Where does the Bible say "ceremonial law"?
Where does the Bible say Gentiles are the former covenant people?
Where in the Bible does it say Gentiles are under the ten commandments?
Where is it?
The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?
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Where does the Bible say Gentiles are the former covenant people?
Where in the Bible does it say Gentiles are under the ten commandments?
Where is it?
The law does not save us
We are not made good or right with God by keeping the Law.
Because you hate to hurt God by sinning you choose to obey the law.
Not to be saved but because you love God.
Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
The point of difference isn't the motive for keeping it. It is the definition of the law.
What is the law we are told to obey?
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
The bible clearly points to different laws
In both the old and new Testament.
The law is often described by context.
For example
Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
This law was abolished. Which law is it??
It isn't the one Jesus was referring to in Matt 5:17
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
The book of Hebrews is good at explaining the cerimonial laws.
Heb 8:4-5
4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law: 5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
MOSES was shown by God the pattern.
Moses was given laws as shadows of heavenly things.
Based on the biblical account in Revelation, the Ark of the Covenant—which historically contained the Ten Commandments—is described as being in the heavenly temple. This shows that the divine, moral law (the Ten Commandments) is preserved in heaven, representing God's unchanging standard.
Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
There are 2 laws because one is in place defining Sin today and one was abolished at the cross.
What we call those laws might differ but the thing that defines what makes the law void or not void is the purpose.
Some laws were a shadow of Christ and these were nailed to the cross.
Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Heb 9:10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
Carnal ordinances.
Gal 3:24-25
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
But you cannot deny that there has always been and will always be a law from start until the finish defining what sin is.
The ceremonial law was a "figure for the time then present" (Hebrews 9:9). Every lamb slain on an altar was a lesson teaching that "without shedding of blood is no remission" (Hebrews 9:22). These laws reached their "end" or goal in Christ, who is the true "Lamb of God" (John 1:29).
I posted Scripture that applies to all of us, and you turned it around as if it only applies to me. I guess you are only interested in selected Scriptures, so I will let you continue on in the direction you're heading. I wish you well.
Sure they are....the same covenant made to Israel, the one where He forgives our sins and remembers them no more, which if we are not part of, I would be concerned. The one that has His laws written in our hearts and minds. Heb8:10 Written in our minds to know and do them, written in the heart because we love Him and delight in doing the will of God Psa 40:8. Those who are in this covenant with God enter by faith.
If we don't have our Fathers Laws written in our heart- whose laws are governing us? Whoever we obey is who we serve. Christ invites us to serve Him, sadly many refuse because they do not like the conditions. They want the blessings on their terms, not God's.
God made sure the Gentiles were included- those who love and want to join themselves to the LORD to serve Him and no one else.
Bible Gateway passage: Isaiah 56 - New King James Version
Salvation for the Gentiles - Thus says the Lord: “Keep justice, and do righteousness, For My salvation is about to come, And My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, And the son of man who lays hold on it; Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath, And keeps his hand from...
Salvation for the Gentiles
Isa 56:1 Thus says the Lord:“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.
Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”
Do not let the son of the foreigner
Who has joined himself to the Lord
Speak, saying,
“The Lord has utterly separated me from His people”;
Nor let the eunuch say,
“Here I am, a dry tree.”
4For thus says the Lord:
“To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths,
And choose what pleases Me,
And hold fast My covenant,
5Even to them I will give in My house
And within My walls a place and a name
Better than that of sons and daughters;
I will give them an everlasting name
That shall not be cut off.
6Also the sons of the foreigner (Gentiles)
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant—
7Even them I will bring to My holy mountain,
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices
Will be accepted on My altar;
For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations.”
8The Lord God, who gathers the outcasts of Israel, says,
“Yet I will gather to him
Others besides those who are gathered to him.”
I did not quote 1 Peter 3:15. So you don't think we are to give an answer when we are asked? interesting...
You said that they were not allow to eat or heal on the Sabbath. That is the statement we were addressing. Now you are saying the homeless and vagabond, which the disciples were, were forbidden to eat from A field that they walked by or through during the Sabbath. Where is that stated in the Book of the Law?
No it's nullifying His sacrifice. He was the Lamb without blemish. He did not come to destroy the Law, but fulfill.
Jesus spent a lot of time with His deciples and followers and He did not tell them to stop keeping the sabbath.
Their actions show that they believed that keeping the sabbath was still important after the death of Jesus.
Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.
ACCORDING TO THE COMMANDMENT.
The sabbath was obeyed, Jesus did not say don't worry about it.
It was the 7th day because the next verse tells us which day they came to anoint Jesus.
Act 1:12 Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey.
Why even call it a Sabbath days journey if they were told to forget about it.
Act 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
According to the commandment
They kept the sabbath.
Rev 12:17 KJV And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Their actions show that they believed that keeping the sabbath was still important after the death of Jesus.
Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.
ACCORDING TO THE COMMANDMENT.
The sabbath was obeyed, Jesus did not say don't worry about it.
It was the 7th day because the next verse tells us which day they came to anoint Jesus.
Act 1:12 Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey.
Why even call it a Sabbath days journey if they were told to forget about it.
Act 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
According to the commandment
They kept the sabbath.
Rev 12:17 KJV And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
They are claiming He is a sinner and broke the Sabbath, which is basically saying He deserved death. The Pharisees were right in their accusations and Jesus even though He claimed in His own words He did not sin John8:45-47 don't believe Him. Its a very sad understanding of Scripture and misunderstanding of His character.
No one earns the Kingdom. Salvation is God’s mercy. But keeping the Ten Commandments is not about earning points with God.
Jesus said, “If thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments” in Gospel of Matthew 19:17. He also said, “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord… but he that doeth the will of my Father” in Gospel of Matthew 7:21.
Obedience is not earning wages. It is the fruit of real faith. Jesus said, “If ye love me, keep my commandments” in Gospel of John 14:15. Grace does not cancel obedience. It leads us to it.
I don't think they actually know what they are saying. Because if He sinned and was not the Lamb without blemish His sacrifice was for not and we are all still in our sins.
Its a very strange mindset, to not obey God because its "work" and we are not saved by "works" so the solution is disobey God. Who made up this doctrine? Not God. Exo20:6 John14:15
Its basically saying I want to do the very least required to get into heaven. I can sin like the devil 1John3:8 and be saved, I can disobey God and live. Was this not the very first lie told in the garden that deceived our first parents that separated them from God. And people think this same deception is going to work now? When the Bible clearly says it won't.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
So worshipping only God ceased? Committing adultery no longer a sin? All the prophecies in the OT destroyed that have yet to be fulfilled, the opposite of what Christ taught. Mat5:19-30
This is what the Bible teaches about the OT, the apostles and Jesus all quoted from the OT so it wasn't "ceased" I would consider who is teaching you these things, because its not the Truth of the Word of God.
This was stated about the OT before the NT was complied:
2 Tim 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
The veil on the earthy temple being torn meant Jesus fulfilled what He came to do.
Dan 9:27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. (not the Word of God)
The earthy temple showed us what God does in His heavenly temple where His ark of the covenant is Rev11:19 that holds the law of God the Ten Commandments and final atonement has yet to come. Why its still a sin to break the least of these commandments Mat5:19-30 James 2:10-12 1John3:4
Okay, if it was not your intent to make reference to that passage, then you are attempting to establish some moral obligation to answer any question, no matter how irrelevant, irrational, ridiculous or insulting, just because it was asked?
Life is not a court trial where everyone is constantly on the stand.
The only exception is if you make an assertion or accusation, you are logically obligated to support it with evidence.
It was posted a few pages back...saying Jesus broke the Sabbath is saying Jesus sinned and the accusations of the Pharisees were correct and He deserved His punishment, instead of being the Lamb without spot or wrinkle who went to the Cross spotless on our behalf.
This was not directed to you unless you said it, but if you wish to see, its posted a few pages back.
