How many times can those of dead faith choose to accept Jesus and be saved?
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Why do you ask? Who, in your circle of friends and family, that you are praying for and ministering to, are “dead faiths”? Have you already prayer the prayer of salvation with them? What happened when you did?
So.. why are you made at God? I would imagine we’ve all been mad at God. Anyone who says they haven’t been is lying.
Hmm, well, you’ve talked about judgement, God getting your unbelieving relatives, people with dead faith, etc. Sure, you’re arrogant, but… is that all it is? Kind of boring if that’s it, and nothing more.
The question seems a little unclear but I believe my answer might help. In Matthew 18:21-22 Peter asked, 'Lord, if my friend does wrong things against me many times, how many times should I forgive him? Jesus replied "I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times"
In my understanding this verse in the bible Let us know that GOD forgives and accept us without a set number, there is no limit to the number of times GOD is willing to accept us back when we deviate from his way. You might be walking the path of GOD and along the line deviate from it. GOD is ever ready to accept you back but you truly have to have genuine repentance. If you are talking about salvation then salvation is once. We get saved once and when we fall short we ask for forgiveness not salvation.
In my understanding this verse in the bible Let us know that GOD forgives and accept us without a set number, there is no limit to the number of times GOD is willing to accept us back when we deviate from his way. You might be walking the path of GOD and along the line deviate from it. GOD is ever ready to accept you back but you truly have to have genuine repentance. If you are talking about salvation then salvation is once. We get saved once and when we fall short we ask for forgiveness not salvation.
Accept GOD as your Lord and Saviour. Surrender to him to come into your life to take control and direct your path.
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It's up to God and the condition of your heart. But be warned: with all of us, there comes a day when God gives up. So it’s better to come soon even Today. Who knows if you will be alive tomorrow? For the unsaved, death often comes like a thief in the night, and it happens so suddenly that even if you wanted to repent, it would be too late—you would be cut off.
Sorry, took so long life happens, I did' t want to be rude so I replied to all.
You can just jump to the conclusion at the bottom if you like.
Can't just keep things simple, my question is or was why do you think they were saved before being baptized and they received the Holy Ghost.
Q? JESUS says in John 3:5 we have to be born of water and of spirit to enter do you agree with JESUS?????
A, Yes. Do you agree with Jesus in John 4:10,14; 7:37-39?
So you do agree with JESUS when he says we have to be born of water and of spirit to enter.
Q, Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
A, That's it. Just believe in verse 43."
Now you saying that you don't believe we have to be born of water and of spirit to enter because in verse 43 they did not received the Holy Ghost or was baptized.
Q, Acts 44-47.
A, These Gentiles believed, received remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit along with the spiritual gift of tongues (which is ONLY for the body of Christ - 1 Corinthians 12) and were saved BEFORE water baptism.
Now your saying they were reborn AFTER they received the Holy Ghost in verse 44-45 but before they were baptized.
Q, Verse 48,
A, Water baptism "followed."
Again you are say they were reborn after they believed and received the Holy GHost.
Q, Peter the one with the keys to heaven knows to be reborn you have to be baptized in JESUS name and receive the Holy Ghost.
A, The phrase, "in Jesus' name" is not a reference to a rigid, salvation baptismal formula but a reference to authority. To baptize in Jesus’ name is to baptize in the authority of Jesus. In Matthew 28:19, Jesus clearly stated - "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit." The proper way to baptize in Jesus’ name, in the authority of Jesus is to "baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." False religions that reject the Trinity will reject Matthew 28:19.
I'm not going to get into the how to be baptized or the trinity because I'm just trying to figure out why you think they were reborn without being baptized or receiving the Holy Ghost.
Q, After he spoke the Holy Ghost landed on them and he COMMANDED them to be baptized.
AFTER they believed, received remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit, they were commanded to be baptized.
Why would you say they believed and received remission of sin THAT IS WHAT I WAN'T YOU TO PROVE OR ANSWER before they received the Holy Ghost.
Q, 1. Why do you think they were reborn for just believing?
A, I would not say "just" believing as if believing is insufficient. Believing is as good as the OBJECT that we place it in (which is the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ) and to downplay believing as if it's not enough is to downplay the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ as if it's not enough. In Ephesians 1:13 -In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise.
Now you saying there is more to it then just believing and of course your right, when we get baptized in JESUS name we DIE WITH HIM which we would not do that if we didn't believe in his death, burial and resurrection. Eph 1 just like I asked you about 1 Cor 15 what gospel is Paul speaking of? Again what gospel did you hear which lead to your salvation?
Q, 2. If that was true why is it recorded that the Holy Ghost landed on them and why did Peter command them to be baptized?
A, Believers receive the Holy Spirit after they believe and are saved then proceed to receive water baptism. We see this same pattern all through scripture with some exceptions that involve laying on of hands before receiving the Holy Spirit.
Again now you saying that we believe and received the Holy Ghost and we are saved then we get baptized. It's is not true that, that is the same pattern. JESUS fills us when he wants Acts 2 and 10 before they were baptiaed, Acts 8 and 19 after they were baptized.
Q, 3. Do you believe what JESUS said, we have to be born of water and of spirit.
A, Yes. I just don't believe your eisegesis.
Now you saying you do believe what JESUS says the we need BOTH to be reborn? Note: I'm not interpreting a text just sharing it.
Q, Why weren't they saved in first part of Acts like 10:4?
A, We see why in Acts 13 - And he told us how he had seen an angel standing in his house, who said to him, ‘Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon whose surname is Peter, 14 who will tell you words by which you and all your household will be saved.’ 15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell upon them, as upon us at the beginning. 16 Then I remembered the word of the Lord, how He said, ‘John indeed baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’ 17 If therefore God gave them the same gift (Holy Spirit) as He gave us when we believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could withstand God?” 18 When they heard these things they became silent; and they glorified God, saying, “Then God has also granted to the Gentiles repentance unto life.” It's just as I told you in post #53 - Faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:8,9; 16:31; 26:18). *Perfect Harmony*
That does not explain the question, since they believed in GOD why wasn't they reborn then?
Facts,
1. He was told to go and show them how to be saved.
2. The Holy Ghost fell on them like it did them in the beginning.
3. Peter remembered, john baptized with water but WE SHALL BE BAPTIZED WITH THE HOLY GHOST.
4. How could Peter WITHSTAND GOD so he baptized them.
A, You are full of questions but no answers. See Acts 15:7 - And when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up and said to them: “Men and brethren, you know that a good while ago God chose among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. 8 So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, 9 and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
AMEN so that answered all 4 questions?
Q, Back to Acts 19 I asked you have you received the Holy Ghost since you have believe?
A, Paul asked this question in verse 2, assuming they may have believed, yet their answer demonstrates they have not yet believed - “we have not so much as heard whether there is a Holy Spirit.” Paul further asked, "into what then were you baptized? They said, “into John’s baptism.” Then Paul said, “John indeed baptized with a baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe in Him who would come after him, that is, in Christ Jesus Christ.” When they heard this, they were afterwards baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. There would have been no need to re-baptize them if they had already believed in Jesus Christ unto salvation. These disciples of John needed further instructions to become believers in Christ Jesus then afterwards, they received the Holy Spirit after Paul laid hands on them (which is an exception and not the rule in every case of conversion).
You talk about MY eisegesis and here you are with your eisegesis.
Why would you say "There would have been no need to re-baptize them if they had already believed in Jesus Christ unto salvation. These disciples of John needed further instructions to become believers in Christ Jesus then afterwards, they received the Holy Spirit after Paul laid hands on them (which is an exception and not the rule in every case of conversion)."
Why do you question what Paul did? Do you know better then Paul? Paul knows how we are suppose to be baptized and he was just follow what JESUS showed him what we must do.
Q, When we get Acts 10:43 out of the way we can move onto Acts 13:38-39 OK?
A, I'm sure you would like to get Acts 10:43 out of the way since that verse proves faith remits sins which does not accommodate your biased church doctrine.
Your the one who said they were saved in Acts 10:43 and nothing else is necessary and still did not answer it.
Conclusion,
You said you believe what JESUS said in John 3:5, CAN'T enter without BOTH.
You said "since that verse (10:43) proves faith remits sins" IS A LIE FROM SATAN. How does that prove it?
Unless you can prove it? That is the question I am asking of you.
In your response you flip flopped, first you say all you need to do is believe, then you say you need to believe and receive the Holy Ghost.
You are saying people can be saved without getting rid of their sins.
The quesiion still remains WHY DO YOU SAY THEY WERE REBORN IN VERSE 10:43???
I don't think you will ever answer the question did you received the Holy Ghost like in acts 2:4 or 19:6 since you have belived?
You can just jump to the conclusion at the bottom if you like.
Can't just keep things simple, my question is or was why do you think they were saved before being baptized and they received the Holy Ghost.
Q? JESUS says in John 3:5 we have to be born of water and of spirit to enter do you agree with JESUS?????
A, Yes. Do you agree with Jesus in John 4:10,14; 7:37-39?
So you do agree with JESUS when he says we have to be born of water and of spirit to enter.
Q, Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
A, That's it. Just believe in verse 43."
Now you saying that you don't believe we have to be born of water and of spirit to enter because in verse 43 they did not received the Holy Ghost or was baptized.
Q, Acts 44-47.
A, These Gentiles believed, received remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit along with the spiritual gift of tongues (which is ONLY for the body of Christ - 1 Corinthians 12) and were saved BEFORE water baptism.
Now your saying they were reborn AFTER they received the Holy Ghost in verse 44-45 but before they were baptized.
Q, Verse 48,
A, Water baptism "followed."
Again you are say they were reborn after they believed and received the Holy GHost.
Q, Peter the one with the keys to heaven knows to be reborn you have to be baptized in JESUS name and receive the Holy Ghost.
A, The phrase, "in Jesus' name" is not a reference to a rigid, salvation baptismal formula but a reference to authority. To baptize in Jesus’ name is to baptize in the authority of Jesus. In Matthew 28:19, Jesus clearly stated - "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit." The proper way to baptize in Jesus’ name, in the authority of Jesus is to "baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." False religions that reject the Trinity will reject Matthew 28:19.
I'm not going to get into the how to be baptized or the trinity because I'm just trying to figure out why you think they were reborn without being baptized or receiving the Holy Ghost.
Q, After he spoke the Holy Ghost landed on them and he COMMANDED them to be baptized.
AFTER they believed, received remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit, they were commanded to be baptized.
Why would you say they believed and received remission of sin THAT IS WHAT I WAN'T YOU TO PROVE OR ANSWER before they received the Holy Ghost.
Q, 1. Why do you think they were reborn for just believing?
A, I would not say "just" believing as if believing is insufficient. Believing is as good as the OBJECT that we place it in (which is the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ) and to downplay believing as if it's not enough is to downplay the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ as if it's not enough. In Ephesians 1:13 -In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise.
Now you saying there is more to it then just believing and of course your right, when we get baptized in JESUS name we DIE WITH HIM which we would not do that if we didn't believe in his death, burial and resurrection. Eph 1 just like I asked you about 1 Cor 15 what gospel is Paul speaking of? Again what gospel did you hear which lead to your salvation?
Q, 2. If that was true why is it recorded that the Holy Ghost landed on them and why did Peter command them to be baptized?
A, Believers receive the Holy Spirit after they believe and are saved then proceed to receive water baptism. We see this same pattern all through scripture with some exceptions that involve laying on of hands before receiving the Holy Spirit.
Again now you saying that we believe and received the Holy Ghost and we are saved then we get baptized. It's is not true that, that is the same pattern. JESUS fills us when he wants Acts 2 and 10 before they were baptiaed, Acts 8 and 19 after they were baptized.
Q, 3. Do you believe what JESUS said, we have to be born of water and of spirit.
A, Yes. I just don't believe your eisegesis.
Now you saying you do believe what JESUS says the we need BOTH to be reborn? Note: I'm not interpreting a text just sharing it.
Q, Why weren't they saved in first part of Acts like 10:4?
A, We see why in Acts 13 - And he told us how he had seen an angel standing in his house, who said to him, ‘Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon whose surname is Peter, 14 who will tell you words by which you and all your household will be saved.’ 15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell upon them, as upon us at the beginning. 16 Then I remembered the word of the Lord, how He said, ‘John indeed baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’ 17 If therefore God gave them the same gift (Holy Spirit) as He gave us when we believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could withstand God?” 18 When they heard these things they became silent; and they glorified God, saying, “Then God has also granted to the Gentiles repentance unto life.” It's just as I told you in post #53 - Faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:8,9; 16:31; 26:18). *Perfect Harmony*
That does not explain the question, since they believed in GOD why wasn't they reborn then?
Facts,
1. He was told to go and show them how to be saved.
2. The Holy Ghost fell on them like it did them in the beginning.
3. Peter remembered, john baptized with water but WE SHALL BE BAPTIZED WITH THE HOLY GHOST.
4. How could Peter WITHSTAND GOD so he baptized them.
A, You are full of questions but no answers. See Acts 15:7 - And when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up and said to them: “Men and brethren, you know that a good while ago God chose among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. 8 So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, 9 and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
AMEN so that answered all 4 questions?
Q, Back to Acts 19 I asked you have you received the Holy Ghost since you have believe?
A, Paul asked this question in verse 2, assuming they may have believed, yet their answer demonstrates they have not yet believed - “we have not so much as heard whether there is a Holy Spirit.” Paul further asked, "into what then were you baptized? They said, “into John’s baptism.” Then Paul said, “John indeed baptized with a baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe in Him who would come after him, that is, in Christ Jesus Christ.” When they heard this, they were afterwards baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. There would have been no need to re-baptize them if they had already believed in Jesus Christ unto salvation. These disciples of John needed further instructions to become believers in Christ Jesus then afterwards, they received the Holy Spirit after Paul laid hands on them (which is an exception and not the rule in every case of conversion).
You talk about MY eisegesis and here you are with your eisegesis.
Why would you say "There would have been no need to re-baptize them if they had already believed in Jesus Christ unto salvation. These disciples of John needed further instructions to become believers in Christ Jesus then afterwards, they received the Holy Spirit after Paul laid hands on them (which is an exception and not the rule in every case of conversion)."
Why do you question what Paul did? Do you know better then Paul? Paul knows how we are suppose to be baptized and he was just follow what JESUS showed him what we must do.
Q, When we get Acts 10:43 out of the way we can move onto Acts 13:38-39 OK?
A, I'm sure you would like to get Acts 10:43 out of the way since that verse proves faith remits sins which does not accommodate your biased church doctrine.
Your the one who said they were saved in Acts 10:43 and nothing else is necessary and still did not answer it.
Conclusion,
You said you believe what JESUS said in John 3:5, CAN'T enter without BOTH.
You said "since that verse (10:43) proves faith remits sins" IS A LIE FROM SATAN. How does that prove it?
Unless you can prove it? That is the question I am asking of you.
In your response you flip flopped, first you say all you need to do is believe, then you say you need to believe and receive the Holy Ghost.
You are saying people can be saved without getting rid of their sins.
The quesiion still remains WHY DO YOU SAY THEY WERE REBORN IN VERSE 10:43???
I don't think you will ever answer the question did you received the Holy Ghost like in acts 2:4 or 19:6 since you have belived?
In Acts 10:43, these Gentiles believed in Him and immediately following they received the Holy Spirit, so they were born of water and the Spirit prior to receiving water baptism.
Believed, received the Holy Spirit, reborn BEFORE water baptism.
They received the Holy Spirit immediately upon believing and were reborn BEFORE water baptism.
Why is this so hard for you to figure out? They believed, received the Holy Spirit and were reborn BEFORE water baptism. (Acts 10:43-47) It's crystal clear.
The evidence is overwhelming that these Gentles believed, received the gift of the Holy Spirit, spoke in tongues, magnified God, and were saved and a part of the body of Christ BEFORE they were water baptized. Certain Jews may have wanted to forbid them from being baptized because of their unacceptance of the Gentiles, but Peter clearly states that SURELY NO ONE CAN REFUSE. These Gentiles were clearly SAVED BEFORE WATER BAPTISM, and the Holy Spirit was proof of this.
Romans 8:9 - But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. If one has received the Holy Spirit they "belong" to Christ. To belong to Christ does not describe the condition of a lost unbeliever but a saved believer - such was the case of these Gentiles BEFORE they were water baptized.
1 John 4:13 - By this we know that we abide in Him, and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit. Because they received the Holy Spirit, these Gentiles abided in God and God abided in them. To abide in God and to have God abide in you does not describe the condition of a lost unbeliever but a saved believer - such was the case of these Gentiles BEFORE they were water baptized.
Before they were water baptized, these Gentiles spoke in tongues and magnified God (Acts 10:46). *This spiritual gift of the Holy Spirit is ONLY for the body of Christ. (1 Corinthians 12) We do not receive the gift of tongues, which is only for the body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:4-12), without first receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit (indwelling, regenerating presence of the Holy Spirit). We don't receive "a" gift "of" the Holy Spirit until we first receive "the gift of the Holy Spirit" and these Gentiles clearly received the gift of the Holy Spirit BEFORE they were baptized. Why is this so hard for you to understand?
No, that is not what I'm now saying. There is not more to it than believing. When we believe we receive remission of sins. (Acts 10:43) When we believe the gospel we are sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise. (Ephesians 1:13) To die with Him and rise to walk in newness of life is signified but not procured in water baptism. Paul explains what gospel saves in 1 Corinthians 15:3-4, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures. That is the gospel we are to believe in order to be saved. (Romans 1:16)
So you now admit that Jesus fills us before baptism in Acts 2 and 10? In Acts 8 and 19, these were unique situations in which the Holy Spirit was delayed until the apostles laid hands on them. This act was part of the apostolic authority and the unity of the early church which was being established across cultural lines. The Jews for example were hostile towards the Samaritans.
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You are "adding" water baptism to the text. Believing is our part and us becoming reborn is God's part.
Simply believing in God is not enough to save. Even the demons believe in God, but they are not saved either. We must believe in the Lord Jesus Christ in order to be saved. (Acts 10:43; 11:17; 16:31) Do you not understand the difference?
I answered your questions.
I have no eisegesis here, only exegesis.
Because saved believers only need to be water baptized once and they had not yet believed in Jesus unto salvation.
I'm not questioning what Paul did. These disciples of John needed to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus and on hearing this, they were afterwards baptized. Paul knows what we must do in order to be saved and it was stated in Acts 16:31, "Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved, you and your household (if they also believe). Nothing there about baptism, which followed. (Acts 16:33)
They were saved in Acts 10:43 when they believed in Him and received remission of sins. Receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit is not something we do but what God does. We don't baptize ourselves by one Spirit into one body. The Holy Spirit does.
Yes and water is not baptism.
So, what Peter said in Acts 10:43 is not true? Whoever believes in Him receives remission of sins is a lie from Satan? What other requirements on our part do you see mentioned in Acts 10:43 along with "believes in Him" that causes us to have our sins remitted?
I already proved my point. You just don't have eyes to see or ears to hear.
All we need to do on our part. We believe which results in receiving remission of sins (our part) and then we receive the gift of the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit does the rest. That is not flip flopping. You are trying to be cunning but it's not working.
Not at all. Whoever believes in Him (our part) receives remission of sins. (Acts 10:43) That is our part in getting rid of our sins and the Holy Spirit does the rest. (John 3:5; John 4:10,14; 7:37-39; Titus 3:5) You are making this out to be much more complicated than it really is.
Believing in Him is our part in receiving remission of sins and becoming reborn and the Holy Spirit immediately causes us to receive remission of sins and regenerates us. I'm not saying we believe in Him and the Holy Spirit does nothing after that and we simply remit our own sins and regenerate ourselves with power that we do not have. Again, you are making this out to be much more complicated than it really is.
You seem to be absolutely obsessed with speaking in tongues. In Acts 2:4, being filled with the Holy Spirit and speaking in tongues here was for the purpose of the multitude that came together from different regions of the world to hear the gospel message in their own language. (Acts 2:6-12) This supernatural event allowed the apostles to proclaim the gospel to a diverse audience in their native tongues and authenticate that this miraculous event was from God. The result was about 3,000 people being added to their number that day. (Acts 2:41) Now why would I receive the Holy Spirit in the same manner? I wasn't alive during Pentecost. The purpose of the gift of tongues here was evangelistic and was not for self-promotion or personal edification.
Glad to meet you Melv.
Good to see you join the forum.
The OP/ original poster asked a question in a way that would lead one to the wrong conclusion by the way it was worded. I won't repeat myself since you can read my posts on the first page or two as my responses if you like.
The question that I asked comes up in the Bible from the Philippian jailor.
30And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? 31And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Notice the verb/action word that applies to Jesus. "Believe"
The man was to make Jesus Christ the Object of his belief/faith.
There's a most common mistake that preachers make when it comes to this subject.
They take portions of the Bible that teach works that Christians, in the family of God SHOULD do, and make those works requirements for unbelievers to be saved/born into the family of God.
As a son in my family, I had lots of responsibilities. As I grew I had harder things to do. However, in the hospital, Mom didn't put those requirements on me to be born did she?
It's my birthday, so my gratitude for my precious Mom comes to mind.
The book that best describes the simplicity of the Gospel is the Book of John.
30And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: 31But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
I really trying to figure out how to keep this simple and you with scripture show me where in Acts 10:43 they were saved.
You say,
Because saved believers only need to be water baptized once and they had not yet believed in Jesus unto salvation.
You said.
They were saved in Acts 10:43 when they believed in Him and received remission of sins. Receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit is not something we do but what God does. We don't baptize ourselves by one Spirit into one body. The Holy Spirit does.
I sure do agree that JESUS is the one who fills us but it still happens today.
You say,
So, what Peter said in Acts 10:43 is not true? Whoever believes in Him receives remission of sins is a lie from Satan? What other requirements on our part do you see mentioned in Acts 10:43 along with "believes in Him" that causes us to have our sins remitted?
43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
Peter said if you believe you SHALL receive remission of sin NOT YOU DO receive remission of sins.
shall, meaning
1. (in the first person) expressing the future tense.
"this time next week I shall be in Scotland"
2. expressing a strong assertion or intention.
What you are up against is the first message on how to be saved, you need to prove Peter wrong.
Acts 2:38-39
King James Version
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Notice how to get rid of sins are very clear.
Notice the PROMISE of receiving the Holy Ghost is FOR ALL and you SHALL receive it, as we know some get it before being baptised some after BUT BAPTISM WAS A FACT IN EVERY CASE.
Questions,
1. So why do you say they were saved in verse 10:43?
2. Where does it say that they were saved or and they received remission of sins in Acts 10:43??
3. If in Acts 10 they shall receive remission of sins, when did they get rid of them?
4. What is the water that JESUS mentions in John 3:5?
5. What is the purpose of water baptism?
6. Is there ANY CHANCE you can show me where we "believed in Jesus unto salvation."
Do you believe "receives remission of sins" = still lost or saved? If we receive remission of sins then we are saved and those who believe in Him receive remission of sounds. (Acts 10:43) Simple.
Correct. These disciples of John received John's baptism but still needed to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus. (Acts 19:3-4)
I'm not saying that nobody can be filled with the Holy Spirit today. Now although all believers receive the gift of the Holy Spirit upon conversion, not all believers are filled and speak in tongues.
Shall, will upon believing.
Immediate future/immediate reception of forgiveness of sins.
I'm not out to prove Peter wrong. I'm out to properly harmonize scripture with scripture before reaching my conclusion on doctrine. There are no contradictions in God's word.
In Acts 2:38, "for the remission of sins" does not refer back to both clauses, "you all repent" and "each one of you be baptized," but refers only to the first. Peter is saying "repent unto the remission of your sins," the same as in Acts 3:19. The clause "each one of you be baptized" is parenthetical. This is exactly what Acts 3:19 teaches except that Peter omits the parenthesis.
In Acts 10:43, we read ..whoever believes in Him receives remission of sins. Again, these Gentiles received the gift of the Holy Spirit - Acts 10:45 - when they believed on the Lord Jesus Christ - Acts 11:17 - (compare with Acts 16:31 - Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved) BEFORE water baptism - Acts 10:47. This is referred to as repentance unto life - Acts 11:18.
Yes, how to get rid of sins is very clear. Faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit. (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17-18; 13:38-39; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18) *Perfect Harmony*
Because Peter clearly said, whoever believes in Him receives remission of sins. When will you believe?
It says those who believe will receive remission of sins and those who receive remission of sins are saved. Simple.
Immediate future upon believing.
It's not water baptism. Jesus connects living water with everlasting life and the Holy Spirit. (John 4:10,14; 7:37-39) Water is also used in scripture as an emblem of the word God, in which it is associated with cleansing or washing. (John 15:3; Ephesians 5:26)
Water baptism is a symbol of salvation in that it pictures Christ's death, burial and resurrection and our identification with Him in these experiences.
Believes in Hin/receives remission of sins/by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things/the gospel of Christ is the power of God unto salvation for everyone who believes. (Acts 10:43; 13:38-39; Roman 1:16) Do you need the specific words "unto salvation" spelled out for you in scripture in order for you to figure out that "receives remission of sins" and "justified from all things" and "the gospel of Christ is the power of God unto salvation for everyone who believes" is unto salvation? This is not hard to understand. It's just hard for you to accept.
JUST SHOW ME WHERE JUST BELIEVING GETS US REBORN.
IT HAS TO BE CLEAR BECAUSE YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT.
NO NEED FOR YOUR THOUGHTS OR PERSONAL OPINION, JUST USE HIS WORD.