Here are the differences between the last two prophetic comings of Christ (the Rapture vs Second Coming)

[Howdy]

There is zero resurrection between the 7 yr trib and the mill.
What translation are you reading?

OK so when does this first resurrection take place?

 

[Psalm1]

Revelation states that all who are are not in the first resurrection will suffer the second death.
The second death is the lake of fire.
All whose name is not in the book of life will be cast into the lake of fire.
Those who are beheaded, do not take the mark or worship the beast or his image will be in the first resurrection.
Even a very simple mind can understand the first resurrection comes after the great tribulation.

If you read in the book of revelation somewhere around chapter six, we see a multitude in heaven that nobody can count.
...And they came out of the 7 yr tribulation.
It clearly states who they are and where they came from.
These with palm branches are your people that were beheaded.
Also note, that they are waving Palm branches.
And ask yourself, what does this indicate?
It will take you to the Feast of Tabernacles.
They wave Palm branches for 7 days.
This is a pointer or an indicator that points to the 7 year tribulation.
The Palm branches ,and the fact that they're in heaven, and the fact that they are martyred, and the 7 day or 7 year dynamic, all point to the pre. Tribulation rapture
You simply can't have it both ways. You can't force fit a non-resurrection of those beheaded at the end of the 7 yr trib when it's very clear that the innumerable number are all martyrs that came out of the tribulation.... and that is way before the millennium, which completely takes away that notion,Of some resurrection after the tribulation.

Plus nowhere does it say they are resurrected at the end of the trib.

But you have another problem.
A even BIGGER ONE!
REV 14!

REV 14 DESTROYS the theory of a postrib resurrection.

 

[Psalm1]

OK so when does this first resurrection take place?

1 thes 4.
The pretrib rapture.

You have To go back to the first fruits, which is Jesus's resurrection, and his subsequent rapture to heaven.

When Jesus is declared as the first fruits, That actually means something, it's not just God being thrifty or coincidental.

So we see that God invoked the dynamic of harvest in the resurrection.
Harvest is 3 parts. We have first fruits, which is followed by the main harvest, which is followed by the gleaners and the corners.
So no matter what, the harvest is 3 or 4 parts, dependent on how you count them.
I'm sure we can both agree that Jesus and the saints in paradise are the first fruits to the father, of the resurrection harvest.
It is declared that the dead in Christ shall rise first.
But you have them, in your doctrine, being resurrected after the harvest of revelation fourteen, which is during the tribulation period.
That alone totally annihilates any notion of a postribulation rapture

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

REV 14 DESTROYS the theory of a postrib resurrection.

How does Revelation 14 destroy a post-tribulation resurrection?

 

[Howdy]

If you read in the book of revelation somewhere around chapter six, we see a multitude in heaven that nobody can count.
...And they came out of the 7 yr tribulation.
It clearly states who they are and where they came from.
These with palm branches are your people that were beheaded.
Also note, that they are waving Palm branches.
And ask yourself, what does this indicate?
It will take you to the Feast of Tabernacles.
They wave Palm branches for 7 days.
This is a pointer or an indicator that points to the 7 year tribulation.
The Palm branches ,and the fact that they're in heaven, and the fact that they are martyred, and the 7 day or 7 year dynamic, all point to the pre. Tribulation rapture
You simply can't have it both ways. You can't force fit a non-resurrection of those beheaded at the end of the 7 yr trib when it's very clear that the innumerable number are all martyrs that came out of the tribulation.... and that is way before the millennium, which completely takes away that notion,Of some resurrection after the tribulation.

Plus nowhere does it say they are resurrected at the end of the trib.

But you have another problem.
A even BIGGER ONE!
REV 14!

REV 14 DESTROYS the theory of a postrib resurrection.

All who are not in the first resurrection will suffer the second death just as Revelation states.
Those who do not take the mark, do not worship the beast or his image are resurrected after the great tribulation.
How can these be in the first resurrection if it comes before the great tribulation?

 

[Howdy]

How does Revelation 14 destroy a post-tribulation resurrection?

Only in the mind of a person who approaches Scripture with the intent to prove what they believe.
And they will add to, take away, and twist it to suit their belief denying the Ruth clearly revealed.
I am wasting my time and so is anyone else trying to get the people to put aside what they believe and allow the Sripture to reveal the truth to them.
See my pot above on pride.

 

[Howdy]

1 thes 4.
The pretrib rapture.

You have To go back to the first fruits, which is Jesus's resurrection, and his subsequent rapture to heaven.

When Jesus is declared as the first fruits, That actually means something, it's not just God being thrifty or coincidental.

So we see that God invoked the dynamic of harvest in the resurrection.
Harvest is 3 parts. We have first fruits, which is followed by the main harvest, which is followed by the gleaners and the corners.
So no matter what, the harvest is 3 or 4 parts, dependent on how you count them.
I'm sure we can both agree that Jesus and the saints in paradise are the first fruits to the father, of the resurrection harvest.
It is declared that the dead in Christ shall rise first.
But you have them, in your doctrine, being resurrected after the harvest of revelation fourteen, which is during the tribulation period.
That alone totally annihilates any notion of a postribulation rapture

Revelation 14:1-4
The 144,000 are called the first fruit in verse 4.
Do you even know what the first fruit was for?

 

[Psalm1]

Revelation 14:1-4
The 144,000 are called the first fruit in verse 4.
Do you even know what the first fruit was for?

They are declared firstfruits.
Ethnic jews firstfruits.

 

[Psalm1]

All who are not in the first resurrection will suffer the second death just as Revelation states.
Those who do not take the mark, do not worship the beast or his image are resurrected after the great tribulation.
How can these be in the first resurrection if it comes before the great tribulation?

Show me where there is a postrib resurrection

 

[Howdy]

Show me where there is a postrib resurrection

Matthew 24:29-31
I Corinthians 15:52 at the last trumpet. You understand what last means.
Revelation 20.
Do you understand what first means?
If the church is taken before the tribulation, when are those who are beheaded, those who do not take the mark or worship the beast or his image during the great tribulation resurrected?

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

Show me where there is a postrib resurrection

This has been debated to death and pre-tribbers will just rationalize any verse to make it bend to their interpretation.

Instead, I'm just going to watch you all keep waiting for your pre-trib rapture right up to the antichrist being revealed.

 

[Howdy]

They are declared firstfruits.
Ethnic jews firstfruits.

Revelation 14:4 These are they that were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These were redeeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
The Scripture does not say they are Ethnic Jews.
Another of your made up meanings.
You and many others are going be in complete shock and denial when the anti-christ comes forth and demands to be worshiped and you are still waiting for the pre-trib rapture of the church.
I am dune with this nonsense.

 

[Psalm1]

Matthew 24:29-31
I Corinthians 15:52 at the last trumpet. You understand what last means.
Revelation 20.
Do you understand what first means?
If the church is taken before the tribulation, when are those who are beheaded, those who do not take the mark or worship the beast or his image during the great tribulation resurrected?

The last trumpet is blown every year at the feast of trumpets.

 

[Psalm1]

This has been debated to death and pre-tribbers will just rationalize any verse to make it bend to their interpretation.

Instead, I'm just going to watch you all keep waiting for your pre-trib rapture right up to the antichrist being revealed.

There are no verses of a resurrection postrib.

The ac WILL BE REVEALED pretrib right before the pretrib rapture.
Note it says "revealed".
That AUTOMATICALL POINTS to the pretrib rapture.

It all points to a pretrib rapture.
As far as watching for Jesus being evil,
That is another anti bible postrib talking point

 

[Howdy]

The last trumpet is blown every year at the feast of trumpets.

You really do have a problem understand Scripture.
Paul was speaking of trumps sounded from Heaven by angels as directed by God.

 

[Psalm1]

Revelation 14:4 These are they that were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These were redeeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
The Scripture does not say they are Ethnic Jews.
Another of your made up meanings.
You and many others are going be in complete shock and denial when the anti-christ comes forth and demands to be worshiped and you are still waiting for the pre-trib rapture of the church.
I am dune with this nonsense.

Lol.
I understand your frustration.
Not only are they Jews, but The bible declares they are ethnic jews and even tells you the tribes that they came out of it gives you the number of them twice and the holy spirit deliberately added the tribes so that we know for a fact they are indeed ethnic Jews.
Hard to wiggle out of the plain wordings of the bible.

If Rev 14 is not modified to fit your model, then you have no standing.
You should ask yourself. Why are you a tempting to modify the facts that plainly stated?
God did not miss speak.
And those facts remain right there in front of you no matter if they fit your doctor and or not.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

There are no verses of a resurrection postrib.

The ac WILL BE REVEALED pretrib right before the pretrib rapture.
Note it says "revealed".
That AUTOMATICALL POINTS to the pretrib rapture.

It all points to a pretrib rapture.
As far as watching for Jesus being evil,
That is another anti bible postrib talking point

Sure! I'll just watch you wait for this pre-trib rapture ,,,,and wait and wait and wait and wait and wait and wait and wait.....

 

[Psalm1]

You really do have a problem understand Scripture.
Paul was speaking of trumps sounded from Heaven by angels as directed by God.

When Jesus spoke to John on patmos it was the sound of a trumpet.

So no, you are simply thinking your 2 verses make my 10 verses disappear.

You do understand that the weight of scripture makes my position?

You have what?...2 verses ?

.....and making Rev 14 disappear has been tried by the best postribbers.
They can not unpack it without changing the wording.

Ask a podtribber to interpret act 1 " like manner".
They will give you 3 or 4 scenarios of how " like manner" , "fits"

It is actually entertaining watching them miss the obvious, and add a myriad of dynamics to avoid the obvious.

Same with the virgin parable,
The Virgin parable has several Components to the parable that are critical in order to get the meaning.
Ask a postribber to interpret the Virgin parable.
You will not believe how many components in the parable. They must change do make it fit their doctrine.

Wow...that is bizarre

 

[Howdy]

How to justify a belief is a pre-trib rapture of the church.
First resurrection does not mean first.
Last Trump does not mean last.
After the tribulation does not mean after the tribulation.
When evil men say the wrath of God has come, believe them.
Shall I go on?

 

[Psalm1]

Sure! I'll just watch you wait for this pre-trib rapture ,,,,and wait and wait and wait and wait and wait and wait and wait.....

I totally believe that the Antichrist will come very soon. Because anyone can look at this world and see the stage is being set for a one world government and leader.
They are working on a computer right now as a data base for everybody on the planet.
That system is coming and coming soon.

And it will be a total surprise to those that are not paying attention.
I also believe that right away Christians will be arrested and taken to massive open air compounds detention centers.
We will be the haters.
We will be those that refuse to mark.
People like you will be there mocking people like me. Kinda like what you're doing right now.

It will possibly be in those giant open air detention centers that the pretrib rapture will take place.
But those that aren't watching for him will not be taken up. They will face the Antichrist.

Many will lose heart as they are mocked and scolded for their foolishsness....Kinda like you are doing now.