Christ in You is the Hope of Glory.

[Abiding]

You would have to copy and past to me that I said if a person hasnt got as far as you are on this
that they dont even know God, as you did say. That is an incorrect statement. What you probably read was-- if you are not as Jesus was and has what he had then you dont follow His way at all.

You see, you accuse me of the very thing you are guilty of. You dont see that in yourself do you?

thanks for bringing up one of you better quotes. This is a horrible thing to say and its what i am talking about. New believers are Gods small babies....who are exactly where He wants them as He develops them. If you dont see the magnitude of you terrible statement youd have to be just dead in your mind or cold in your heart.

Gary if i cant get through to you soon im going to the mods to request your removal.

 

[Red33]

thanks for bringing up one of you better quotes. This is a horrible thing to say and its what i am talking about. New believers are Gods small babies....who are exactly where He wants them as He develops them. If you dont see the magnitude of you terrible statement youd have to be just dead in your mind or cold in your heart.

Gary if i cant get through to you soon im going to the mods to request your removal.

While your at it why don't you request removal as well. Is seems that you have not gotten through to me nor I of you and your stiffnecked attitude that you carry around on this site. Does this man rub you the wrong way like others have and you just don't have the grace to deal with them. Why not leave them alone as each man stands or falls before God and not you or me as is the case for all of us. You lack discernment about many things and have no capacity to impart grace to those that do not deserve it. If you humbled yourself you might receive the grace you need to impart to others.

 

[AnandaHya]

The only ones who are God's children are those that are lead by His Spirit. If you are not, then you are not His child, and if not His child, then whose?

What Gary is saying is true.

do you know the difference between Begotten and Adopted children Ramon?

perhaps its not that important to you.

John 1:18
No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.

 

[Laodicea]

The only ones who are God's children are those that are lead by His Spirit. If you are not, then you are not His child, and if not His child, then whose?

What Gary is saying is true.

Romans 8:13-14
(13) For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify (put to death) the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
(14) For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

 

[AnandaHya]

You are correct no man is a god, unless of course you worship aman as a god, a god of flesh.

Jesus always was fully man, God didnt become a man named Jesus, Jesus was God incarnate. God in the man. God always has been SPirit and never has changed and always made His abode in man.

Jesus said behold the kingdom of God is withn you. God came to Jesus in SPirit and opend heaven to the man, Matt 3:16. He did the same in me. He is not a man. He is SPirit and resides in me, Christ in me. He and I as one. You are suposed to be as well.

do you agree with this Ramon?

do you believe you are God incarnate just like Jesus? since "God didn't become a man named Jesus" and "God came to Jesus in Spirit and opened heaven to the man" do you claim He did the same to YOU as He did for Jesus?

Was Jesus the ONLY Begotten Son of God?

Did He descend out of Heaven to be born of a Virgin?

To claim to be incarnate of God is NOT to claim to be His child but to be GOD HIMSELF.

Yes GaryMac has since changed his story, but you can read his own words. Instead of clarifying his meaning he went off saying anyone who did not understand him and his twisting of scripture does not have the Holy Spirit in them.

You can believe whatever you want Ramon, but you should pray to God about it and not be sucked into every wind of doctrine that flies by.

Yes the HOLY SPIRIT Dwells in people, YES they are given the Spirit of God that allows them to cry forth Abba, Father. Jesus was MORE than "just a man" MORE then just an "example"

Truly understanding His Resurrection and Ascension would get rid of these false notions.

Still reading your Bible daily Ramon?

Or have you "matured" past that?

 

[AnandaHya]

While your at it why don't you request removal as well. Is seems that you have not gotten through to me nor I of you and your stiffnecked attitude that you carry around on this site. Does this man rub you the wrong way like others have and you just don't have the grace to deal with them. Why not leave them alone as each man stands or falls before God and not you or me as is the case for all of us. You lack discernment about many things and have no capacity to impart grace to those that do not deserve it. If you humbled yourself you might receive the grace you need to impart to others.

so Red you have no problem teaching that to have the Holy Spirit dwelling inside of you, YOU are CHRIST and YOU are GOD INCARNATE, JUST Like JESUS?

its in his other posts, not in this thread but I quoted the time GaryMac alludes to it.

Give him the benefit of the doubt, perhaps he can clarify his true meaning of his words. or perhaps he will rant some more about how I don't have Christ in me and Me in Christ instead of addressing the issue.

Do you believe in Jesus final return Red?

Is the NEW Earth and NEW Jereuselum NOW just like GaryMac says?

Do you believe that JEsus has a Resurrected Body or is just SPIRIT as GaryMac also states?

Do you have hope in the resurrection or do you also teach that this is what the whole NEW Birth is, when you get Christ in you and You in christ?

Look past your grudges and think of God's sheep and His little ones.

 

[Cobus]

Who is Jesus calling GODS here? Or who is it written off? Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
Joh 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

I am in a serious mood today what does the Bible say about a person that does have the Holy Spirit in dwelling in him? There is so many things in the Bible, but the best in the Bible is God is God and I am His creation that He wants to save from SELF-DESTRUCT! What a God we serve. Amen!

Gary I like you, and not many will, ANY truth in us is not for this world.... never has been Never will be. Jesus said they do not accept the Truth becasue they are in iniquity. The Bible says WE KNOW WHOSOEVER IS BORN OF GOD DOES NOT SIN, AND THE WHOLE WORLD LIES IN INIQUITY. Gary you know the Truth, and God will sanctify you in that Truth. Because Jesus prayed for YOU in John 17, and I hope I am also one God will give to Jesus!

The truth has always been for few, and MANY will always not like the Truth, but then it is their choice, I see you chose the truth, and the Truth shall make you free! Now let us look at this FREE!

Jesus says if the Son makes you free you are free indeed! And just do a study from what this free means... It means a lot more that being made free from sin committed. Gary if Jesus makes you free, you are FREE INDEED! Just search the word free in the Bible, and look what free in Christ means.

The word says, when we sin we are free from righteousness, but also if we are HIS FREEMAN, we are free from sin. Looks like black and white to me. And this grey-area chrsitianity is just pure evil like the black parts. It is white or black, God or Satan, light or darkness, life or death, sin or righteousness, heaven or hell, why complicate it? God did not. why should it be complicated? You are holy or not, you sin and go to hell or you do not sin and go to heaven. Jesus saves you or He does not!

You are free or you are not. Free from sin in righteousness, or free from righteousness in sin. What is so difficult to understand about this? It is only if you start with your clever words and all the ISM words when you confuse, yourselves first and then the others. Keep it simple.... Are you a sinner like me? YES! Then do what God advise you to do... Repent and be baptised!

May God save me! Amen!

 

[GaryMac]

thanks for bringing up one of you better quotes. This is a horrible thing to say and its what i am talking about. New believers are Gods small babies....who are exactly where He wants them as He develops them. If you dont see the magnitude of you terrible statement youd have to be just dead in your mind or cold in your heart.

Gary if i cant get through to you soon im going to the mods to request your removal.

Pleas read closly.

New believer need to hear the truth of Christ in you. They don’t need to hear, try and be good, or try and pray, or try and follow Christ. What they need to hear is be one with Him He in you and you in Him as one. Let His Spirit come to you and cleanse and take away those things you are struggling with. What they need to hear is He will come to you and sup with you and be in you and comfort your soul instead of the sin feelings that make you in discomfort that you are TRYING to overcome on your own which will never happen.

Any Pharisee can give the law and try and persuade you to do it their way as some here do. But the truth in Christ is BE AS I AM -- Me in you and you in Me as one. If you will do that then you wouldn’t be trying to persuade me to walk away from Him and follow you.

Get through to me? What you really mean is if I don’t stop witnessing Christ in you and bow down to your doctrine and laws for tradition that you will request my removal. What you are saying is give me Barabbas instead of Christ in you the hope of glory. Thank you very much it is only confirmation of that in me what Jesus had in Him. He was kicked out of the same type of forums for the same type of things.

Let me ask you. If you are not like Him and do not have what He had, and walk as He walked, and the same mind, and the same Spirit, then who are you like? Who is it that you follow that condemns the Christ in me? He is the way the truth and the life and His way is the way that I just described as HIS LIFE IN YOU. And if you are not like Him, you don’t follow His way for you at all as I just described. Who are you like? I’m very curious!

But I will tell you right now, and you can kick me out of YOUR little birds nest -- but I will not turn away from who I am in all of these things Christ came and gave me and the things of Christ be in me as my hope of glory: And as you would have it follow your way for glory which is anti that you can’t be like Him. Your way is not His way at all!

These signs described do follow those who believe. What signs follow you? I have been very straight forward and told you what signs follow the Christ and do follow me. And don’t threaten and attack that what you haven’t a clue what you are talking about, it is very unbecoming of a Christian and a Gentleman.

And if this is my last post, at least I got to witness Christ be in you to some of you. Think about Him and His way for you and what He would have you to be, not what you would have me to be.

 

[GaryMac]

do you agree with this Ramon?

do you believe you are God incarnate just like Jesus? since "God didn't become a man named Jesus" and "God came to Jesus in Spirit and opened heaven to the man" do you claim He did the same to YOU as He did for Jesus?

Was Jesus the ONLY Begotten Son of God?

Did He descend out of Heaven to be born of a Virgin?

To claim to be incarnate of God is NOT to claim to be His child but to be GOD HIMSELF.

Yes GaryMac has since changed his story, but you can read his own words. Instead of clarifying his meaning he went off saying anyone who did not understand him and his twisting of scripture does not have the Holy Spirit in them.

You can believe whatever you want Ramon, but you should pray to God about it and not be sucked into every wind of doctrine that flies by.

Yes the HOLY SPIRIT Dwells in people, YES they are given the Spirit of God that allows them to cry forth Abba, Father. Jesus was MORE than "just a man" MORE then just an "example"

Truly understanding His Resurrection and Ascension would get rid of these false notions.

Still reading your Bible daily Ramon?

Or have you "matured" past that?

Uhh! No' GaryMac has not changed his story, however, some has changed GaryMacs story. GaryMac has always said God is a Spirit and not a man. And Yes you can read my own words which would help clarify your confusion about my story, but as you know … you aint gonna do that.


And truly understanding The Ascension and the resurrected Christ is to see Him raised for yourself. Christ raised in you. But all you have seen is His ascension, you haven’t seen the other yet. If you had you would be like all the other who didn’t recognize Him either until He spoke. Only then did they say my Lord and my God, now I see.


And we all are virgin to Gods SPirit until that same seed be planted in you. Giving birth to that seed is the real issue, Christ in you. His seed raised in you

 

[MissCris]

God sent an example of what He wants of us and His example is Jesus Christ. Christianity isn’t about who Jesus was, we all know who he was, Christianity is about who you are and are you like Him.
Everything Jesus said and did was a message intended for you and I as example of what you and I are supposed to be, to be like and to imitate. Do you walk as He walks, do you have the same mind that Jesus had and think and do as he did? Do you have the same Spirit in you? Are you perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect as Jesus commanded you to be?
If you are anything less than what Jesus was then you have made up your own rules, doctrines, for you’re god. Denying to be as He is and as the one God sent to give to you what he had, to teach you to walk in the same light as He … seems to be the order for most.
Some say we cant be perfect even as our Father in heaven is perfect -- which is a direct denial to follow Gods way and the one He sent for you to follow and be like … That is His way. He is the way, the way you are supposed to be.
If you are anything less from what Jesus was, then you don’t follow Gods way for you at all.

Gary,

This is...ludicrous. I honestly cannot find a better word for it. Your message started out ok, sort of vaguely dabbling with what true Christianity is about. And then...

POOF!

Just like that, it went haywire.

If God intended us to be perfect, even as He Himself is perfect, why on earth did He give us free will?

The Lord didn't want a bunch of clones, or He would have made us that way. What He wanted was for His children to CHOOSE Him and then FOLLOW Him, not BE HIM.

If it was even possible to be PERFECT, to be "as He is" or to be "one with Him", then we would not even need Jesus Christ to be our Savior, would we? If we were capable of Godliness (which is what you're claiming, just without coming out and saying it directly), then we wouldn't need to be SAVED.

The more I come across the term "God in us, us in God" or however you choose to phrase it, the more I feel that it means "We ARE God". If that's not what you're trying to say, then maybe you want to change your mantra to something else.

I absolutely cringe to think what a new believer in Christ would think and feel after reading such a message, one that tells them that unless they are perfect, they are not truly Christians. How awful that would be for them! Just when they've discovered the Truth, to be told that their salvation has about as much value as the dollar....

It makes me sick to think how many people who may already have heard this lie might even now be questioning their salvation because they can't be AS GOD IS.

What a disgusting, destructive pile of garbage.

 

[GaryMac]

so Red you have no problem teaching that to have the Holy Spirit dwelling inside of you, YOU are CHRIST and YOU are GOD INCARNATE, JUST Like JESUS?

its in his other posts, not in this thread but I quoted the time GaryMac alludes to it.

Give him the benefit of the doubt, perhaps he can clarify his true meaning of his words. or perhaps he will rant some more about how I don't have Christ in me and Me in Christ instead of addressing the issue.

Do you believe in Jesus final return Red?

Is the NEW Earth and NEW Jereuselum NOW just like GaryMac says?

Do you believe that JEsus has a Resurrected Body or is just SPIRIT as GaryMac also states?

Do you have hope in the resurrection or do you also teach that this is what the whole NEW Birth is, when you get Christ in you and You in christ?

Look past your grudges and think of God's sheep and His little ones.

You didn’t quote me at all, you quoted your own opinions of what you thought I said, why don’t you copy and paste what I said then there will be no more lies.

And nowhere did I say anyone is the Christ. What I have said one hundred times over is Gods Spirit is in the man who is the Christ. Christ simply means to be anointed of Gods Spirit. Christ in you. Now you can read that like you read your bible and put into it what you want as you do the bible, but if you will take it for what I said then you will see that I said Gods Spirit is in the man who is the Christ. Christ simply means to be anointed of Gods Spirit. Christ in you.

And what I said is if one does not have in you what Jesus had in him, that you don’t know Him at all. That is what I said. Now if conviction holds that as truth, as it seems to here, then lashing out is result.

And as for the resurrected Christ, you are His body, you are the body of Christ, he resides nowhere else. Is He resurrected or are you still looking for Him? AGAIN -- Christ is Gods anointing, the anointed one, Christ in you. And my hope is in the resurrected Christ in me and my hope of glory. And the whole new birth is a setting aside of your way, and putting on His way, the Christ in you, you anointed of God. You having His mind, instead of yours.

And look past your grudges about who Christ is and become like Him. That is the will of God for us all that we become His little ones. Children. Growing up is a difficult thing isn’t it, it means we have to become … Parents … from the seed and duplication of our parent the Father. Begotten of Him and begotten simply means an extension of, or duplication from an original. Do a word search on begotten, you will see that all are begotten who are in Christ.

 

[MissCris]

Since I'm already all riled up, I've got some more to say:

I fall down on my knees and thank God that my salvation, my chances at spending eternity in heaven with our Lord, DO NOT HINGE ON MY PERFECTION, my ability to be as Godly as possible.

I thank God that He sent His Son to die for us, to wash away our sins with His blood, so that we could be FORGIVEN, so that we could know His love for us, and so that we could learn the value of repentance and know what it is to have Christ in our lives.

Please, SHOW me where in the Bible it says that unless we are as PERFECT AS GOD, we are condemned to hell? Where does it say in the Bible that TO BE AS GOD IS, is the way to eternal life?

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." - John 3:16

Whoever BELIEVES in him, not whoever IS PERFECT IN HIM.

 

[GaryMac]

Gary,

This is...ludicrous. I honestly cannot find a better word for it. Your message started out ok, sort of vaguely dabbling with what true Christianity is about. And then...

POOF!

Just like that, it went haywire.

If God intended us to be perfect, even as He Himself is perfect, why on earth did He give us free will?

The Lord didn't want a bunch of clones, or He would have made us that way. What He wanted was for His children to CHOOSE Him and then FOLLOW Him, not BE HIM.

If it was even possible to be PERFECT, to be "as He is" or to be "one with Him", then we would not even need Jesus Christ to be our Savior, would we? If we were capable of Godliness (which is what you're claiming, just without coming out and saying it directly), then we wouldn't need to be SAVED.

The more I come across the term "God in us, us in God" or however you choose to phrase it, the more I feel that it means "We ARE God". If that's not what you're trying to say, then maybe you want to change your mantra to something else.

I absolutely cringe to think what a new believer in Christ would think and feel after reading such a message, one that tells them that unless they are perfect, they are not truly Christians. How awful that would be for them! Just when they've discovered the Truth, to be told that their salvation has about as much value as the dollar....

It makes me sick to think how many people who may already have heard this lie might even now be questioning their salvation because they can't be AS GOD IS.

What a disgusting, destructive pile of garbage.

If God didn’t intend for us to be perfect as He is perfect Jesus wouldn’t have COMMANDED to Be ye therefore perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect now would he?

And He does want you to choose Him and be one with Him, and He in you and you and you in Him as one. That is your choice that we all make and you have made your choice just as I have and I choose His way. His will is that we be like Him and one with Him it is very clear in everything Jesus said.

And in response to your to -- if it is possible for perfection, Tell me what God would have said to you if He wanted you to be perfect even as He is perfect, or what would He say if He wanted you to have the same mind and Spirit as He, and what would He say if He wanted you to be like Him and one with Him. Im very interested what you think He may have said if He wanted these things for you and I?

And response to-- we ARE God, well No we are not God, no man is a god no man will ever be a god unkess you worship a man as a god and a god of flesh. God is a Spirit and He resides in man as one. Kinda simple.

And a new believer in Christ puts on the Christ, Christ formed in them. It is these who are outside Christ and are searching for Him who have not seen, but a New Christian is Christlike, has Christ in them. A new creature in Christ. And if you are not like Him and one with the Father, then your salvation is bought with a dollar.

And I can see how it makes you sick to think that you are supposed to be like Him and aren’t. This very thing is what sent Jesus to a cross, it made them sick as well.

A disgusting pile of garbage would be to tell me I am anything less than what God would have me be by His example Jesus Christ. You sure have a negative attitude toward Him and His way for you.

 

[cronjecj]

Since I'm already all riled up, I've got some more to say:

I fall down on my knees and thank God that my salvation, my chances at spending eternity in heaven with our Lord, DO NOT HINGE ON MY PERFECTION, my ability to be as Godly as possible.

I thank God that He sent His Son to die for us, to wash away our sins with His blood, so that we could be FORGIVEN, so that we could know His love for us, and so that we could learn the value of repentance and know what it is to have Christ in our lives.

Please, SHOW me where in the Bible it says that unless we are as PERFECT AS GOD, we are condemned to hell? Where does it say in the Bible that TO BE AS GOD IS, is the way to eternal life?

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." - John 3:16

Whoever BELIEVES in him, not whoever IS PERFECT IN HIM.

MissCris this is exactly why God sent His son so that if you do fall short we don't have to feel guilty anymore but when we confess, He is faithful and already paid the price thus we should NEVER feel condemned sister, we have Jesus Christ as a mediator between us and God

John 10:10
The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.

John 10:29
My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand.

 

[GaryMac]

Since I'm already all riled up, I've got some more to say:

I fall down on my knees and thank God that my salvation, my chances at spending eternity in heaven with our Lord, DO NOT HINGE ON MY PERFECTION, my ability to be as Godly as possible.

I thank God that He sent His Son to die for us, to wash away our sins with His blood, so that we could be FORGIVEN, so that we could know His love for us, and so that we could learn the value of repentance and know what it is to have Christ in our lives.

Please, SHOW me where in the Bible it says that unless we are as PERFECT AS GOD, we are condemned to hell? Where does it say in the Bible that TO BE AS GOD IS, is the way to eternal life?

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." - John 3:16

Whoever BELIEVES in him, not whoever IS PERFECT IN HIM.

I fall down on my knees and thank God that He came to me and made me His son with the same Spirit and mind and walk as He walks and think as He thinks and hinge my salvation on His perfection in me and His ability to set me aside and my way and put in me His way, Christ in me.

And I thank God that He did send His son Jesus and lead me to repentance and did wash away my sins and did forgive me of them and put His love in me, for God is Love, the kingdom of God is within you. And know what it is to have Christ in me.
And as for perfect as He is -- Be ye therefore perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect was written for a purpose. In Christ is perfection, he is perfect, you cant know Gods perfection without the Christ, it is Christ in you who perfects that which He would have in you. You cant be perfect on your own, no man can, the flesh is not perfect, it is gonna die and decay. What is perfect is Gods Spirit in the man, in this I am His righteousness in Christ. He is the way.

And whosoever believe in Him will be like Him and perfected in Him even as your Father in heaven is perfect. Many say the follow the way of Christ but are not like him at all and refuse that they can be.

 

[cronjecj]

If God didn’t intend for us to be perfect as He is perfect Jesus wouldn’t have COMMANDED to Be ye therefore perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect now would he?

And He does want you to choose Him and be one with Him, and He in you and you and you in Him as one. That is your choice that we all make and you have made your choice just as I have and I choose His way. His will is that we be like Him and one with Him it is very clear in everything Jesus said.

And in response to your to -- if it is possible for perfection, Tell me what God would have said to you if He wanted you to be perfect even as He is perfect, or what would He say if He wanted you to have the same mind and Spirit as He, and what would He say if He wanted you to be like Him and one with Him. Im very interested what you think He may have said if He wanted these things for you and I?

And response to-- we ARE God, well No we are not God, no man is a god no man will ever be a god unkess you worship a man as a god and a god of flesh. God is a Spirit and He resides in man as one. Kinda simple.

And a new believer in Christ puts on the Christ, Christ formed in them. It is these who are outside Christ and are searching for Him who have not seen, but a New Christian is Christlike, has Christ in them. A new creature in Christ. And if you are not like Him and one with the Father, then your salvation is bought with a dollar.

And I can see how it makes you sick to think that you are supposed to be like Him and aren’t. This very thing is what sent Jesus to a cross, it made them sick as well.

A disgusting pile of garbage would be to tell me I am anything less than what God would have me be by His example Jesus Christ. You sure have a negative attitude toward Him and His way for you.

Stop it.

Perfect IN LOVE yes so don't try to sound smart here.

You may fool a babe in thinking to be perfect or else they will have to suffer wrath.. you will make them feel condemned and in the end they will run away from their faith because of this thus making them stumble, woo to you.

But you don't fool me and many others as well, they see right through your self-righteous teachings.

 

[MissCris]

If God didn’t intend for us to be perfect as He is perfect Jesus wouldn’t have COMMANDED to Be ye therefore perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect now would he?

And He does want you to choose Him and be one with Him, and He in you and you and you in Him as one. That is your choice that we all make and you have made your choice just as I have and I choose His way. His will is that we be like Him and one with Him it is very clear in everything Jesus said.

And in response to your to -- if it is possible for perfection, Tell me what God would have said to you if He wanted you to be perfect even as He is perfect, or what would He say if He wanted you to have the same mind and Spirit as He, and what would He say if He wanted you to be like Him and one with Him. Im very interested what you think He may have said if He wanted these things for you and I?

And response to-- we ARE God, well No we are not God, no man is a god no man will ever be a god unkess you worship a man as a god and a god of flesh. God is a Spirit and He resides in man as one. Kinda simple.

And a new believer in Christ puts on the Christ, Christ formed in them. It is these who are outside Christ and are searching for Him who have not seen, but a New Christian is Christlike, has Christ in them. A new creature in Christ. And if you are not like Him and one with the Father, then your salvation is bought with a dollar.

And I can see how it makes you sick to think that you are supposed to be like Him and aren’t. This very thing is what sent Jesus to a cross, it made them sick as well.

A disgusting pile of garbage would be to tell me I am anything less than what God would have me be by His example Jesus Christ. You sure have a negative attitude toward Him and His way for you.

I apologize for ranting and raving a bit. You hadn't explained what you meant very clearly up to this point, and I had asked on another thread if you would give me a detailed explanation so that I could understand what you were trying to say.

What set me off was that it honestly did sound very much like you were trying to say that we are basically to BE God. Maybe it's just the way you word things, I don't know.

I've calmed down a bit now and tried to find in the Bible something that might help me understand what you're saying, and I came across this:

"Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.
We know that we live in him and he in us, because he has given us of his Spirit. And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in him and he in God. And so we know and rely on the love God has for us.
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in him. In this way, love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment, because in this world we are like him." -1 John 4: 11-17

Is that what you mean?

 

[MissCris]

MissCris this is exactly why God sent His son so that if you do fall short we don't have to feel guilty anymore but when we confess, He is faithful and already paid the price thus we should NEVER feel condemned sister, we have Jesus Christ as a mediator between us and God

John 10:10
The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.

John 10:29
My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand.

Thanks

 

[MissCris]

I fall down on my knees and thank God that He came to me and made me His son with the same Spirit and mind and walk as He walks and think as He thinks and hinge my salvation on His perfection in me and His ability to set me aside and my way and put in me His way, Christ in me.

And I thank God that He did send His son Jesus and lead me to repentance and did wash away my sins and did forgive me of them and put His love in me, for God is Love, the kingdom of God is within you. And know what it is to have Christ in me.
And as for perfect as He is -- Be ye therefore perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect was written for a purpose. In Christ is perfection, he is perfect, you cant know Gods perfection without the Christ, it is Christ in you who perfects that which He would have in you. You cant be perfect on your own, no man can, the flesh is not perfect, it is gonna die and decay. What is perfect is Gods Spirit in the man, in this I am His righteousness in Christ. He is the way.

And whosoever believe in Him will be like Him and perfected in Him even as your Father in heaven is perfect. Many say the follow the way of Christ but are not like him at all and refuse that they can be.

Ah, now see, for a minute there you were almost making sense, and now I've lost the loose grasp I had.

I think the problem is that you keep talking in circles around other circles you're already talking in.

 

[Red33]

so Red you have no problem teaching that to have the Holy Spirit dwelling inside of you, YOU are CHRIST and YOU are GOD INCARNATE, JUST Like JESUS?

its in his other posts, not in this thread but I quoted the time GaryMac alludes to it.

Give him the benefit of the doubt, perhaps he can clarify his true meaning of his words. or perhaps he will rant some more about how I don't have Christ in me and Me in Christ instead of addressing the issue.

Do you believe in Jesus final return Red?

Is the NEW Earth and NEW Jereuselum NOW just like GaryMac says?

Do you believe that JEsus has a Resurrected Body or is just SPIRIT as GaryMac also states?

Do you have hope in the resurrection or do you also teach that this is what the whole NEW Birth is, when you get Christ in you and You in christ?

Look past your grudges and think of God's sheep and His little ones.

Personally, I have no interest in what you have to say. Take that any way you want and direct your attention and comments toward others. I think that should be final and remedial.