Here are the differences between the last two prophetic comings of Christ (the Rapture vs Second Coming)

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GaryA said:
No one makes a covenant with anyone in Daniel 9; however, [Jesus] confirms [the already existing covenant] 'for one week'.

That 'week' ended in 34 A.D. - when the [continuous/unbroken] 70 weeks of Daniel also ended. It is fulfilled. It is past history.

This is the proper interpretation of Daniel 9.

Those who believe there is a 'covenant'/'treaty' between an antichrist figure and Israel represented in Daniel 9 are woefully misinterpreting scripture.
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Dan 9:26
And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:

Dan 9:27
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

כָּרַת kârath, kaw-rath'; a primitive root; to cut (off, down or asunder); by implication, to destroy or consume; specifically, to covenant (i.e. make an alliance or bargain, originally by cutting flesh and passing between the pieces):—be chewed, be con-(feder-) ate, covenant, cut (down, off), destroy, fail, feller, be freed, hew (down), make a league (covenant), × lose, perish, × utterly, × want.

I think Daniel means Messiah confirms the New covenant with the Jews in particular for seven years (one week of years) , confirming the coming covenant for three and a half years after His baptism and before His death; and being cut off to make/cut the covenant in the midst of the seven years,; and confirming the New covenant to the Jews in particular after His death for another three and a half years until persecution following the death of Stephen scatter the Christian Jews and th.e Gospel began to be confirmed to Samaritans and then other Gentiles.
 
GRACE_ambassador said:
Precious friend, sure wasn't for me; took me 18 months to humbly/prayerfully/carefully
study All Of The Related Scriptures!:

The Great GRACE Departure! {aka rapture}

Outline!:

"Do all things Decently And In Order!" (1 Corinthians 14:40 AV)

(1A) PEACE With God! Receiving The Holy Spirit For understanding?
(1B) 1A e-x-p-a-n-d-e-d for Clarification?

(2a) Which Bible: AV, or, any "newer modern version" will suffice?
(2b) AV And God's Bible study Rules!

(3a) God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided! - Brief Introduction...
(3b) Three "Ages" Rightly Divided! = God's Timelines?

(4) Which "Gospel" Makes Way For Which "Gospel"?
(5) GREAT Tribulation? or, tribulations/GREAT GRACE Departure!?

(6) Pre-TOJT GRACE Departure Expectations!?
(7) God's Heavenly UPlook For His Body!?

(8) Watching, Waiting, And Looking: For WHOM! or, For "signs"?
(9) God's Removal Of His Body Of CHRIST!:

(10) "Day Of CHRIST { Light }!" / Rightly Divided from {RDf}:
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \ "The Day Of The LORD [ Darkness ]!"?

(11) Confidence in death/resurrection, Or, in living/glorification!?
(12) CHRIST Will Come "Without Warning!"?

(13) The Two "Trumps" Of God, In His "Age Of GRACE"?
(14) Meeting Him "In The Air" Up To Heaven! vs U-turn (theology?)

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Back down To earth?

(15) Preparation For [ Israel's tribulation? OR: ]

The Judgment Seat Of Christ!? (1 Corinthians 3:8-15 AV)

(16) Post Departure Deception Question?
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Part 17 Conclusion:

God's Great GRACE Departure!

Amen.

Precious sister @Sanders seems to be the only one interested in any humble discussion.
Oh well...
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Grace Ambassador!

Hi and how are you my family member in Christ?

:) It is great to see you still persevering in God's word and with the saints! There will be those who are discouraging and we must keep looking to Jesus the author and finisher of our faith. I love the Word and in it is all the truth we will ever need. We must use wisdom in these days (always it has been this way just more blatant as God warned that false teachers would come and dwell among us and that is not new.) God's wonderful and holy Word is the bread of life! Please let me know how you are.

There is only peace in Jesus Christ,

Sanders....
 
Howdy said:
When you explain in a logical way how Revelation 20 fits your pre-trib rapture of the church, we will proceed with many verses.
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“But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭13:24-27‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 
GaryA said:
I can hear Jesus then responding with: For the same reason I allowed those in the Dark Ages to go through what they did...
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Why is it that modern-day 'pre-trib' folks who say that God would never let the 'Church' go through an expected future 'tribulation' not seem to realize or remember that the 'Church' went through the most horrible things during the Dark Ages?
 
Psalm1 said:
Postribs are trib centered.
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No - 'post-trib' folks are 'Second Coming of Christ' centered - 'pre-trib' folks are trib centered - they cannot accept the biblical reality of the 'trib' without a built-in safe-and-secure rescue rapture to keep them from having to think about them having to deal with it in reality. They are totally trib centered. They cannot get around it and refuse to go through it. They are "all about" avoiding the 'trib'. So - yes - they are totally trib centered.

Were you looking into a mirror when you said that to yourself and perhaps were not thinking about what you were saying?

If anyone in the whole wide world is "stuck" on the 'trib' - it is 'pre-trib' folks. There can be absolutely no doubt about that...
 
GaryA said:
No - 'post-trib' folks are 'Second Coming of Christ' centered - 'pre-trib' folks are trib centered - they cannot accept the biblical reality of the 'trib' without a built-in safe-and-secure rescue rapture to keep them from having to think about them having to deal with it in reality. They are totally trib centered. They cannot get around it and refuse to go through it. They are "all about" avoiding the 'trib'. So - yes - they are totally trib centered.

Were you looking into a mirror when you said that to yourself and perhaps were not thinking about what you were saying?

If anyone in the whole wide world is "stuck" on the 'trib' - it is 'pre-trib' folks. There can be absolutely no doubt about that...
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Correct. They are not at all getting ready to endure in Christ during what Jesus claims to be the very worst time ever.

Matthew 24:21
For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.

I really have to wonder how each and everyone of them will react when they see the antichrist right before their very eyes (probably on TV or streaming services) and they're still here.

There is a very good reason that the mention of the apostasy (or falling away or the rebellion) and the revealing of the antichrist are both in the same sentence. There is some sort of connection there

2 Thessalonians 2:3
Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.

There is some sort of connection there. I guess, when enough Christians no longer adhere to the truths of the Bible and only accept what their itching ears only want to hear, that the antichrist will be readily acceptable to everyone including these people who are apostate.


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GaryA said:
Why is it that modern-day 'pre-trib' folks who say that God would never let the 'Church' go through an expected future 'tribulation' not seem to realize or remember that the 'Church' went through the most horrible things during the Dark Ages?
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A non Sequitur.
 
GaryA said:
I get really tired of people suggesting that post-trib folks are not watching for Jesus. This is totally absurd and ridiculous!

We are watching for Jesus. We simply know that there are some things that must occur first before he arrives/comes.
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About like a person watches for and stands ready for the bus at the bus stop knowing it may come in a couple of days.

( will await your juvenile red x)
 
Psalm1 said:
About like a person watches for and stands ready for the bus at the bus stop knowing it may come in a couple of days.
No postribber is watching for Jesus.
Postrib doctrine is trib centered.
I have listened to many many postrib vids and teachings.
That is the difference, I know your doctrine. I study YOUR DOCTRINE.
You do NOT KNOW WHAT WE BELIEVE.
Your doctrine Is "anti pretrib rapture".

( will await your juvenile red x)
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GaryA said:
No - 'post-trib' folks are 'Second Coming of Christ' centered - 'pre-trib' folks are trib centered - they cannot accept the biblical reality of the 'trib' without a built-in safe-and-secure rescue rapture to keep them from having to think about them having to deal with it in reality. They are totally trib centered. They cannot get around it and refuse to go through it. They are "all about" avoiding the 'trib'. So - yes - they are totally trib centered.

Were you looking into a mirror when you said that to yourself and perhaps were not thinking about what you were saying?

If anyone in the whole wide world is "stuck" on the 'trib' - it is 'pre-trib' folks. There can be absolutely no doubt about that...
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You personally seem to hate pretribbers.

I debate many many postribs. My position for ALL END TIMES is the bride and groom.
The groom gathering the bride.

I am sure you will hate thst also.
Be sure and put your little red ex!

avoiding answering man to man.
 
Psalm1 said:
About like a person watches for and stands ready for the bus at the bus stop knowing it may come in a couple of days.
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Bad example. A valid example would be - the bus is only going to come by the bus stop one time - and, you are not sure exactly when - but, you know that you will see a particular thing happen first before the bus comes by. (i.e. - you know the bus is not coming "at just any moment now")

Psalm1 said:
( will await your juvenile red x)
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Whatsamatter - can't handle having someone disagree with you...?

(I don't give 'em out like candy - only when I truly disagree - and, usually only when I strongly disagree.)
 
GaryA said:
I don't hate anyone.

I still love a lot of 'pre-trib' people - they just happen to be wrong about the timing of the rapture - but, I still love 'em! :)


Okay... ;)
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i don't come here to play your juvenile games. If you can go man to man...fine,

Your red ex hit,run and hide is lame.
You are not very old are you?
 
GaryA said:
Bad example. A valid example would be - the bus is only going to come by the bus stop one time - and, you are not sure exactly when - but, you know that you will see a particular thing happen first before the bus comes by. (i.e. - you know the bus is not coming "at just any moment now")


Whatsamatter - can't handle having someone disagree with you...?

(I don't give 'em out like candy - only when I truly disagree - and, usually only when I strongly disagree.)
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Truth, Honesty, Love, Courage

...then plays his juvenile red ex,run and hide.
 
GaryA said:
I don't hate anyone.

I still love a lot of 'pre-trib' people - they just happen to be wrong about the timing of the rapture - but, I still love 'em! :)


Okay... ;)
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I have tried 2 different ways to PM you. In one method you have members blocked.

Just to try and deal with the hate you express.
 
GaryA said:
Bad example. A valid example would be - the bus is only going to come by the bus stop one time - and, you are not sure exactly when - but, you know that you will see a particular thing happen first before the bus comes by. (i.e. - you know the bus is not coming "at just any moment now")


Whatsamatter - can't handle having someone disagree with you...?

(I don't give 'em out like candy - only when I truly disagree - and, usually only when I strongly disagree.)
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Concept vs concept.....perfectly fine.
Your method is to malign and provoke other members.
I detest that red ex method you use.
It is degrading and nasty.

but you simply do not care.
So your attacking is personal.
No Christ like person will go out of their way to provoke and malign a brother.

Can you please invoke an ounce of Christlikeness and stop your nasty baloney????????
 
Psalm1 said:
If you are postrib then HE CAN NOT RETURN UNTIL........( FILL IN THE BLANK)

It would therefore be ridiculous to be looking for his coming.

You can not have it both ways.
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Can a person be looking forward to Christmas - knowing that Thanksgiving comes first before that?

Psalm1 said:
In fact, we are mocked and ridiculed over that exact issue.
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How so? For looking for the coming of the Lord 7 years after the coming of the Lord?
 
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