Bringing things to light

[CS1]

listen I don't care what assertions you make about me anymore.

hey you can cry in your safe space if you like. The truth is You refused to accept the biblical truth of The Lord Jesus Christ and His Church. You made your statement clear. I asked you very specify on The authority of the Church and the Person who is Christ.

You said of Salvation. Not of all. So you can hide behind the RCC jujitsu and be deceptive.

 

[CS1]

for the record I don't have a problem with Calvies who teach tulip corectly

For the record I don't have a problem with any person who behave with manners, reguarsless of what denomination they are

Be it Catholic be it reformed or people with Calvies beliefs.

For the record I have never called you a calvinistic pig.

For the record I have never called you anything

For the record my problem is with Roman Catholic heresy of free will

Not reformed not calvinist.

Why is it a problem to me

Well because many people here have made it my problem.

So now it's there problem

you have a broken record dude. You' re the one who started this thread correct?

You opened with :

"When we talk about bringing things to light, is it better to leave things in darkness or bring the darkness to the light.

Does the light bring it's self to the darkness

So when we talk about removing books out of the Catholic bible, are we removing something that should be seen in light. "


from what I see you believe they have by removing as you say from the "Catholic bible." Yet you failed to see it was not removed the books were never included. until years after the 66 Books just like the 76 in the Ethiopian bible. Again you failed to see why they were not included, not as to ask why they were removed.


That is because The Lord Jesus Christ is the Paramount Figure , Person and Supreme Authority on which all Scripture are to be built on.

You do not agree with that. Therefore most of us here in CC have nothing more to say to your allergizing and improper biblical understanding of the Authoritative word of GOD.

 

[Jordon]

you have a broken record dude. You' re the one who started this thread correct?

You opened with :

"When we talk about bringing things to light, is it better to leave things in darkness or bring the darkness to the light.

Does the light bring it's self to the darkness

So when we talk about removing books out of the Catholic bible, are we removing something that should be seen in light. "


from what I see you believe they have by removing as you say from the "Catholic bible." Yet you failed to see it was not removed the books were never included. until years after the 66 Books just like the 76 in the Ethiopian bible. Again you failed to see why they were not included, not as to ask why they were removed.


That is because The Lord Jesus Christ is the Paramount Figure , Person and Supreme Authority on which all Scripture are to be built on.

You do not agree with that. Therefore most of us here in CC have nothing more to say to your allergizing and improper biblical understanding of the Authoritative word of GOD.

yep again no record broken off me, just you smashing the record to pieces.

Does darkness get seen in light yes or no. Can we bring the light to darkness yes or no

Can we shine a light on the darkness yes or no.

You sir have gone of on one, and decided to do what many do here, which is go all presumptuous


Well ok, what's the real reason the book of Maccabees was removed.

Well so far I've learned there's scripture that aligns with Daniel old t.

Another member confirmed that here to, @Pilgrimshope

So far I have learnt it has been removed because it has something to do with praying for the dead.

Here's the question.

Is it somerhing to do with praying for the dead only

Has the wrong message been wrote in the book of Maccabees about praying for the dead. Or is it linked to purgotry on some other reason to , the second book of Maccabees include prayers for the dead

Should the message of been purification instead of the Catholics calling it purgotry, and if the cathilics would have called it purification instead of purgotry, would we have that book in the reformed bible.

Understand the question has that book been removed on the bases of one or two sentence being in error by human error, could it have been resolved instead of big huge reformation.


Right so the next thing,

Well the Catholics definitely teach purgatory heresy, and strip the authority of Christ.

Which makes them an apostate church.

Now understand the question

Do you realise with purgatory heresy there teaching, human free will conscience makes the final decision on salvation

 

[CS1]

yep again no record broken off me, just you smashing the record to pieces.

Does darkness get seen in light yes or no. Can we bring the light to darkness yes or no

Can we shine a light on the darkness yes or no.

You sir have gone of on one, and decided to do what many do here, which is go all presumptuous


Well ok, what's the real reason the book of Maccabees was removed.

Well so far I've learned there's scripture that aligns with Daniel old t.

Another member confirmed that here to, @Pilgrimshope

So far I have learnt it has been removed because it has something to do with praying for the dead.

Here's the question.

Is it somerhing to do with praying for the dead only

Has the wrong message been wrote in the book of Maccabees about praying for the dead. Or is it linked to purgotry on some other reason to , the second book of Maccabees include prayers for the dead

Should the message of been purification instead of the Catholics calling it purgotry, and if the cathilics would have called it purification instead of purgotry, would we have that book in the reformed bible.

Understand the question has that book been removed on the bases of one or two sentence being in error by human error, could it have been resolved instead of big huge reformation.


Right so the next thing,

Well the Catholics definitely teach purgatory heresy, and strip the authority of Christ.

Which makes them an apostate church.

Now understand the question

Do you realise with purgatory heresy there teaching, human free will makes the final decision on salvation

Jesus is the Light. Jesus is The gospel. Yes I fully aware of the false teaching of praying for the dead to fleece the flock and of purgatory. You fail to acknowledge the supremacy of Christ. asking a question that is irrelevant. the issue is what you accept of Christ and ones conscience doesn't save them. Grace Does through faith.

 

[Jordon]

Jesus is the Light. Jesus is The gospel. Yes I fully aware of the false teaching of praying for the dead to fleece the flock and of purgatory. You fail to acknowledge the supremacy of Christ. asking a question that is irrelevant. the issue is what you accept of Christ and ones conscience doesn't save them. Grace Does through faith.

no I never failed nothing.

I had no ideas what your on about other than you asking me is Jesus the authority.

And maybe it was you wanting a question answered how you wanted it answering.

That's called hiding your answer to judge me with, thats also a form of holding your authority higher than others with a hidden ultimatum.

Now you still haven't answered the important question which had no untimatum.

Why would you even persist with when I pinged you this morning with the answer you wanted to hear, which only came about after I realised why you making your assertion ? And i answered the question any way originally with the son the father and the spirit are the authority, you talked that weird ?


Well let me guess why, eh because you can't answer my question and dont want to


Now you still haven't answered the important questions which had no untimatum.

,So once again I have another thread with only assumptions made against me and none of the question asked that I have asked,

Which is now totting upto something like thousands of times.

But some how I should be held responsible for this..even tho I answer every question asked of me.

Pretty much character assassination.

I'm done

 

[CS1]

no I never failed nothing.

I had no ideas what your on about other than you asking me is Jesus the authority.

And maybe it was you wanting a question answered how you wanted it answering.

That's called hiding your answer to judge me with, thats also a form of holding your authority higher than others with a hidden ultimatum.

Now you still haven't answered the important question which had no untimatum.

Why would you even persist with when I pinged you this morning with the answer you wanted to hear, which only came about after I realised why you making your assertion ? And i answered the question any way originally with the son the father and the spirit are the authority, you talked that weird ?


Well let me guess why, eh because you can't answer my question and dont want to


Now you still haven't answered the important questions which had no untimatum.

,So once again I have another thread with only assumptions made against me and none of the question asked that I have asked,

Which is now totting upto something like thousands of times.

But some how I should be held responsible for this..even tho I answer every question asked of me.

Pretty much character assassination.

I'm done

yes you are done. You don't understand the person of Christ and His Church. You do not understand Foundational Truth of Gods word. Meaning if any of them are not true our faith is vain. You approach the scripture with human reason and intellect yet fail to display having a relationship with the Lord. You emphasize human conscience which cannot comprehend that things of God. Your stuck in Tradition over illumination through and in the Person of Christ. That all. I don't need you to agree with me. I am not mad at you. And I could be wrong. Yet you don't think that is possible for you. When provided the reason to my disagreeing you were defensive.

I asked you about the about the person of Christ and he being The head of the Church. You said "of Salvation."

That is limiting the Biblical Context of Christ. I have a issue with that. You said your theology is RCC so then you have issues when I hold your feet to the fire based on your admission. Sorry. Thus site is not and supporter of RCC. This site hold to Jesus Christ as Supreme. I am not Oneness, and I am not a Calvinist. There are many good saved wonder brother who are and they love the Lord and speak on what they hold to. I respect that yet I do not have to agree with them as you do not with me. There are many good saved Brother an sister who believe the Gifts of the Spirit have stopped. I do not agree with that. But that ok.

 

[Jordon]

yes you are done. You don't understand the person of Christ and His Church. You do not understand Foundational Truth of Gods word. Meaning if any of them are not true our faith is vain. You approach the scripture with human reason and intellect yet fail to display having a relationship with the Lord. You emphasize human conscience which cannot comprehend that things of God. Your stuck in Tradition over illumination through and in the Person of Christ. That all. I don't need you to agree with me. I am not mad at you. And I could be wrong. Yet you don't think that is possible for you. When provided the reason to my disagreeing you were defensive.

I asked you about the about the person of Christ and he being The head of the Church. You said "of Salvation."

That is limiting the Biblical Context of Christ. I have a issue with that. You said your theology is RCC so then you have issues when I hold your feet to the fire based on your admission. Sorry. Thus site is not and supporter of RCC. This site hold to Jesus Christ as Supreme. I am not Oneness, and I am not a Calvinist. There are many good saved wonder brother who are and they love the Lord and speak on what they hold to. I respect that yet I do not have to agree with them as you do not with me. There are many good saved Brother an sister who believe the Gifts of the Spirit have stopped. I do not agree with that. But that ok.

more assertions and escalating your assertions now.

All protestant theology from the reformation is a result of Roman Catholic theology,

So a professor who is my teacher and a very good one who will never be RCC, who is honest says that all protestant theology is also Catholic in one sense, and he would know.

But anyway do you as do and say and presume, that I have Roman Catholic theogly, when I said I could have and not know it,

So once again here I find myself arguing with presumptions.

And once again for the third time in asking.


why is roman Catholic free will heresy allowed to be got away with here everyday,

And why won't you adress this.

Why are people allowed to get away with calling people Calvinist here every day, whilst promoting thee free will heresy.

I'm done

 

[CS1]

more assertions and escalating your assertions now.

All protestant theology from the reformation is a result of Roman Catholic theology,

So a professor who is my teacher and a very good one who will never be RCC, who is honest says that all protestant theology is also Catholic in one sense, and he would know.

But anyway do you as do and say and presume, that I have Roman Catholic theogly, when I said I could have and not know it,

So once again here I find myself arguing with presumptions.

And once again for the third time in asking.


why is roman Catholic free will heresy allowed to be got away with here everyday,

And why won't you adress this.

Why are people allowed to get away with calling people Calvinist here every day, whilst promoting thee free will heresy.

I'm done

Again, you who claim assertions do so. I am not "Protestant." You are very unlearned. I a glad for you and your "Professor."

I know a few of those too. The Number one Claim of the RCC is " They are the First Church." Is that your professors argument ?

The RCC are of many first such as :

1. Unbiblical practices that can't be supported by the word of God
2. who today will tell you salvation in Christ is the I quote "old traditions and old way of thinking."
3. made a man equal with GOD the pope and his words authoritative.
4. Idol worship and salvation my payment of money.

Shall I continue?

If you have a RCC Theology, then your Biblical Understand is flawed as is your professor. And you can tell Him I said that.

It don't mean a thing if you an't Got the King.

 

[JimiSurvivor]

again RCC free will heresy is calling people Calvinistic pigs here all the time.

For three centuries, the early Christian teachers, pastors, apologists and evangelists taught that mankind has a "free will" and are able to yield to or rebel against God.

This was in opposition to a many religions and philosophies of the day which taught that everything we do is CAUSED either by fate or some pagan deity. Augustine, the prolific author and thinker, from North Africa turned the Church to a different way by importing the fatalistic beliefs of the Manichaen cult of which he had been a member for ten years prior to his conversion to Christianity. Through Augustine these pagan teachings gained entry into what HAD been the pure gospel of Jesus and the Apostles. If you do not believe this, take time to read what the early authors said and compare that to what Luther and the Reformers taught.

 

[CS1]

For three centuries, the early Christian teachers, pastors, apologists and evangelists taught that mankind has a "free will" and are able to yield to or rebel against God.

This was in opposition to a many religions and philosophies of the day which taught that everything we do is CAUSED either by fate or some pagan deity. Augustine, the prolific author and thinker, from North Africa turned the Church to a different way by importing the fatalistic beliefs of the Manichaen cult of which he had been a member for ten years prior to his conversion to Christianity. Through Augustine these pagan teachings gained entry into what HAD been the pure gospel of Jesus and the Apostles. If you do not believe this, take time to read what the early authors said and compare that to what Luther and the Reformers taught.

if the Hebrews did not willful disobey GOD why did God punish them?

 

[Jordon]

Again, you who claim assertions do so. I am not "Protestant." You are very unlearned. I a glad for you and your "Professor."

I know a few of those too. The Number one Claim of the RCC is " They are the First Church." Is that your professors argument ?

The RCC are of many first such as :

1. Unbiblical practices that can't be supported by the word of God
2. who today will tell you salvation in Christ is the I quote "old traditions and old way of thinking."
3. made a man equal with GOD the pope and his words authoritative.
4. Idol worship and salvation my payment of money.

Shall I continue?

If you have a RCC Theology, then your Biblical Understand is flawed as is your professor. And you can tell Him I said that.

It don't mean a thing if you an't Got the King.

my faith is reformed, urc church UK.

I love my church I love my people, I dont call myself protessant either. Protestant also means a catholic can be protestant about my faith everyday, which they are knowing it and not knowing it, everyday here.

I don't like seeing people Hurt by people forcing there beliefs on us, every day here with there disrespectful manner. In many ways.

I've took took there rubbish for months, whiist remaining tolerant,

To tell me you don't have and Catholic theolgy you don't know about is probably unfounded, since Catholic is and on it'self was the universal church begin with.

And even the bible mentions catholic as the universal church.

Catholic theology can relate to all manor of things from prayer to faith to discipline to honoring God. To the sacraments that even my church as a couple.

When the reformation began only certain theologies where at question. Not them all. Like the severe ones you mention.

And each denomination today holding some universal Catholic church practice or some theology.

It would be impossible to eradicate all Catholic theology form any denomination.

It's just not going to happen unless you can find a new testament that has just been solely translated from Hebrew which you won't.

You'll only find a Hebrew new testament translated from the greek.

So what's at question here is extreme radical doctrine of human freewill conscience placing it's self as the final decision over salvation.

And how's it's proven in purgatory

 

[CS1]

my faith is reformed, urc church UK.

I love my church I love my people, I dont call myself protessant either. Protestant also means a catholic can be protestant about my faith everyday, which they are knowing it and not knowing it, everyday here.

I don't like to people Hurt by people forcing there beliefs on us, every day here with there disrespectful manner. In many ways.

I've took took there rubbish for months, whiist remaining tolerant,

To tell me you don't have and Catholic theolgy you don't know about is probably unfounded, since Catholic is and on it'self was the universal church begin with.

And even the bible mentions catholic as the universal church.

Catholic theology can relate to all manor of things from prayer to faith to discipline to honoring God. To the sacraments that even my church as a couple.

When the reformation began only certain theologies where at question. Not them all. Like the severe ones you mention.

And each denomination today holding some universal Catholic church practice or some theology.

It would be impossible to eradicate all Catholic theology form any denomination.

It's just not going to happen unless you can find a new testament that has just been solely translated from Hebrew which you won't.

You'll only find a Hebrew new testament translated from the greek.

So what's at question here is extreme radical doctrine of human free conscience placing it's self as the final decision over salvation.

And how's it's proven in purgatory

oh your back I thought you were done? I will tell you this I am a minster and I have learned in Church History and the "c" catholic church as the universal church collectively. You can espouse The RCC as being th first Church and even say they provide Teaching that all Denominations hold to today however, that is not a pass for what they are currently and how they have abandon Salvation by grace through faith. And it doesn't excuse That they teach today all can be saved without Christ if they pay enough.


I am a student of Hebrew and Greek and Latin again The only Person who matter is the Person of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Death, burial and Resurrection. The Lord Jesus Christ is the only way to Heaven as the Gospel of John and many other text state.


There is no purgatory.

 

[Karlon]

When we talk about bringing things to light, is it better to leave things in darkness or bring the darkness to the light.

Does the light bring it's self to the darkness

So when we talk about removing books out of the Catholic bible, are we removing something that should be seen in light.

1st of all, forsake & forget the catholic bible. its partly man authored. then, the so called missing books aren't missing at all neither were they ever missing because they weren't suppose to be in God's Bible because they are man authored. study & learn 2nd Timothy 3;16 & 17 & 2nd Peter 1:20 & 21.

 

[Jordon]

oh your back I thought you were done? I will tell you this I am a minster and I have learned in Church History and the "c" catholic church as the universal church collectively. You can espouse The RCC as being th first Church and even say they provide Teaching that all Denominations hold to today however, that is not a pass for what they are currently and how they have abandon Salvation by grace through faith. And it doesn't excuse That they teach today all can be saved without Christ if they pay enough.


I am a student of Hebrew and Greek and Latin again The only Person who matter is the Person of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Death, burial and Resurrection. The Lord Jesus Christ is the only way to Heaven as the Gospel of John and many other text state.


There is no purgatory.

You speak to me like I believe purgatory is real and there is some truth to purgatory.

And everything else you tell me here I have addressed several times in the same light in several threads..

Now you answer my question

Why is it i have spent so long with you, Explaining to you that I don't practice purgatory I don't believe in purgatory, I'm not a Roman Catholic,

What is your problem with me ?

Why is it you have not understood anything I have said or asked


Why is it you can't address anything I have said



Minister ?

 

[Jordon]

1st of all, forsake & forget the catholic bible. its partly man authored. then, the so called missing books aren't missing at all neither were they ever missing because they weren't suppose to be in God's Bible because they are man authored. study & learn 2nd Timothy 3;16 & 17 & 2nd Peter 1:20 & 21.

hi Karlon

This is a topic I need to talk about.

So basically anybody can say they don't believe in purgatory.

And anyone can say its wrong.

And anyone can say they have eradicated purgatory out of there head.

But the truth is there is no way to eradicate purgatory all together.

I repeat the truth is there is no way to eradicate it all Togeather. It's not going to happen.


I want to know what else besides the RCC view of purgatory could purgatory be understood.

Can purgatory be understood in any other way, and does purgatory have to be called purgatory.

For instance does praying with people in paradise have to be seen as purgatory

Does praying with people in paradise have to be seen as those people are dead in paradise.

Thanks for undersranding @CS1
Now maybe @CS1 can answer my other questions

A big question

Why is roman Catholic heresy ruling this website everyday

 

[Jordon]

YES, you can send prayers to God for your mom.

What's this got to do with Purgatory?

Ask clear questions and get clear answers. Ask confusing questions, get confusing answers or a non answer.

For example.

Can i get more information about HOW prayers for the dead are justified in your church?
YES. Take a look here: https://www.saintjohnchurch.org/prayer-for-the-dead/

Does the Orthodox Church believe in the Purgatory? NO!
That's for Catholics.

In the church we have a service where we pray for the dead. Find an orthodox church near you so you can find out more and ask a priest to put your mother's name if you'd like.
OR, skip the priest altogether and pray to God from your heart about your mother so God can comfort her and so God can keep her and forgive her. Ask God to even give you a sign that your mom is okay.

Again, ask clear questions.

ok thank for your information sorry for my reply I never saw your link, all these posters had my head scrambled, I will have a good study, and ask some more questions thankyou

 

[CS1]

You speak to me like I believe purgatory is real and there is some truth to purgatory.

And everything else you tell me here I have addressed several times in the same light in several threads..

Now you answer my question

Why is it i have spent so long with you, Explaining to you that I don't practice purgatory I don't believe in purgatory, I'm not a Roman Catholic,

What is your problem with me ?

Why is it you have not understood anything I have said or asked


Why is it you can't address anything I have said



Minister ?

First don't try and flip the script as if your post can't be seen. You said your Theology is RCC. I did not say that you did. I asked you His Jesus the Head of the Church. You said of Salvation. You said that not me .

 

[CS1]

hi Karlon

This is a topic I need to talk about.

So basically anybody can say they don't believe in purgatory.

And anyone can say its wrong.

And anyone can say they have eradicated purgatory out of there head.

But the truth is there is no way to eradicate purgatory all together.

I repeat the truth is there is no way to eradicate it all Togeather. It's not going to happen.


I want to know what else besides the RCC view of purgatory could purgatory be understood.

Can purgatory be understood in any other way, and does purgatory have to be called purgatory.

For instance does praying with people in paradise have to be seen as purgatory

Does praying with people in paradise have to be seen as those people are dead in paradise.

Thanks for undersranding @CS1
Now maybe @CS1 can answer my other questions

A big question

Why is roman Catholic heresy ruling this website everyday

lol again the word Purgatory is not in the bible. There is no RCC heresy ruling this web site. You on meds? Name one
heresy CC Holds to

 

[JimiSurvivor]

if the Hebrews did not willful disobey GOD why did God punish them?

Exactly! God is not only motivated by love, He is also just.

 

[CS1]

Exactly! God is not only motivated by love, He is also just.

it means they had the free will to disobey GOD.