love becoming their own death for the others love only from creation through transformation for glorification becoming together for all in One Body loving only and loving with only the most love becoming again in all One Divine Family One God in being, OMNILogicalGod, same God from the Faith of Abraham expressed technically logically in all generalizations through two natures, spirit and life becoming again in all One Divine Body, One Family, is what I am thinking, I believe.

Wordy and meaningless unbiblical blather.

 

[lrs68]

John 9:
35 Yeshua heard that they had thrown him out. Finding him, He said, “Do you believe in the Son of Man?”

36 The man answered, “Who is He, Sir? Tell me, so that I may believe in Him!”

37 Yeshua said, “You have seen Him—He is the One speaking with you.”

38 He said, “Lord, I believe!” And he worshiped Him.


Luke 24:
44 Yeshua said to them, “This is what I meant when I was still with you and told you that everything written about me in the Torah of Moshe, the Prophets and the Psalms had to be fulfilled.”

45 Then he opened their minds, so that they could understand the Tanakh,

46 telling them, “Here is what it says: the Messiah is to suffer and to rise from the dead on the third day;


Son of Man and Messiah are Names for God in the flesh.

Yeshua\Jesus had no issue saying Who He was to people. Paul wrote it correctly as Our Great God and Savior, Jesus Christ

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

This is what is typically thought of as “the” Logical Problem of the Trinity (LPT). ST tries to solve LPT by positing an equivocation between “is God” as applied to the three persons and as applied to The One God. RI tries to solve LPT by eschewing classical identity in favor of various relative identity relations. What we can predicate “is God” or “is divine” of are three counting by persons but one counting by gods. But while most of the analytic literature on the Trinity has focused on LPT, this is not the problem that really motivates Tuggy.

Peace to all,

Logically, Tuggy cannot see Lord Mary God of Mercy, Queen of Heaven and Mother of God existing in Thh Trinity even since before creation was even created was ever created existing in undeflied logical intelligence unfailing in One Holy Holy Spirit Family One God and Holy Spirit Family One God in being, OMNILogicvalluy, I beleive.

OMNILogically, The Holy Spirit is a Family of God and not a person in being The Mother of God, Mary is a the personal God in being and has always been together with The Father and the Son in One Holy Spirit family One God in being, OMNILogicalGod, same God of The God from The Father of Faith of Abraham, I believe, exprexxed in the OMNILogic of today, for all, in all generalizations.

Peace always,
Stephen

Mary needed a Savior, just like all of us. She was not deity.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

What cult is the OP part of? "Lord Mary God of Mercy, Queen of Heaven and Mother of God "

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

His Father is the ONLY true God!

Chuckle!!! Here we go again!!! BUT HEY!! It's nothing but "Theology" after all.

 

[DeanM]

What cult is the OP part of? "Lord Mary God of Mercy, Queen of Heaven and Mother of God "

I didnt know that the RCC was teaching that Mary was with God at creation. Not surprising I guess.