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Some women led in the early church (Phoebe in Romans 16:1 was a deaconess, and Junia who was an apostle), and women prayed and prophesied (1 Cor. 11:13; Acts 21:9).
Phoebe (Bible) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Junia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
If 1 Cor 14:34-35 are legitimate (there is some evidence that are not), it must be as Seraphprincess said. Men ruled back then. Most men were educated, most women were not.
Also, what about women who were not married? Who would they ask?
(by the way, the fact that Paul says Junia was an apostle kinda blows certain people's theory that there were only the original 12, and no more, out of the water...(zone, are you reading this?)
)
Phoebe (Bible) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Junia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
If 1 Cor 14:34-35 are legitimate (there is some evidence that are not), it must be as Seraphprincess said. Men ruled back then. Most men were educated, most women were not.
Also, what about women who were not married? Who would they ask?
(by the way, the fact that Paul says Junia was an apostle kinda blows certain people's theory that there were only the original 12, and no more, out of the water...(zone, are you reading this?)
)
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Muy bien, felicidades! Well it depends on what area of Mexico you are planning to visit.The transit system there is very diff from the one here in the States, here it's better and maybe safer i think (i live in cali) ...in some areas I would suggest you to take a gun with you haha but in big cities like the capital, the transit system is much better. Always do some research on the city you're planning to visit, avoid cities where drug war crimes are high at the moment, and never take expensive things with you when traveling!
Well it depends on what area of Mexico you are planning to visit.The transit system there is very diff from the one here in the States, here it's better and maybe safer i think (i live in cali) ...in some areas I would suggest you to take a gun with you haha but in big cities like the capital, the transit system is much better. Always do some research on the city you're planning to visit, avoid cities where drug war crimes are high at the moment, and never take expensive things with you when traveling! 
Muy bien, felicidades! Well it depends on what area of Mexico you are planning to visit.The transit system there is very diff from the one here in the States, here it's better and maybe safer i think (i live in cali) ...in some areas I would suggest you to take a gun with you haha but in big cities like the capital, the transit system is much better. Always do some research on the city you're planning to visit, avoid cities where drug war crimes are high at the moment, and never take expensive things with you when traveling!
Well it depends on what area of Mexico you are planning to visit.The transit system there is very diff from the one here in the States, here it's better and maybe safer i think (i live in cali) ...in some areas I would suggest you to take a gun with you haha but in big cities like the capital, the transit system is much better. Always do some research on the city you're planning to visit, avoid cities where drug war crimes are high at the moment, and never take expensive things with you when traveling!
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I read the first 10 pages of responses and then skipped to the end. So, if someone rsponded with a similar bit of info, I apologize.
#1) Corinth was the home of the Temple of Diana. Ephesus was the home of the Temple of Artemus. Both were female fertility goddesses worshipped by the Corinthians and Ephesians.
#2) Timothy took of over as "associate pastor" in Ephesus.
#3) The temples were supported by temple prostitutes.
#4) Those prostitutes were getting saved.
#5) Paul did not want women who had formerly been prostitutes in a pagan temple to have leadership roles in the church.
Joel 2:28-32 and Acts 2:17 "Your sons and your daughters will prophesy." How will daughters prophesy if they do not preach?
Anna was a prophetess who never left the temple, but spoke of the Lord to all that looked for redemption in Israel. If she never left the Temple, but spoke of the Lord to all, she must have been talking in church....
#1) Corinth was the home of the Temple of Diana. Ephesus was the home of the Temple of Artemus. Both were female fertility goddesses worshipped by the Corinthians and Ephesians.
#2) Timothy took of over as "associate pastor" in Ephesus.
#3) The temples were supported by temple prostitutes.
#4) Those prostitutes were getting saved.
#5) Paul did not want women who had formerly been prostitutes in a pagan temple to have leadership roles in the church.
Joel 2:28-32 and Acts 2:17 "Your sons and your daughters will prophesy." How will daughters prophesy if they do not preach?
Anna was a prophetess who never left the temple, but spoke of the Lord to all that looked for redemption in Israel. If she never left the Temple, but spoke of the Lord to all, she must have been talking in church....
J
Some women led in the early church (Phoebe in Romans 16:1 was a deaconess, and Junia who was an apostle), and women prayed and prophesied (1 Cor. 11:13; Acts 21:9).
Phoebe (Bible) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Junia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
If 1 Cor 14:34-35 are legitimate (there is some evidence that are not), it must be as Seraphprincess said. Men ruled back then. Most men were educated, most women were not.
Also, what about women who were not married? Who would they ask?
(by the way, the fact that Paul says Junia was an apostle kinda blows certain people's theory that there were only the original 12, and no more, out of the water...(zone, are you reading this?))
Phoebe (Bible) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Junia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
If 1 Cor 14:34-35 are legitimate (there is some evidence that are not), it must be as Seraphprincess said. Men ruled back then. Most men were educated, most women were not.
Also, what about women who were not married? Who would they ask?
(by the way, the fact that Paul says Junia was an apostle kinda blows certain people's theory that there were only the original 12, and no more, out of the water...(zone, are you reading this?)
)
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Do the same amount of historical research on Anna...what she did and where she spoke according to Jewish
law and give that information as well as you did with the facts you gave of what you think was unique in Corinth.
Also add 1 Cor 14:33 the verse before v34 which tells this order is to "all churches" and also the rest of the epistles on the subject. And the bible at large.
Do the same amount of historical research on Anna...what she did and where she spoke according to Jewish
law and give that information as well as you did with the facts you gave of what you think was unique in Corinth.
Also add 1 Cor 14:33 the verse before v34 which tells this order is to "all churches" and also the rest of the epistles on the subject. And the bible at large.
J
Also. Please read the verses again. It says "Greet Andronicus and Junia, my country men and my fellow prisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me."
That could be interpreted in two ways:
1) they were well known TO the apostles as special people - NOT apostles, but known to the apostles
2) they were apostles who were "eyewitnesses of the life of Jesus". They had to be eyewitnesses because there are other scriptures which tell us that an apostle needs to be an eyewitness. Here it says that they were believers BEFORE Paul was converted. So it is possible that they heard Jesus preach. Paul became a believer quite early on.
Also, as stated above, there is no clear indication that Junia was a woman, actually the contrary. Context (as always) is the key. If the scriptures are clear that women should not have authority over men then other (vague) scriptures CANNOT be contradictory. Therefore by comparing scripture with scripture we should arrive at the correct interpretation.
That could be interpreted in two ways:
1) they were well known TO the apostles as special people - NOT apostles, but known to the apostles
2) they were apostles who were "eyewitnesses of the life of Jesus". They had to be eyewitnesses because there are other scriptures which tell us that an apostle needs to be an eyewitness. Here it says that they were believers BEFORE Paul was converted. So it is possible that they heard Jesus preach. Paul became a believer quite early on.
Also, as stated above, there is no clear indication that Junia was a woman, actually the contrary. Context (as always) is the key. If the scriptures are clear that women should not have authority over men then other (vague) scriptures CANNOT be contradictory. Therefore by comparing scripture with scripture we should arrive at the correct interpretation.
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In Galatians 2:9, Paul refers to John as "John". Junia is not John. Even if Junia is a man, he was an apostle. An apostle is a gift ministry (Eph 4:11) "for the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ". Nowhere does it say there were only to be 12.
..but that's OT for this thread.
I've seen some wonderful woman teachers. Anyone qualified can teach.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
..but that's OT for this thread.
I've seen some wonderful woman teachers. Anyone qualified can teach.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
J
See my last post. The scriptures do not categorically say that Andronicus and Junia were apostles. It could be stating that they were outstanding people known to the apostles. Check this article out:
Who Is Junias and Was he/she an apostle
Who Is Junias and Was he/she an apostle
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"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished." - Matthew 5:17-18
"To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be holy, together with all those everywhere who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ-their Lord and ours" - 1 Corinthians 1:2
"For God is not a God of disorder but of peace. As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. Did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached? If anybody thinks he is a prophet or spiritually gifted, let him acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord's command. If he ignores this, he himself will be ignored." -1 Corinthians 14:33-38
This is as clear as it gets. It follows Jesus' own words that the Law is still in effect and to be obeyed, it follows the greeting to not just the church in Corinth but to all those everywhere, and it is entirely in context.
(Because, as I said before, the broken-record method is AWESOME!)
"To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be holy, together with all those everywhere who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ-their Lord and ours" - 1 Corinthians 1:2
"For God is not a God of disorder but of peace. As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. Did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached? If anybody thinks he is a prophet or spiritually gifted, let him acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord's command. If he ignores this, he himself will be ignored." -1 Corinthians 14:33-38
This is as clear as it gets. It follows Jesus' own words that the Law is still in effect and to be obeyed, it follows the greeting to not just the church in Corinth but to all those everywhere, and it is entirely in context.
(Because, as I said before, the broken-record method is AWESOME!)
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[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]#1) The letter is addressed to the Corinthian Church. The use of “with all” in Chapter 1, verse 2 is obviously saying to the Corinthians that they are included with all the saints, not that the letter is addressed to all saints. Otherwise, 1 Cor 1:11, 12 applies to all churches, which it clearly cannot. Chapter 5, verse 1, and 16:1-8 are specific to Corinth.[/FONT]
[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]#2) MissCris conveniently re-arranged the punctuation of 1 Corinthians 14:33-34 to bolster her argument. That is intellectual dishonesty at its worst.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]Yea, I did miss that. What scripture did you quote there? You used quotation marks, like it is right out of the Word. Please cite it. [/FONT]
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[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]Regarding Anna, the Word gives enough specific information about her to satisfy me.[/FONT]
[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]Lets' read verse 33 together, kids.[/FONT]
“[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]This is quite plain that God is the author of peace in all the churches, not that the following instruction is for all churches.[/FONT]
[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]#2) MissCris conveniently re-arranged the punctuation of 1 Corinthians 14:33-34 to bolster her argument. That is intellectual dishonesty at its worst.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]Yea, I did miss that. What scripture did you quote there? You used quotation marks, like it is right out of the Word. Please cite it. [/FONT]
[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive] [/FONT]
[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]Regarding Anna, the Word gives enough specific information about her to satisfy me.[/FONT]
[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]Lets' read verse 33 together, kids.[/FONT]
“[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]This is quite plain that God is the author of peace in all the churches, not that the following instruction is for all churches.[/FONT]
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Unfortunately, the only problem with this theory is that God never changes. I will not bother to cite the numerous scriptural examples of this principle. That being said, I believe that the gyst of this passage was that women should maintain a certain level of decorum in church. As someone else said above me, nobody, man or woman, should disrupt a church service by speaking at inappropriate times.
But, the Bible is inerrant, whether we like it or not. I mean no offense but this is the problem that "Christian gays" face, for example. Scripture is open to some interpretation, but it is never wrong.
It occurs to me that what I just said sounds awfully high-handed. Obviously, it is only my opinion and, of course, "open to interpretation".
But, the Bible is inerrant, whether we like it or not. I mean no offense but this is the problem that "Christian gays" face, for example. Scripture is open to some interpretation, but it is never wrong.
It occurs to me that what I just said sounds awfully high-handed. Obviously, it is only my opinion and, of course, "open to interpretation".
Some women led in the early church (Phoebe in Romans 16:1 was a deaconess, and Junia who was an apostle), and women prayed and prophesied (1 Cor. 11:13; Acts 21:9).
Phoebe (Bible) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Junia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
If 1 Cor 14:34-35 are legitimate (there is some evidence that are not), it must be as Seraphprincess said. Men ruled back then. Most men were educated, most women were not.
Also, what about women who were not married? Who would they ask?
(by the way, the fact that Paul says Junia was an apostle kinda blows certain people's theory that there were only the original 12, and no more, out of the water...(zone, are you reading this?))
Phoebe (Bible) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Junia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
If 1 Cor 14:34-35 are legitimate (there is some evidence that are not), it must be as Seraphprincess said. Men ruled back then. Most men were educated, most women were not.
Also, what about women who were not married? Who would they ask?
(by the way, the fact that Paul says Junia was an apostle kinda blows certain people's theory that there were only the original 12, and no more, out of the water...(zone, are you reading this?)
)
yep. just now bud.
i NEVER said there were only 12....i said, as scripture says, He chose 12 AS THE AUTHORITATIVE FOUNDATION.
now exactly what did the Crucified and Risen Christ as The Cornerstone, and the Apostles AND the disciples, some of whom became prophets, equipped by the Promise of the Holy Spirit FOUND?
the church, bud. the Fulfillment of the promise.
no one has EVER denied that what Joel prophesied for Pentecost IN JERUSALEM came to pass. why would they?
Joel 2:28
“And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh; your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, and your young men shall see visions.
Acts 2
1And when the day of Pentecost was fully come,they were all with one accord in one place. 2And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. 3And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. 4And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
5And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. 6Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language
but, Praise GOD!
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
easy
how's the deck rail look?
love ya.
oh one more thing.
you MUST acknowledge the Deity of Christ mr.shroomer...please?