Christ in You is the Hope of Glory.

[zone]

While your at it why don't you request removal as well. Is seems that you have not gotten through to me nor I of you and your stiffnecked attitude that you carry around on this site. Does this man rub you the wrong way like others have and you just don't have the grace to deal with them. Why not leave them alone as each man stands or falls before God and not you or me as is the case for all of us. You lack discernment about many things and have no capacity to impart grace to those that do not deserve it. If you humbled yourself you might receive the grace you need to impart to others.

hey Red.
are you still a Christian Zionist and Dispensationalist?
how dare you talk down to others like you're some spiritual giant.
grace and love grace and love...reagardless....right? or is that just for some.....

but some more than others right Red?
why dont you love and treat Mike with respect regardless of how you feel?
i noticed you're slash and burning ananda too - she's got more Biblical understanding than you do.

i think you're jealous, and sowing discord among "the clique" you've manufactured, because you're ahsamed of your lifetime in SCOFIELIAN HERESY. at least that's my hope (that you're ashamed....it means you can REPENT)

you're a hyopcrite my friend.
you aint practisin what you preachin

 

[zone]

The only ones who are God's children are those that are lead by His Spirit. If you are not, then you are not His child, and if not His child, then whose?

What Gary is saying is true.

is it really?
well.....let's see what Gary has said.
you've thrown ana under the bus for reasons only you know.
too bad.

she's a powerhouse and its your loss.

 

[zone]

You are correct no man is a god, unless of course you worship aman as a god, a god of flesh.

Jesus always was fully man, God didnt become a man named Jesus, Jesus was God incarnate. God in the man. God always has been SPirit andnever has changed and always made His abode in man.

Jesus said behold the kingdom of God is withn you.

God came to Jesus in SPirit and opend heaven to the man, Matt 3:16. He did the same in me. He is not a man. He is SPirit and resides in me, Christ in me. He and I as one. You are suposed to be as well.

NO HE DIDN'T.

HE WAS IN CONLFICT WITH THE APOSTATE PHARISEES WHEN HE MADE THAT REMARK ,AND HE SAID THE KINGDOM OF GOD WAS IN THE THEIR MIDST....HE MEANT HIMSELF.

Pentecost had not yet come my friend.

and the apostate Pharisees had already been told they were NOT ENTERING INTO THE KINGDOM.

why do you keep mishandling His Words like every New Ager on the planet?

you think Christ is in unbelievers? use all the corrupt translations you want.

AXE that misquote from your doctrine please. then let's see what you mean.

Luke 17:21
New Living Translation (©2007)
You won't be able to say, 'Here it is!' or 'It's over there!' For the Kingdom of God is already among you."

English Standard Version (©2001)
nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or ‘There!’ for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you.”

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
nor will they say, 'Look, here it is!' or, 'There it is!' For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst."

International Standard Version (©2008)
People won't be saying, 'Look! Here it is!' or 'There it is!' because now the kingdom of God is among you."

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you.


you gonna concede and submit to what He said or not?

 

[MissCris]

*Sigh*

Apparently Gary isn't going to answer me on any questions I ask. Could someone else possibly tell me if the following passage might be what the heck Gary keeps going on about? It doesn't seem to really fit with everything he's said, so I'm guessing probably not.

"Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.
We know that we live in him and he in us, because he has given us of his Spirit. And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in him and he in God. And so we know and rely on the love God has for us.
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in him. In this way, love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment, because in this world we are like him." -1 John 4: 11-17

 

[AnandaHya]

You didn’t quote me at all, you quoted your own opinions of what you thought I said, why don’t you copy and paste what I said then there will be no more lies.

And nowhere did I say anyone is the Christ. What I have said one hundred times over is Gods Spirit is in the man who is the Christ. Christ simply means to be anointed of Gods Spirit. Christ in you. Now you can read that like you read your bible and put into it what you want as you do the bible, but if you will take it for what I said then you will see that I said Gods Spirit is in the man who is the Christ. Christ simply means to be anointed of Gods Spirit. Christ in you.

i]And what I said is if one does not have in you what Jesus had in him, that you don’t know Him at all. That is what I said. Now if conviction holds that as truth, as it seems to here, then lashing out is result.

And as for the resurrected Christ, you are His body, you are the body of Christ, he resides nowhere else. Is He resurrected or are you still looking for Him? AGAIN -- Christ is Gods anointing, the anointed one, Christ in you. And my hope is in the resurrected Christ in me and my hope of glory. And the whole new birth is a setting aside of your way, and putting on His way, the Christ in you, you anointed of God. You having His mind, instead of yours.

And look past your grudges about who Christ is and become like Him. That is the will of God for us all that we become His little ones. Children. Growing up is a difficult thing isn’t it, it means we have to become … Parents … from the seed and duplication of our parent the Father. Begotten of Him and begotten simply means an extension of, or duplication from an original. Do a word search on begotten, you will see that all are begotten who are in Christ.

Are all Begotten of God?

or is Jesus the ONLY Begotten Son of GOD and we are His Adopted Children?

I'm not going to "attack" I will give you scripture and trust the HOLY SPIRIT will reveal the Truth to your hearts for GOD Knows His own.

We will allow Vengeance to be HIS.

For beloved our commandment is not to judge others but out of love to speak warning and exhortation. out of love to keep our brethren from stumbling and sinning. to warn of wolves and of those who would deceive and devour the flock. If the sheep wishes to follow a strangers voice, then their blood is on their own hands.

1 John 4

7 Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. 8 He who does not love does not know God, for God is love. 9 In this the love of God was manifested toward us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through Him. 10 In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins. 11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.


Praise be to God on High. To Jesus Christ our LORD and Savior who died for the propitiation of our sins, who washed us clean with His blood and freed us from the bonds of sin. Praise be to God who sends His Holy Spirit to be our Comforter, Our Teacher, Our Mediator who allows us to cry forth as Adopted children of God in praise and thanksgiving: Glory Glory Glory God Almighty, Maker of Heaven and Earth. Father be with us, reveal YOUR truth before us. In Jesus name we pray, Amen.


Romans 8:14-18
New King James Version (NKJV)
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. 15 For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.” 16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, 17 and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together.

anyways for my True brothers and sisters in Christ, I will catch you on another thread.

 

[Abiding]

Well Gary has never answered a question from the start. He has taught against santifications work by the Holyspirit.
He streamlined it into a selfdeluding mantra. He has said that obeying Jesus commands....before the indwelling presence
is bondage. This is completely counter to what Jesus said in John 14:23.

Garys christ in him theology has no true christ in it. I say he is teaching a false gospel that entirely sets aside all
that the Christian life entails. It bypasses all that God intends to do with us in our santification led not by our mere
mental assent to a certain truth as the truth in John 17. He is simply telling folks they are their own savior and that
they better be a gnostic rather than a follower of Jesus and continue in His word and be His disciples.

He will respond and twist this around with either selfpity or presume more on what i believe which he doesnt
know or even discussed. Or position himself as if He was getting persecuted as Christ Himself. Even tho he has
already spoke the opposite of Christ making him a what?

 

[Ramon]

thanks for bringing up one of you better quotes. This is a horrible thing to say and its what i am talking about. New believers are Gods small babies....who are exactly where He wants them as He develops them. If you dont see the magnitude of you terrible statement youd have to be just dead in your mind or cold in your heart.

Gary if i cant get through to you soon im going to the mods to request your removal.

Is this what you do Abiding? When someone doesn't tickle your fantasies you have them removed? Is this what happened in the past?

I wonder who gave you this authority? Did God?

Yet I see the authority that is above a man's authority, which is a man who has the very Spirit of Christ Jesus in them, which you seek to put out. I am a witness that you are not striving against man, but the very Spirit of God, who you full well reject.

In that case, you would have to put out every man of God, whom Jesus promised the Spirit to, to come and dwell and live in them. Where he also promised that he would come and live in them. You would have to re-kill all the prophets, and stone the apostles again. You would have to hang Jesus from the cross again.

 

[MissCris]

Well Gary has never answered a question from the start. He has taught against santifications work by the Holyspirit.
He streamlined it into a selfdeluding mantra. He has said that obeying Jesus commands....before the indwelling presence
is bondage. This is completely counter to what Jesus said in John 14:23.

Garys christ in him theology has no true christ in it. I say he is teaching a false gospel that entirely sets aside all
that the Christian life entails. It bypasses all that God intends to do with us in our santification led not by our mere
mental assent to a certain truth as the truth in John 17. He is simply telling folks they are their own savior and that
they better be a gnostic rather than a follower of Jesus and continue in His word and be His disciples.

He will respond and twist this around with either selfpity or presume more on what i believe which he doesnt
know or even discussed. Or position himself as if He was getting persecuted as Christ Himself. Even tho he has
already spoke the opposite of Christ making him a what?

That's sort of what I was getting from things he says. And...thanks for attempting to answer me

 

[AnandaHya]

Is this what you do Abiding? When someone doesn't tickle your fantasies you have them removed? Is this what happened in the past?

I wonder who gave you this authority? Did God?

Yet I see the authority that is above a man's authority, which is a man who has the very Spirit of Christ Jesus in them, which you seek to put out. I am a witness that you are not striving against man, but the very Spirit of God, who you full well reject.

In that case, you would have to put out every man of God, whom Jesus promised the Spirit to, to come and dwell and live in them. Where he also promised that he would come and live in them. You would have to re-kill all the prophets, and stone the apostles again. You would have to hang Jesus from the cross again.

may your curses be returned to you.

Isaiah 11:2-4
New King James Version (NKJV)
2 The Spirit of the LORD shall rest upon Him,
The Spirit of wisdom and understanding,
The Spirit of counsel and might,
The Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD.
3 His delight is in the fear of the LORD,
And He shall not judge by the sight of His eyes,
Nor decide by the hearing of His ears;
4 But with righteousness He shall judge the poor,
And decide with equity for the meek of the earth;
He shall strike the earth with the rod of His mouth,
And with the breath of His lips He shall slay the wicked.

John 12:46-48
New King James Version (NKJV)
46 I have come as a light into the world, that whoever believes in Me should not abide in darkness. 47 And if anyone hears My words and does not believe,[a] I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world. 48 He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him—the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.

Job 15:6
Your own mouth condemns you, and not I; Yes, your own lips testify against you.

 

[Abiding]

While your at it why don't you request removal as well. Is seems that you have not gotten through to me nor I of you and your stiffnecked attitude that you carry around on this site. Does this man rub you the wrong way like others have and you just don't have the grace to deal with them. Why not leave them alone as each man stands or falls before God and not you or me as is the case for all of us. You lack discernment about many things and have no capacity to impart grace to those that do not deserve it. If you humbled yourself you might receive the grace you need to impart to others.

Red 3 questions:
1.whats the purpose of this site?
2.define "stiffnecked" especially as it applies to me.
3.Is Jude 3,4 in your bible..if so is this optional? How about Romans 16:17-18?

Red the thing here is that you ride in and out with your opiniongiving and your emotions
as your guide. Its always been obvious that you havnt followed the dialogue from the start
to a post you view....then it sets you off. Ive treated Gary with both grace and respect since
his very first post. Sorry he simply refuses to be honest and his craftyness not that skilled.
And in these cases they usually expose themselves and those who identify with their error.

Red remember your attitude towards me has already been revealed over and over. Everyone
knows im a stiffnecked, discernment lacking, unhumble graceless whatever but you never know
someone still might not have heard it yet. So keep on with your graceful impartations to me
showing your humility and skilled discernment. We can say its for the good of others. That noble.

 

[Abiding]

Is this what you do Abiding? When someone doesn't tickle your fantasies you have them removed? Is this what happened in the past?

I wonder who gave you this authority? Did God?

Yet I see the authority that is above a man's authority, which is a man who has the very Spirit of Christ Jesus in them, which you seek to put out. I am a witness that you are not striving against man, but the very Spirit of God, who you full well reject.

In that case, you would have to put out every man of God, whom Jesus promised the Spirit to, to come and dwell and live in them. Where he also promised that he would come and live in them. You would have to re-kill all the prophets, and stone the apostles again. You would have to hang Jesus from the cross again.

Oh Ramon...wake up bud. First..no ive never had anyone banned. But i sure would try..when theres a
complete heretical teaching. Ramon the truth of John 17 isnt my issue. Thats how Gary plays his game.
Are you falling for it? Of coarse its Christ in us the Hope of glory. If you cant see the rest of his lies that
vehicle carries...then check what he says with the word and dont be lazy in that just because
he "tickles your fancy"

 

[Ramon]

Oh Ramon...wake up bud. First..no ive never had anyone banned. But i sure would try..when theres a
complete heretical teaching. Ramon the truth of John 17 isnt my issue. Thats how Gary plays his game.
Are you falling for it? Of coarse its Christ in us the Hope of glory. If you cant see the rest of his lies that
vehicle carries...then check what he says with the word and dont be lazy in that just because
he "tickles your fancy"

I have checked the Spirit in him. And I do see the same Spirit that was in Christ speaking through him.

He is not glorifying himself, but he is glorifying Jesus Christ. The Lord actually said he would come and live in us, and us in him, even as he was in the Father, and the Father in him. That makes us in perfect harmony with God, even as Christ was.

If it is not the very same Spirit that was in Jesus, that lives in you, then that means you have received another spirit. So anyone that preaches another spirit is not speaking of God. It is the very same Spirit that has been speaking since the beginning. As you have read that God was IN Christ reconciling the world to himself.

IN!

And that same Spirit that was in him ought to be in those who are IN CHRIST!

I don't know about those who have perverted this very important truth, as I see that is Satan's business. But Satan's business will NEVER interfere with me being about God's business.

Satan has his seducers to pervert this truth, but we cannot stop seeking the Truth because there are those that seek to pervert it. Else we might be speaking against the Spirit of God, being conditioned to the evil spirits that speak in the children of rebellion, even the same children of Belial.

Again, what Gary is saying is true. But it takes a certain pair of ears to hear the Truth.

May Jesus bless you.

 

[Abiding]

I have checked the Spirit in him. And I do see the same Spirit that was in Christ speaking through him.

He is not glorifying himself, but he is glorifying Jesus Christ. The Lord actually said he would come and live in us, and us in him, even as he was in the Father, and the Father in him. That makes us in perfect harmony with God, even as Christ was.

If it is not the very same Spirit that was in Jesus, that lives in you, then that means you have received another spirit. So anyone that preaches another spirit is not speaking of God. It is the very same Spirit that has been speaking since the beginning. As you have read that God was IN Christ reconciling the world to himself.

IN!

And that same Spirit that was in him ought to be in those who are IN CHRIST!

I don't know about those who have perverted this very important truth, as I see that is Satan's business. But Satan's business will NEVER interfere with me being about God's business.

Satan has his seducers to pervert this truth, but we cannot stop seeking the Truth because there are those that seek to pervert it. Else we might be speaking against the Spirit of God, being conditioned to the evil spirits that speak in the children of rebellion, even the same children of Belial.

Again, what Gary is saying is true. But it takes a certain pair of ears to hear the Truth.

May Jesus bless you.

Why take the time to write all this Ramon ive said continually and said to you personally that
the truth of Christ being in a believer was true. Noone needs a inner persuasion to see that.
Its plainly written all through the bible.
I specifically said it was that truth that was his vehicle to bring the other false teachings he has
proclaimed. Then when questioned he refers back to the truth(us in Him, Him in us) and omits
answering to questions concerning his aberrant statements. And comes off with accusations that
the questioners havnt Him in us and us in Him mantra, then if need be his persecution complex
scenario. Im all for teaching or proclaiming truths about the indwelling Spirit of God, which is a reality
that happens at rebirth. Not from gnostic selfdelusions.

 

[Ramon]

Why take the time to write all this Ramon ive said continually and said to you personally that
the truth of Christ being in a believer was true. Noone needs a inner persuasion to see that.
Its plainly written all through the bible.
I specifically said it was that truth that was his vehicle to bring the other false teachings he has
proclaimed. Then when questioned he refers back to the truth(us in Him, Him in us) and omits
answering to questions concerning his aberrant statements. And comes off with accusations that
the questioners havnt Him in us and us in Him mantra, then if need be his persecution complex
scenario. Im all for teaching or proclaiming truths about the indwelling Spirit of God, which is a reality
that happens at rebirth. Not from gnostic selfdelusions.

Concerning this particular post, I have not heard a lie in it.

You could judge me by my past all day, but that would not change the Truth the Lord has shown me today. If Paul was judged by his past, everyone would have reason to say he is not of God. But today we know his ministry was of God, also hearing that same Spirit that was in him.

I see what you mean. I will not ask you what he said in the past, I can go look that up for myself, even then, God will be the judge, not me.

Maybe I don't understand the situation here, but I have not heard a lie in this particular thread that he has said.

May Jesus bless you.

 

[Abiding]

Concerning this particular post, I have not heard a lie in it.

You could judge me by my past all day, but that would not change the Truth the Lord has shown me today. If Paul was judged by his past, everyone would have reason to say he is not of God. But today we know his ministry was of God, also hearing that same Spirit that was in him.

I see what you mean. I will not ask you what he said in the past, I can go look that up for myself, even then, God will be the judge, not me.

Maybe I don't understand the situation here, but I have not heard a lie in this particular thread that he has said.

May Jesus bless you.

Theres been plenty Ramon, and i am only responding to you. I havnt judged you
nor do i care to. If you were edified i think thats great.

 

[Ramon]

Theres been plenty Ramon, and i am only responding to you. I havnt judged you
nor do i care to. If you were edified i think thats great.

No. I didn't say you judged me. But it was a scenario. That if anyone could be judged by the past, I could, but that would have nothing to do with today.

So if we judged a person by something yesterday, we should be cautious, because perhaps the Lord has ministered to them in that time.

This, however is neither a response to Gary, as being the one who fell yesterday. In fact, I hardly see how someone with this witness could fall so soon.

This witness he gives is either 100% true, or 100% false. No in-between. Either he is a blasphemer, or he is who he says he is.

In the same way it was with Jesus Christ. Either he was who he said he was or he was a blasphemer.

So I will adhere some wisdom we also heard.

That if his ministry is of men, then it will come to an end, but if his ministry is of God, you cannot fight against it, else you might find yourself to be striving against God himself.

May Jesus bless you.

 

[zone]

Is this what you do Abiding? When someone doesn't tickle your fantasies you have them removed? Is this what happened in the past?

I wonder who gave you this authority? Did God?

Yet I see the authority that is above a man's authority, which is a man who has the very Spirit of Christ Jesus in them, which you seek to put out. I am a witness that you are not striving against man, but the very Spirit of God, who you full well reject.

In that case, you would have to put out every man of God, whom Jesus promised the Spirit to, to come and dwell and live in them. Where he also promised that he would come and live in them. You would have to re-kill all the prophets, and stone the apostles again. You would have to hang Jesus from the cross again.

you're a false prophet and have been from the beginning.
you ALSO ridicule and demean the very MEANS by which the believer continues to be fed - THE HOLY SCRIPTURES.

you CLAIM you were saved 1 year ago.

NOT A SINGLE 1 YEAR NEW BELIEVER I HAVE EVER EVER EVER come acroos speaks to their elders as you do, threatens the church as you do, and teaches heresy (when you actually start being FORCED to explain what your intention is in quoting MY GO'D S HOLY WORDS.

if there is any authority delegated to men of God by Him i assure you it is to the elder men like Mike - NOT INFANTS LIKE YOU.

YOU ARE NEARING RECRUCIFYING JESUS EVERYTIME YOU POST SOME NUTJOB 'PRIVATE REVELATION' ADVISING CHRISTIANS THEY DON'T NEED HIS WRIT.

i rebuke you.

 

[Ramon]

you're a false prophet and have been from the beginning.
you ALSO ridicule and demean the very MEANS by which the believer continues to be fed - THE HOLY SCRIPTURES.

you CLAIM you were saved 1 year ago.

NOT A SINGLE 1 YEAR NEW BELIEVER I HAVE EVER EVER EVER come acroos speaks to their elders as you do, threatens the church as you do, and teaches heresy (when you actually start being FORCED to explain what your intention is in quoting MY GO'D S HOLY WORDS.

if there is any authority delegated to men of God by Him i assure you it is to the elder men like Mike - NOT INFANTS LIKE YOU.

YOU ARE NEARING RECRUCIFYING JESUS EVERYTIME YOU POST SOME NUTJOB 'PRIVATE REVELATION' ADVISING CHRISTIANS THEY DON'T NEED HIS WRIT.

i rebuke you.

In quoting His words, do you also keep them?

I will be fed by the Bread of Life. Jesus Christ.

May Jesus bless you.

 

[zone]

Everyone knows im a stiffnecked, discernment lacking, unhumble graceless whatever.

i don't know any Abiding like that.
just the opposite.

i stand with you Mike.

 

[zone]

I have checked the Spirit in him..

ya?
that says a lot.
i've tested your spirit too.

you'd be well advised to be quiet and learn another year or 2.
but you won't.

you're as deluded as your buddy that false prophet VW and this other guy GaryMac.