Are you going to tone down your rhetoric, or are you going to keep acting like I owe you something?
Relax. Get some sleep. Plenty of time tomorrow to discuss things.
Free will verses permissive will
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Relax. Get some sleep. Plenty of time tomorrow to discuss things.
No but you owe it to yourself. I'm good lol won't be sleeping until 6 am I'm on cttv night duty monitoring for my boss for the next two weeks, he's giving me a break from telephone sales
How about this passage folks
This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel after that time,” declares the LORD. “I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people.
I mean if this is not clear proof of God actives will becoming his permissive will in people what is ?
This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel after that time,” declares the LORD. “I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people.
I mean if this is not clear proof of God actives will becoming his permissive will in people what is ?
Well good day folks
I thought this post would be better suited to this thread, and I hope your having a lovely day.
Taking about God's will we can see that his will is expressed in many ways, but the question should they all be separated in to different categories ?
Surely his will is his will, whether or not it's his sovereign plan, or whether he using his will to take back what has been stolen from him, or whether hes willing a person to change, or whether or not he's going against the will of person, in order that he can do what his sovereign plan declares from the beginning, before you where even born, where you had no choice in the matter then,
Or whether or not he puts his will in a persons heart .
So we will now look at the most rejected an unlearned scripture on this forum
Ephesians
In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will,
Here we will see someone predestined before there born to be saved
Galatians 1:15 Paul
But when God, who set me apart from my mother’s womb and called me by his grace
Did God call Paul by grace in his mothers womb,
And set him apart for what ?
Your answer is here as to what he was set apart for and when he called him by grace,
Acts 9
But the Lord said to Ananias, “Go! This man is my chosen instrument to proclaim my name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel. 16 I will show him how much he must suffer for my name.”
Then Ananias went to the house and entered it. Placing his hands on Saul, he said, ‘Brother Saul, the Lord – Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here – has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit.’ 18 Immediately, something like scales fell from Saul’s eyes, and he could see again. He got up and was baptised, 19 and after taking some food, he regained his strength.
This was God knowing the day Paul will be filled with the holy spirit, when Paul was in his mother's womb,
but what happend before he was filled with the holy spirit.
Well God did something else with his divine powerful will, he put his goad in Paul by his divine power, ie he did what he does with all unsaved people, he used his word to prick Pauls conscience, Which is God using his will to against the will of a person,..
But the free will argument will say that's being forceful
Is it ?
Is it really
Well how about putting free will into a naturally wicked heart then
What would you call that ?
I know sanctuary, right yeah, excuse me why I go and bash my head in
I thought this post would be better suited to this thread, and I hope your having a lovely day.
Taking about God's will we can see that his will is expressed in many ways, but the question should they all be separated in to different categories ?
Surely his will is his will, whether or not it's his sovereign plan, or whether he using his will to take back what has been stolen from him, or whether hes willing a person to change, or whether or not he's going against the will of person, in order that he can do what his sovereign plan declares from the beginning, before you where even born, where you had no choice in the matter then,
Or whether or not he puts his will in a persons heart .
So we will now look at the most rejected an unlearned scripture on this forum
Ephesians
In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will,
Here we will see someone predestined before there born to be saved
Galatians 1:15 Paul
But when God, who set me apart from my mother’s womb and called me by his grace
Did God call Paul by grace in his mothers womb,
And set him apart for what ?
Your answer is here as to what he was set apart for and when he called him by grace,
Acts 9
But the Lord said to Ananias, “Go! This man is my chosen instrument to proclaim my name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel. 16 I will show him how much he must suffer for my name.”
Then Ananias went to the house and entered it. Placing his hands on Saul, he said, ‘Brother Saul, the Lord – Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here – has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit.’ 18 Immediately, something like scales fell from Saul’s eyes, and he could see again. He got up and was baptised, 19 and after taking some food, he regained his strength.
This was God knowing the day Paul will be filled with the holy spirit, when Paul was in his mother's womb,
but what happend before he was filled with the holy spirit.
Well God did something else with his divine powerful will, he put his goad in Paul by his divine power, ie he did what he does with all unsaved people, he used his word to prick Pauls conscience, Which is God using his will to against the will of a person,..
But the free will argument will say that's being forceful
Is it ?
Is it really
Well how about putting free will into a naturally wicked heart then
What would you call that ?
I know sanctuary, right yeah, excuse me why I go and bash my head in
maybe you think in being impatient, but I can assure I can be far more impatient than in anyway you think I have.
Patience was something I struggled with along time ago.
I would quite often push to hard when I was racing out of a corner. Or i would quite often send it to much approaching a corner, then over shoot the corner, but i eventually learned to win a race.
Another problem I had with patience was putting up with people But i learned to through holding on to my heart, and I became a captain and a very good captain, helping our soccer team to win the county cup.
A cup that has the best team from every league in England for 3 years running. And I did it by making peoples mistakes better, in 3 season and over 50 different games my defense conceded only 5 goals.
Patience is also something God hold valuable in his will.
And I have been very patient with it too.
The question is Simple can you see Gods active will in his word.
You answered yes
Does his active word live in a person
and this is battle of wills it's not permissive to me to be inpatient.
Gods will sees to that, as all I have to do is knock on my heart and ask him to control my patience,
You might have all day and all night to respond to posts. I don't. I will post when I have opportunity to post.on second thoughts I'm wondering is this your idea of not answering
Now... since you have posted several things since yesterday, perhaps you would be kind enough to review and point me to specific posts of yours for which you are requesting a response.
I'll let you re-read them for your self dating back to yesterday, should only take you 5 mins oh kind sir
You can answer my question first.I'll let you re-read them for your self dating back to yesterday, should only take you 5 mins oh kind sir
I'm not being impatient at all. Rather, I'm stating a boundary: I'm not going to answer any more questions of yours until you answer mine.
oh well I guess where two pawns stuck in a state of permissive will thenI'm not being impatient at all. Rather, I'm stating a boundary: I'm not going to answer any more questions of yours until you answer mine.
Good day again folks
Today's food is a good question
We know that Jesus often taught in parables and there was always a message that often gets missed.
I wonder in my search for soul searching could I find a soul that could answer a souls searching question I was asked a long time again.
Here's the question
Jesus said in reply, “O unbelieving and perverse generation, how much longer shall I remain with you? How much longer must I put up with you? Bring the boy here to me.” 18 Then Jesus rebuked the demon, and it came out of the boy, and he was cured from that very moment.
19 Then the disciples came to Jesus and asked him privately, “Why were we not able to cast it out?” 20 He answered, “Because you have such little faith. Amen, I say to you, if you have faith as tiny as a mustard seed, you will be able to say to this mountain: ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you. [
The question is,
in scripture the passage before the lords faith has no problem casting the bad spirit out.
But yet the people with very little faith could not.
Then Jesus said if you have faith the size of a mustard seed you will be able to tell things to move, is he saying and they will obey ? Must be surely
My thoughts are well Jesus is saying if you have my faith living in you, because obviously a seed is a gift given internally when expressed by Jesus. Is he saying the demon would of obeyed.
But is he also saying if you have my faith you would also obey me ?
Because obviously the demon obeyed Jesus, so who's faith did they have at that stage ? When the demon didn't obey
Today's food is a good question
We know that Jesus often taught in parables and there was always a message that often gets missed.
I wonder in my search for soul searching could I find a soul that could answer a souls searching question I was asked a long time again.
Here's the question
Jesus said in reply, “O unbelieving and perverse generation, how much longer shall I remain with you? How much longer must I put up with you? Bring the boy here to me.” 18 Then Jesus rebuked the demon, and it came out of the boy, and he was cured from that very moment.
19 Then the disciples came to Jesus and asked him privately, “Why were we not able to cast it out?” 20 He answered, “Because you have such little faith. Amen, I say to you, if you have faith as tiny as a mustard seed, you will be able to say to this mountain: ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you. [
The question is,
in scripture the passage before the lords faith has no problem casting the bad spirit out.
But yet the people with very little faith could not.
Then Jesus said if you have faith the size of a mustard seed you will be able to tell things to move, is he saying and they will obey ? Must be surely
My thoughts are well Jesus is saying if you have my faith living in you, because obviously a seed is a gift given internally when expressed by Jesus. Is he saying the demon would of obeyed.
But is he also saying if you have my faith you would also obey me ?
Because obviously the demon obeyed Jesus, so who's faith did they have at that stage ? When the demon didn't obey
In John 10:10 Jesus said the devil comes to steal, kill, and to destroy.
So when Cain killed Able this was obviously the devil's will that Cain was fulfilling.
If someone claimed it was God's will for Able to be killed by Cain then this would be claiming Jesus lied.