Nobody has been turned away from Christianity because of my stance; however, truth is exclusive, and Catholicism is not truth. If you want to learn about Catholicism, do your research elsewhere.
Do protestants have a reasonable non-Roman-Catholic explanation for John 20:22-23?
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Dino is correct. Cult activity is not allowed on this site. Such as the cult of Mary.
You're the tool if you think I'm defending the false teachings of catholicity
Jesus and His Apostles never once directed anybody to pray to mary so that is idolatry
Those that actually know the Lord pray directly to the Father in Jesus' Name as the Lord taught
If possible, can you teachus the prayers to Mary? List them in order or out of order at will please.
This should be hilarious!
The Protestants win.
Game over.
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Game over.
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agreed.... I don't have a clue what the prayers to Mary would be, because I don't pray to anyone but the Almighty....
Don’t waste any more time and save your peace by putting Blue155 on ignore. He uses a system where he copies and pastes answers into a system [very similar to AI] and the system automatically generates answers for him to just blindly copy and paste. He uses it very irresponsible, and you cannot have a rational and reasonable discussion with him as the result. Then, when all of this is pointed out to him, he ends up calling you a troll, or gets more AI style generated responses to try save his credibility, which is all but nothing.
No one is blacklisting here. Everyone make their own decisions.
Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Just trying to shine light for the needy here.
Were you born with the Holy Spirit at birth?
Tell us how?
Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
What? Dont tell me you are catholic? Never seen reaching like I have on this thread. Were you born with long arms?
How do your questions to DeanM relate to his post that you quoted?
Are you a Calvinist or Lutheran, etc.? Predestined? Jesus died for the whole world including the Catholic.
Btw, I'm just a believer of Christ and the Holy Bible.
None of the above. Close to Baptist I guess. I take it you have never heard the term "cult of Mary"?
I have and I've done some studies, what I'm posting is from various sources. I dont claim any credit. Have a read.
Catholics and Christians Have Differences
1. A different Church
2. A different Authority
3. A different Jesus
4. A different Gospel
5. A different Mary
6. A different view of sin
7. A different Path to Eternity
Christian
One Head Jesus
Join by Spirit Baptism
Sanctified by Truth
Spirit - led
Names enrolled in heaven
Two Ordinances
Contends for the faith
Proclaims the Gospel
One authority (scripture is the supreme authority in all matters of faith and practice)
Catholic
Two heads
Join by Water Baptism
Inclusive and tolerant (knew world religion)
Man-centred (listen to the Pope)
Members can go to hell
Seven Sacraments
Departed from faith
Distort the gospel of Christ
3 authorities (a. Scripture b. Tradition c. Infallible bishops)
No true authority, you feel good
Catholic Authority
Magisterium (The bishops and Pope call the shot) sit above below
Tradition + Scriptures
3. A different Jesus
Biblical Jesus - eternal life, complete forgiveness, permanent right standing with God, peace and assurance
Catholic Jesus - conditional life, partial forgiveness, residual sin remains, continuous striving to gain God's acceptance, uncertainty, fear, doubt and false hope
Calvary - offered by the sinless Son of God, for the living, one perfect finished, sufficient sacrifice, for all sin, bloody
The Mass - offered by a sinful man, for the living & dead, thousands of daily offerings are insufficient, for "past sins", bloodless
Catholicism Jesus -
he did not satisfy divine justice
he did not provide direct access to God
he did not make believers perfect forever
he did not secure salvation
he did not finish the world of redemption
Another Jesus Always Produces Another Gospel
The Catholic Jesus only made salvation possible, therefore Catholics have Another gospel to instruct them what they must Do to be saved.
The true Jesus has Done everything necessary to save sinners completely and forever, thus the Gospel Proclaims salvation by grace.
A Different Gospel
Biblical Salvation
is by grace through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ (Eph 2:8-9)
Those who believe anything else believe in vain (1 Cor 15:2)
Cursed are those who preach another gospel (Gal 1:19)
Catholic Salvation
is by faith plus Sacraments (their ref. 1129)
the Mass (1405)
Purgatory (1030)
Penance (980)
Indulgences (1498)
Baptism (1256)
Law Keeping (2068)
Good Works (2016)
Grace + merit
Faith + works
Christ + other mediators
Scripture + tradition
Glory to God + Mary & Saints
Opposing View of Justification
Roman Catholics
it is by grace + merit
it is a process - righteousness is infused by Sacraments
the duration of justification is temporal - lost by sin
God justifies those who are good
The Bible
it is by grace alone
it is instantaneous - righteousness is imputed
the duration of justification is eternal - never undone by sin
God justifies the ungodly (Rom 4:5)
Catholic doctrine of justification is antithetical to the biblical doctrine
One is revealed by God, the other invented by men
One is by grace, the other by merit
One offers divine assurance, the other a false hope
When the antithesis is compromised, the very meaning and purpose of the Gospel is lost.
WHEN YOU GET JUSTIFICATION WRONG, YOU GET THE GOSPEL WRONG
5. A Different Mary
Without a single sin to restrain her, she became the cause of salvation for herself and the whole human race (para 494)
As Mediattix, she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation (para 969)
6. A Different View of Sin
Catholicism declares venial sins "do not cause death, only temporal punishment." (para 1863)
This is a doctrine of demons that embraces Satan's first lie "You surely shall not die" if you disobey God (Gen 3:4; Tim 4:1)
All Sins Bring Divine Condemnation
Mortal sins are grave offenses that sever our friendship with God and, consequently, cause a loss of sanctifying grace. Anyone dying in a state of mortal sin would suffer eternal separation from God in Hell. Venial sins are lesser offenses that injure but do not destroy one's relationship with God.
God's wrath is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteous of men (Rom 1:18)
The wages of sin is death (Rom 6:23)
The soul who sins shall die (Eze 18:4)
The 2nd death is the eternal lake of fire (Rev 20:14)
The Trilogy of Deception - Venial Sins
Spiritual Deception
1st lie Purgatory- sin urged by fire. and how do you escape?
Led to 2nd lies
2nd lies Indulgences - time of punishment is reduced
7. A Different Path to Eternity
Mat 7: 13-15 Narrow way and Broadway, false teacher direct them to the broadway
Quran directly demotes Jesus Christ.
Catholicism had to be modified to adjust to the insider to demote Jesus Christ
1. A different Church
2. A different Authority
3. A different Jesus
4. A different Gospel
5. A different Mary
6. A different view of sin
7. A different Path to Eternity
Christian
One Head Jesus
Join by Spirit Baptism
Sanctified by Truth
Spirit - led
Names enrolled in heaven
Two Ordinances
Contends for the faith
Proclaims the Gospel
One authority (scripture is the supreme authority in all matters of faith and practice)
Catholic
Two heads
Join by Water Baptism
Inclusive and tolerant (knew world religion)
Man-centred (listen to the Pope)
Members can go to hell
Seven Sacraments
Departed from faith
Distort the gospel of Christ
3 authorities (a. Scripture b. Tradition c. Infallible bishops)
No true authority, you feel good
Catholic Authority
Magisterium (The bishops and Pope call the shot) sit above below
Tradition + Scriptures
3. A different Jesus
Biblical Jesus - eternal life, complete forgiveness, permanent right standing with God, peace and assurance
Catholic Jesus - conditional life, partial forgiveness, residual sin remains, continuous striving to gain God's acceptance, uncertainty, fear, doubt and false hope
Calvary - offered by the sinless Son of God, for the living, one perfect finished, sufficient sacrifice, for all sin, bloody
The Mass - offered by a sinful man, for the living & dead, thousands of daily offerings are insufficient, for "past sins", bloodless
Catholicism Jesus -
he did not satisfy divine justice
he did not provide direct access to God
he did not make believers perfect forever
he did not secure salvation
he did not finish the world of redemption
Another Jesus Always Produces Another Gospel
The Catholic Jesus only made salvation possible, therefore Catholics have Another gospel to instruct them what they must Do to be saved.
The true Jesus has Done everything necessary to save sinners completely and forever, thus the Gospel Proclaims salvation by grace.
A Different Gospel
Biblical Salvation
is by grace through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ (Eph 2:8-9)
Those who believe anything else believe in vain (1 Cor 15:2)
Cursed are those who preach another gospel (Gal 1:19)
Catholic Salvation
is by faith plus Sacraments (their ref. 1129)
the Mass (1405)
Purgatory (1030)
Penance (980)
Indulgences (1498)
Baptism (1256)
Law Keeping (2068)
Good Works (2016)
Grace + merit
Faith + works
Christ + other mediators
Scripture + tradition
Glory to God + Mary & Saints
Opposing View of Justification
Roman Catholics
it is by grace + merit
it is a process - righteousness is infused by Sacraments
the duration of justification is temporal - lost by sin
God justifies those who are good
The Bible
it is by grace alone
it is instantaneous - righteousness is imputed
the duration of justification is eternal - never undone by sin
God justifies the ungodly (Rom 4:5)
Catholic doctrine of justification is antithetical to the biblical doctrine
One is revealed by God, the other invented by men
One is by grace, the other by merit
One offers divine assurance, the other a false hope
When the antithesis is compromised, the very meaning and purpose of the Gospel is lost.
WHEN YOU GET JUSTIFICATION WRONG, YOU GET THE GOSPEL WRONG
5. A Different Mary
Without a single sin to restrain her, she became the cause of salvation for herself and the whole human race (para 494)
As Mediattix, she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation (para 969)
6. A Different View of Sin
Catholicism declares venial sins "do not cause death, only temporal punishment." (para 1863)
This is a doctrine of demons that embraces Satan's first lie "You surely shall not die" if you disobey God (Gen 3:4; Tim 4:1)
All Sins Bring Divine Condemnation
Mortal sins are grave offenses that sever our friendship with God and, consequently, cause a loss of sanctifying grace. Anyone dying in a state of mortal sin would suffer eternal separation from God in Hell. Venial sins are lesser offenses that injure but do not destroy one's relationship with God.
God's wrath is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteous of men (Rom 1:18)
The wages of sin is death (Rom 6:23)
The soul who sins shall die (Eze 18:4)
The 2nd death is the eternal lake of fire (Rev 20:14)
The Trilogy of Deception - Venial Sins
Spiritual Deception
1st lie Purgatory- sin urged by fire. and how do you escape?
Led to 2nd lies
2nd lies Indulgences - time of punishment is reduced
7. A Different Path to Eternity
Mat 7: 13-15 Narrow way and Broadway, false teacher direct them to the broadway
Quran directly demotes Jesus Christ.
Catholicism had to be modified to adjust to the insider to demote Jesus Christ