Here are the differences between the last two prophetic comings of Christ (the Rapture vs Second Coming)

[Psalm1]

The only thing needed to make my case is accepting the truth revealed in Scripture.
You must spend hours and hours twisting Scripture to say what you want it to say.

I invite you ,(howdy), and 2nd time charm to post a verse I twisted

Go ahead.
I will wait.
Surely it would be real easy

 

[Psalm1]

I invite you (howdy), and 2nd time charm to post a verse I twisted

Go ahead.
I will wait.
Surely it would be real easy

still waiting

 

[EddieM]

I would like for a post-tribber to give me his/her best passage, with explanation for the pre-trib position being demonstrably wrong.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

I would like for a post-tribber to give me his/her best passage, with explanation for the pre-trib position being demonstrably wrong.

What for? You'll just twist it.

I'll just watch you wait for your pre-trib rapture. And wait and wait and wait and wait and wait and wait and wait and wait....

You'll still be waiting when the antichrist is revealed. That starts the great tribulation. Then what will you do?

 

[EddieM]

What for? You'll just twist it.

I'll just watch you wait for your pre-trib rapture. And wait and wait and wait and wait and wait and wait and wait and wait....

You'll still be waiting when the antichrist is revealed. That starts the great tribulation. Then what will you do?


I had a feeling you couldn't come up with one. Nice diversion. BTW, I subscribe to the Literal Interpretation Method, so you don't have to worry me not to twist the text. If I can't demonstrate that my interpretation falls under the Literal Method, I am wrong.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

I had a feeling you couldn't come up with one. Nice diversion. BTW, I subscribe to the Literal Interpretation Method, so you don't have to worry me not to twist the text. If I can't demonstrate that my interpretation falls under the Literal Method, I am wrong.

Talking my ear off about you pre-trib rapture false teaching using Literal Interpretation Method won't work when I know what the Bible already says.

Seriously, I will just watch for you waiting for your pre-trib rapture to wisk you away to safety....

 

[EddieM]

Talking my ear off about you pre-trib rapture false teaching using Literal Interpretation Method won't work when I know what the Bible already says.

Seriously, I will just watch for you waiting for your pre-trib rapture to wisk you away to safety....


Spoken like a serious bible student! What do you think a forum is for?

 

[Psalm1]

the thing is, they also believe in a rapture that whisks them away....oh the irony.

When they see their deal is weak and poorly thought out, then I call them to post proof of a supposed "twisting", we get mocked and ridiculed.

In over 40 years of debating these guys, It always ends in them going personal.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

the thing is, they also believe in a rapture that whisks them away....oh the irony.

When they see their deal is weak and poorly thought out, then I call them to post proof of a supposed "twisting", we get mocked and ridiculed.

In over 40 years of debating these guys, It always ends in them going personal.

The last days are so close, I'd rather see God the Father just play out what He has decreed in His Bible over any debate. He says the rapture will be after the great tribulation, so it will play out EXACTLY that way. If you disagree, tell Him He is wrong and why. Show Him your gobbledegook rational and explain it Him....

Also aren't you guys anticipating that God is going to question you about how you came to believe the pre-trib false teach (and the silly charts - how you are going to explain them to Him???).

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

the thing is, they also believe in a rapture that whisks them away....oh the irony.

When they see their deal is weak and poorly thought out, then I call them to post proof of a supposed "twisting", we get mocked and ridiculed.

In over 40 years of debating these guys, It always ends in them going personal.

The last days are so close, I'd rather see God the Father just play out what He has decreed in His Bible over any debate. He says the rapture will be after the great tribulation, so it will play out EXACTLY that way. If you disagree, tell Him He is wrong and why. Show Him your gobbledegook rational and explain it Him....

Also aren't you guys anticipating that God is going to question you about how you came to believe the pre-trib false teach (and the silly charts - how you are going to explain them to Him???).

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

Oh! Sorry for the duplicate!

 

[Psalm1]

The last days are so close, I'd rather see God the Father just play out what He has decreed in His Bible over any debate. He says the rapture will be after the great tribulation, so it will play out EXACTLY that way. If you disagree, tell Him He is wrong and why. Show Him your gobbledegook rational and explain it Him....

Also aren't you guys anticipating that God is going to question you about how you came to believe the pre-trib false teach (and the silly charts - how you are going to explain them to Him???).

The silly gathering of the bride is so silly?
Those without oil did all the explaining.
How interesting you inadvertently grouped yourself in with the explainers.

So much worry over the trib.
Postribs are trib centered.

I myself, on the other hand, am looking for Jesus.
You have me as stupid, and foolish.

Jesus , however, has the ones without oil as the fools

Even the foolish were watching and waiting expectedly for Jesus.

There is not a postribber on the planet watching and preparing for Jesus.

.....and get this....not only are they off in that regard....but mock those that are doing what the wise virgins do.

All that with no red flags.

BTW, THERE IS NOT ONE SINGLE VERSE THAT SAYS THE RAPTURE IS AFTER THE TRIBULATION.
ZERO.

 

[Psalm1]

Talking my ear off about you pre-trib rapture false teaching using Literal Interpretation Method won't work when I know what the Bible already says.

Seriously, I will just watch for you waiting for your pre-trib rapture to wisk you away to safety....

What does it say?
What are the pretrib rapture verses?
Can you name one?

Name one of our verses.

I know all 2 of yours.

Name one of my 10.

 

[Psalm1]

The last days are so close, I'd rather see God the Father just play out what He has decreed in His Bible over any debate. He says the rapture will be after the great tribulation, so it will play out EXACTLY that way. If you disagree, tell Him He is wrong and why. Show Him your gobbledegook rational and explain it Him....

Also aren't you guys anticipating that God is going to question you about how you came to believe the pre-trib false teach (and the silly charts - how you are going to explain them to Him???).

You keep saying that.
Name your verses.

I will wait.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

You keep saying that.
Name your verses.

I will wait.

Okay! Keep waiting!

 

[Psalm1]

Yep.
Postib rapture doctrine .

Hands down, they do not know any verses.

It is actually the anti pretrib doctrine.

Postribbers Do not know why they believe what they believe. They only "know" that the pretrib rapture doctrine is incorrect.... in spite of the shellacking they recieve in open honest debate.

We littereally own end times.

 

[EddieM]

Why is this post empty? Who wrote the post that you are accusing of all these false beliefs?

 

[EddieM]

What does it say?
What are the pretrib rapture verses?
Can you name one?

Name one of our verses.

I know all 2 of yours.

Name one of my 10.

Oh, if i were only that simple

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

Oh, if i were only that simple

Precious friend, sure wasn't for me; took me 18 months to humbly/prayerfully/carefully
study All Of The Related Scriptures!:

The Great GRACE Departure! {aka rapture}

Outline!:

"Do all things Decently And In Order!" (1 Corinthians 14:40 AV)

(1A) PEACE With God! Receiving The Holy Spirit For understanding?
(1B) 1A e-x-p-a-n-d-e-d for Clarification?

(2a) Which Bible: AV, or, any "newer modern version" will suffice?
(2b) AV And God's Bible study Rules!

(3a) God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided! - Brief Introduction...
(3b) Three "Ages" Rightly Divided! = God's Timelines?

(4) Which "Gospel" Makes Way For Which "Gospel"?
(5) GREAT Tribulation? or, tribulations/GREAT GRACE Departure!?

(6) Pre-TOJT GRACE Departure Expectations!?
(7) God's Heavenly UPlook For His Body!?

(8) Watching, Waiting, And Looking: For WHOM! or, For "signs"?
(9) God's Removal Of His Body Of CHRIST!:

(10) "Day Of CHRIST { Light }!" / Rightly Divided from {RDf}:
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \ "The Day Of The LORD [ Darkness ]!"?

(11) Confidence in death/resurrection, Or, in living/glorification!?
(12) CHRIST Will Come "Without Warning!"?

(13) The Two "Trumps" Of God, In His "Age Of GRACE"?
(14) Meeting Him "In The Air" Up To Heaven! vs U-turn (theology?)

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Back down To earth?

(15) Preparation For [ Israel's tribulation? OR: ]

The Judgment Seat Of Christ!? (1 Corinthians 3:8-15 AV)

(16) Post Departure Deception Question?
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Part 17 Conclusion:

God's Great GRACE Departure!

Amen.

Precious sister @Sanders seems to be the only one interested in any humble discussion.
Oh well...

 

[GaryA]

Perhaps there is only one hour between the descent of Jesus to the clouds, the first resurrection and rapture of the saints to meet Him in the air, until the descent of Jesus to the Mount of Olives?

These ones may be so.
1. Christ comes FOR His own in the air
2. All believers are translated into new bodies
8. It affects believers only
9. It is a time of joy
10. it occurs before the day of Wrath
11 No mention of Satan
15. The Tribulation begins.

What is your evidence for the following?

3. Christians are taken to the Father's House
4. There is no judgment on the earth
5. The Church will be in Heaven
6. It is an imminent occurrence
7. There are no signs preceding it
12. The Judgment Seat of Christ happens next
13. There is the marriage of the Lamb
14. Only Christ's own will see him

All the below may be so.

At the Second Coming:
1. Christ comes WITH his own
2. No Translation of bodies
3. resurrected saints remain on earth
4. Christ judges the inhabitants of the earth
5. Christ sets up his kingdom on earth
6. It can not occur until the seven-year Trib period
7. The are numerous signs preceding it
8. It affects all humanity
9. It is a time of mourning
10. It occurs after the Tribulation
11. Satan is bound in abyss 1,000 years
12. No judgment seat of Christ
13. His bride descends with him to earth
14. Every eye will see him
15. The millennial reign of Christ begins

While I am not in agreement with every single line of your post - I applaud you for having the aim of trying to answer the important questions regarding what the Bible does-and-does-not say.

I suggest that the time factor of your question is roughly the amount of time it takes for the Wrath of God to be "poured out" upon the earth - maybe just a bit longer...