Does Jesus and Paul contradict each other?

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So your saying god is no longer honoring his covenant with the Jews through jewdaism.
I do not thing we are saying that the word of God says that this is why the word uses Circumcision and uncircumcision
which those justified by the law and those who are justified by faith in Christ. The law will not save you. That is what Paul is saying and he was not the only one. Jesus told Peter in Acts don't call common and unclean what God has called clean Acts 10.
 
So Jews are now godless?
No one’s Godless . Those human beings jew and gentile who rejects Jesus Christ and the gospel are very doomed however there’s no other salvation for a Jew or a gentile if you reject him
 
“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬
Romans 2:13
For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous.
 
Romans 2:13
For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous.


did you read he full chapter ? FYI chapter context starts in Chapter one if you read correctly.
 
“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬
Its through gods grace and the power of the Holy spirit one follows the law but paul is still saying you must folliw it. Its not through you and your power but gods so no one can boast
 
Romans 2:13
For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous.

“Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:4-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If anyone rejects Jesus and the gospel they are doomed simple stuff . Moses law saved no one ever in history even Moses died because of sin . Old Testament law of Moses was never sent to the world for salvation, Jesus word was that’s the true law

Not the word of Moses the word of Christ . Not Israel’s broken covenant but Israel’s promised new covenant , not an angel bearing his name but the son the promised high priest and messiah …

your simply looking at the wrong testament wrong testators word and wrong bloodshed and preisthood and sanctuary ect the old was just a pattern for the new
 
did you read he full chapter ? FYI chapter context starts in Chapter one if you read correctly.

2 Therefore you are inexcusable, O man, whoever you are who judge, for in whatever you judge another you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things. 2 But we know that the judgment of God is according to truth against those who practice such things. 3 And do you think this, O man, you who judge those practicing such things, and doing the same, that you will escape the judgment of God? 4 Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance? 5 But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, 6 who “will render to each one according to his deeds”: 7 eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; 8 but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath, 9 tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek; 10 but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who works what is good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. 11 For there is no partiality with God.

12 For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law 13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified; 14 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, 15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them) 16 in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel.


That is 100% what Jesu said and James, and many others including Paul. Romans 2:13 without before and after would be noting without chapter 1 and two which the context is not stated with Verse 13 of Chapter two.
 
Its through gods grace and the power of the Holy spirit one follows the law but paul is still saying you must folliw it. Its not through you and your power but gods so no one can boast
Naw Paul’s saying keeping the law saves no one lets try more modern English ?

“Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:19-20‬ ‭NIV‬‬


And he’s saying now that we’ve been set free from the law we can begin serving God by his spirit.

“So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. For when we were in the realm of the flesh, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:4-6‬ ‭

“Thou shalt not “ can’t save anyone it can only make you guilty when you sin and do what it says not to do . By not killing anyone I’m not actually doing any command of God I’m just restraining an evil inclination and motive some people have I literally have to not do anything to keep a “Thou shalt not “ the reason it’s like that is because of this

“We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to us.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭1:9-11‬ ‭NIV‬‬

You tell killers don’t kill and you tell liars don’t lie adulterers don’t commit adultery ect ect your telling them what they better not do

In the gospel we find out what God actually wants us to do and how he wants us to live and treat other people . Don’t stone people for thier sins like Moses commanded in the law forgive those who sin against you like Jesus taught in the gospel

don’t repay evil for evil and blow for blow and eye for eye like Moses taught in the law , turn the other cheek and bless those who persecute you like the lord Jesus taught in the gospel ect

jews are beloved by the lord like everyone else is now and he’s made a way for every Jew and gentile to be saved . Problem is many reject it both Jew and gentile . He’s the only way

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It doesn’t say “ Jews who don’t believe the gospel will be damned it says this if all creatures jew and gentile . “ all inclusive

cant cling to Judaism and also accept the gospel it doesn’t work there are two covenants one was broken like god told them it would be when he gave it to them …..but he made a new one with them now they have a new mediator not Moses but Jesus who’s all creations lord and king including thiers .
 
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Remember brothers and sisters. God keeps his word from Gen to Rev. If one tell you the word of God has errors or is in disagreement which The other in the word of God such as suggesting Paul and Jesus were not on the same Page, that is foolishness. And that Person should not be listen too for they are in error and unlearned in the word of God. The devil has been using this tactic sense the fall in the garden " Surely God said you would not die." Gen 3:4 . God must have contradicted himself. Jesus is not God, Paul changed the gospel.

etc... Lies from the pit of hell.
 
No thats what your saying. Your telling me that if a jew becomes christian that he is no longer bound to the covinant god made with the Jews because through christ they are no longer bound to the law. That would mean you are implying that the covinant the Jews honor is no longer valid. You would really upset the Jewish faith with this line of thought.
Learn how to spell. I’m not going to entertain your laziness.
 
Naw Paul’s saying keeping the law saves no one lets try more modern English ?

“Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:19-20‬ ‭NIV‬‬


And he’s saying now that we’ve been set free from the law we can begin serving God by his spirit.

“So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. For when we were in the realm of the flesh, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:4-6‬ ‭

“Thou shalt not “ can’t save anyone it can only make you guilty when you sin and do what it says not to do . By not killing anyone I’m not actually doing any command of God I’m just restraining an evil inclination and motive some people have I literally have to not do anything to keep a “Thou shalt not “ the reason it’s like that is because of this

“We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to us.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭1:9-11‬ ‭NIV‬‬

You tell killers don’t kill and you tell liars don’t lie adulterers don’t commit adultery ect ect your telling them what they better not do

In the gospel we find out what God actually wants us to do and how he wants us to live and treat other people . Don’t stone people for thier sins like Moses commanded in the law forgive those who sin against you like Jesus taught in the gospel

don’t repay evil for evil and blow for blow and eye for eye like Moses taught in the law , turn the other cheek and bless those who persecute you like the lord Jesus taught in the gospel ect

jews are beloved by the lord like everyone else is now and he’s made a way for every Jew and gentile to be saved . Problem is many reject it both Jew and gentile . He’s the only way

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It doesn’t say “ Jews who don’t believe the gospel will be damned it says this if all creatures jew and gentile . “ all inclusive

cant cling to Judaism and also accept the gospel it doesn’t work there are two covenants one was broken like god told them it would be when he gave it to them …..but he made a new one with them now they have a new mediator not Moses but Jesus who’s all creations lord and king including thiers .
So god will punish me for loving. What a cruel God.
 
Remember brothers and sisters. God keeps his word from Gen to Rev. If one tell you the word of God has errors or is in disagreement which The other in the word of God such as suggesting Paul and Jesus were not on the same Page, that is foolishness. And that Person should not be listen too for they are in error and unlearned in the word of God. The devil has been using this tactic sense the fall in the garden " Surely God said you would not die." Gen 3:4 . God must have contradicted himself. Jesus is not God, Paul changed the gospel.

etc... Lies from the pit of hell.
They dont contradict. Its Christians who contradict with their lies from the pit of hell