Does Jesus and Paul contradict each other?

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Jesus ascended to heaven in the physical body.

This isn't an answer that proves anything other than suggesting man was created the same as Jesus

Man wasn't m
Man was created the same as jesus. The only difference is that jesus lived by the spirit and not the flesh. He was also of a virgin birth. As I pointed out earlier the fruit of mary died and he was buried. He didn't rise again with the same body.He rised again with an eternal body.He rised as the fruit of god. According to your God, he can be seen. He can take human form. He can't be omnipresent because he was born in Jerusalem. And he is not
Pure and holy because he became a corrupted creation of death through the fruit of mary. In spirit , we agree. In body , we do not.
 
In spirit yes.
We believe in one God, the Father, the almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is, seen and unseen. We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, of one being with the Father. - Nicene Creed
 
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Man was created the same as jesus. The only difference is that jesus lived by the spirit and not the flesh. He was also of a virgin birth. As I pointed out earlier the fruit of mary died and he was buried. He didn't rise again with the same body.He rised again with an eternal body.He rised as the fruit of god. According to your God, he can be seen. He can take human form. He can't be omnipresent because he was born in Jerusalem. And he is not
Pure and holy because he became a corrupted creation of death through the fruit of mary. In spirit , we agree. In body , we do not.
How is immaculate conception the same creation m
 
ah well that depends m

One day we get a glorified body but will it be the like the new heart of flesh God gives us

Or is that heart of flesh a piece of the new body to come 🤩
I hope so I do not like the heart that I have.I pray that god would change it
 
We believe in one God, the Father, the almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is, seen and unseen. We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, of one being with the Father. - Nicene Creed
No, my friend. That is the creed that was meant to legalize Christianity to bring it under a universal standard.So the illegal christians would be wiped out , and the legal ones can come under imperial rule through the orthodox church.
 
Well it may be one of the reasons

Does there need to be just one reson

He was called the Messiah based on all the prophecies being fulfilled.

One of them was a Son would be born and his name will be ?
Massiah lol JK
 
Except for the 10 commandments otherwise I agree

The commandments telling a man “you shall not kill “ was given to a murderous ancient people . “Thou shalt not create idols and worship them as gods “ was given to an idolatrous people held as servants in the most idolatrous kingdom in earth at the time . “Thou shalt not steal “ is for thieves . Thou shalt not commit adultery “ is for adulterous people filled with lust and imaginations of fornications .

jesus doesn’t say “ thou shalt not commit adultery . He’s telling believers this stuff to keep them from ever committing adultery and to overcome temptations

The first was the Old Testament commandment the second is the New Testament judgement that convicts the heart before the action can ever take place so we repent before we go far astray and commit adultery .

“Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

( that’s one of the Ten Commandments)

but I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5:27-28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

One of these words is internal and can guide the Hearer away from the action that comes from the motivations within but the other is just a guard for a corrupt heart that already lusts and wants to commit adultery it’s just a warning for a sinner who doesn’t have the holy ghost we receive through Christ . A restraint from what thier heart wants thoer body to do the list they are trapped with . The commandment restrains but doesn’t help them or remit the sin it’s just a warning of sin and death like this

The commandment

“Thou shalt not commit adultery.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭20:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the judgement specific to that commandment

“And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.”
‭‭Leviticus‬ ‭20:10‬ ‭

it’s just this sin don’t do it , and here’s what must happen when you do. “


I’m not saying Jesus teaches people to lie and cheat and steal and commit adultery against the ten commandments

. I’m saying a commandment telling man “ don’t kill anyone else “ or you must surely be put to death “

Is part of an Old Testament system for humanity who never was filled with and born again through the Holy Spirit or had thier sins remitted by the blood of Christ . Those commands are meant for humans to try to live a holy life while internally they want to kill and lie and steal so they need a constant word “ hung around thier neck as a reminder “ don’t kill anyone “ don’t lie “ dont steal that other persons belongings “

that’s a good thing a good system , to try to be holy like God by not doing evil things ….before jesus came forth to the world but it’s not Christianity . it’s not the new covenant where there is repentance and remission of sins , new life in the spirit of Christ Jesus , or the promises of eternal salvation. It’s not the lord himself teaching mankind who will believe in him the way and the truth and the life

Its not Jesus teaching us how to live other people Gods way so we actually do fulfill his “ law of love “ as you call it

those ten “ thou shalt nots “those will be automatic in a new born Christian we dont seek to kill and steal and lie and cheat and commit adultery ect . So if we just learn to treat people as Jesus taught. Those commandments will be upheld never even needing to hear “ thou shalt not kill ….of course not I’m commanded to live others of course there’s no killing .

thou shalt not do this thou shalt not do that and don’t ever do this other thing …….that’s not Christian doctrine . It’s good and righteous not to kill or lie and steal but it’s just not our covenant or how god speaks to us .

He’s creating children who are like Jesus who turn the other cheek like Jesus when they smote his cheek . Like Jesus when they mocked and cursed him and persecuted him he blessed and forgave them for thier ignorance.

If Christian’s are struggling with wanting to kill others they really need to learn what Jesus taught , they should already know from societies laws “not to kill or you’ll be punished “

at hey need to know how to treat others rather than not to kill them if that’s the issue they may need some phsycoligical
Help or medications Christian believers who hear Jesus and follow him they don’t want to kill and commit adultery and lie and cheat everyone ect that’s for these folks

“knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane,

for murderers ( thou shalt not kill ) of fathers and murderers of mothers, ( honor mother and fether ) for manslayers, for whoremongers, ( thou shalt not commit adultery )

for them that defile themselves with mankind,

for menstealers,

for liars, ( thou shalt not lie )

for perjured persons, ( thou shalt not bear false witness )

and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭1:9-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s just a different testament it’s good for non believers but not for believers we need to let the Thou shalt nots go and turn to the “ do these things Jesus taught “ then killing isnt a worry …stealing isnt a problem … not commiting adultery isnt a struggle it’s a better testament and covenant with god in every way with a better law that heals and teaches rether than condemns and destroys law of the spirit of life rather than law of sin and death

learning to treat others how Jesus taught us to live the rest isn’t a concern

“Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭13:8-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:14‬ ‭

Treating others the right way in light of Christs live for us all is what’s required
 
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Immaculate conception is an RCC ex cathedra dogma concerning Mary, not Jesus.

For Jesus we say, virgin birth, or, born of a virgin.
is it never knew that always thought it meant Jesus being born perfect fully God in the flesh and free of sin.

Born the eternally begotten son everlasting father


The only time I think about catholics is when someone else mentions it
 
is it never knew that always thought it meant Jesus being born perfect fully God in the flesh and free of sin.

Born the eternally begotten son everlasting father

The only time I think about catholics is when someone else mentions it
Proper terminology is important to circumvent confusion of which there is much to begin with no thanks to the RCC lol.

But some even believe Mary did not conceive as Scripture says, but that Jesus was implanted, like IVF, making Mary a surrogate only.

The weirdness never ends...
 
Immaculate conception is an RCC ex cathedra dogma concerning Mary, not Jesus.

For Jesus we say, virgin birth, or, born of a virgin.
oh sorry do they mean Mary was sin free to and that's why they worship her

My head has just recalled something lol 😂
 
oh sorry do they mean Mary was sin free to and that's why they worship her

My head has just recalled something lol 😂
Yes, they claim she was spared the sin of being born after Adam, and the other ex cathedra dogma kind of goes hand-in-hand with this since, being sinless as they claim with no Biblical proof to back such a claim which contradicts other Scriptures, Mary did not need to suffer the pain of death which is the wages of sin, and RCC claims she was bodily assumed to heaven where she hears the prayers of the faithful, although they, the RCC, recently removed her status as co-mediatrix. This is progress...
 
Ah I forget lol I'll give my head a wobble, and wobble it out


It's gone now.

I once stood in a Catholic church as a kid well walked in actually and said you you shouldn't be worshipping Mary

They chucked me out 😂