Faith or Law?

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I too understand the KJV is the closest to the Greek out of all translations
YLT and SLT are better. And the KJ3 by J P Green is far better than any of those. Regardless I still use the KJV the most. I was weaned on it. But I have been studying the Greek since the 90’s.
 
Given the current reality, what do you propose?
I use the KJV also friend. But I look at the original at the same time in most cases. As to your question in respect to the average person, they should get an Interlinear, grammar books and lexicons. We don’t need to be scholars. But the in-site the Lord gives as we dig even deeper in His Word is so worth the time.
For me it turns a 15 minute devotional in respect to some given text turns into hours. Hours of prayerful thought on the Lord and what He wants to show us is so fruitful spiritually.
 
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The Reformers used The Greek and Latin text. That is what we should of stuck with.

Well the old reformers sure peddle a lot of false doctrine.

The funniest one they have is God put sin in every little baby while still in the womb as they claim they are born sinners which of course is why they can't stop living in sin. They are sin conscious, got sin on the brain
 
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Well the old reformers sure peddle a lot of false doctrine.

The funniest one they have is God put sin in every little baby while still in the womb as they claim they are born sinners which of course is why they can't stop living in sin. They are sin conscious, got sin on the brain
Children don't even know what sin is.
A child will reach a point when he does understand about sin.
Sin is something that relates to God --- not other humans.

When a person understand what sin is - an act against God - then he becomes responsible for it.

The person we can thank for this horrid belief system is Augustine of Hippo in the 5th century AD.
HE taught that a baby is born HAVING COMMITED the sin of Adam and being responsible for it.

The church never taught this, and to this day, the CC does not teach this.
He was Catholic for anyone that may not know...but spent 10 years in a gnostic sect before converting.
 
That is silly because if they had stuck with the Greek and Latin we would have learned.
I do want to add this to the conversation Qt.....
A person living in New York City, for instance, could learn Greek very quickly.
I know for a fact that it is not a difficult language to learn (Koine Greek).

But it will never be understood as a native would understand it due to cultural differences.
Unless a person lives in a country where the language is spoken,,,some nuances will always be lost.

I admire those such as yourself and @studier who have spent so much time studying the language of the bible.
The reason I admire you is because I know how much time and study it takes to really understand these huances without
having lived in a Greek speaking country. This, of course is addressing hermeneutics.

And, yes, it does take a scholar to understand the bible through the original language.
Most of us cannot do this and must rely on harmonizing all scripture -which is what I attempt to do to the best of
my ability.
 
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I am a member of The Remnant Church, Revelation 12:17 By Faith -I PRAY ! Fulfilling God's Will as protestant of the Roman Catholic Church and her Allies . Revealing GOD''S LIGHT, promoting Religious Realization, Reformation, Revival, Repentance and Renewal. Shining the Light of God's Word, His Holy Spirit, into the darkness of this fallen world, Isaiah 8:20, 1 John 1:5-10, and James 4,

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Nice testimony! Would love to sit and talk.
 
Same if we gave the Bible to a thousand different teachers which leads to the thousands of denominations.
OK, so you don't believe that God appointed some to be Shepherds. Well if you read the bible, you would find that He did.

He also turned unbelievers over to the wolves in sheep's clothing, to have their ears tickled.
 
I see.
Because in post no. 908 you stated the following:

"My Church holds to the 1689 London Baptist Confession of faith."
So, IOW, you attend a church in whose doctrine you do not believe??

But, I'm happy to hear that you follow Jesus.
He taught that He died for all mankind and that any person has the possibility to be saved IF he accepts God's conditions for salvation.

1. Believe in God.
2. Obey God.



You sure do know a lot about me.
Have you been following me around?

Please post no. 2 of the summary...whatever that is.

Again...unless you could prove your claim...
I confirm that there is no good news in the reformed faith.

I believe I've stated why.
Please do the same.


Yes sir.
This I know.
The good news is ONLY for those lucky few that God has chosen to be saved.

For the rest of humanity it's the BAD NEWS.....
everyone else goes to hell, through no fault of their own.

You could attempt to explain how we all deserve death due to our total depravity...
but you must admit that God DID choose some and left others to go to hell.

Thanks for agreeing with me.



Actually, God sent His only Son to win death for everyone...
not just for the lucky few of the reformed.

Even some reformed believe this...as you might know.



Perhaps you could put aside the Confession and read the bible.
I'll show you where the verses are that you are unable to find:


1. GOD LOVES ALL OF HUMANITY

John 3:16
16“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.


JESUS said that God loves the world.
Unless God is a liar we have to take Jesus' word.



John 3:17
17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.

2. GOD WISHES FOR ALL MEN TO BE SAVED
1 Timothy 2:3-4
3This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.


2 Peter 3:9

9The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.





Jesus' atonement was offered for the forgiveness of all mankind.
This is taught in the NT....


1 John 2:2
2and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.
2 Corinthians 5:14-15

14For the love of Christ controls us, having concluded this, that one died for all, therefore all died;
15and He died for all, so that they who live might no longer live for themselves, but for Him who died and rose again on their behalf.



Yes sir.
Although I'd say that God's people will be resurrect to eternal life.


Sure. The source is in the New Testament.
Those that died before Jesus' sacrifice were waiting in Hades.
This is common Christian knowlege.

Luke 16:19-31
19“Now there was a rich man, and he habitually dressed in purple and fine linen, joyously living in splendor every day. 20“And a poor man named Lazarus was laid at his gate, covered with sores, 21and longing to be fed with the crumbs which were falling from the rich man’s table; besides, even the dogs were coming and licking his sores. 22“Now the poor man died and was carried away by the angels to Abraham’s bosom; and the rich man also died and was buried. 23“In Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom. 24“And he cried out and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool off my tongue, for I am in agony in this flame.’ 25“But Abraham said, ‘Child, remember that during your life you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus bad things; but now he is being comforted here, and you are in agony. 26‘And besides all this, between us and you there is a great chasm fixed, so that those who wish to come over from here to you will not be able, and that none may cross over from there to us.’ 27“And he said, ‘Then I beg you, father, that you send him to my father’s house— 28for I have five brothers—in order that he may warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’ 29“But Abraham said, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them.’ 30“But he said, ‘No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent!’ 31“But he said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be persuaded even if someone rises from the dead.’”


Those who believe will be saved.
This is correct.

Question is: What does BELIEVE mean?
If we DO NOT do good works....
are we BELIEVING??

There's only ONE version of the gospel.
And I don't have a denomination...
but you do and it seems you're not very familiar with the New Testament.
It's a good idea to read it often.
I'm still waiting for you to find these illusive verses about God wanting to save all of mankind. You cited a bunch of verses and not a single one said what you're claiming.
Your denomination seems to have deluded you into believing this non existent nonsense.

My Bible says that God sent His Son to save His elect only, and He has left the rest dead in their sin.

Please find these non existent verses, so we can move on. Or apologize for making false claims.
 
Which verses did you mention?
I do my best to reply to all verses.
I might have missed them...
Please repost.

I always believe God.
God does not lie.
You denied that every single person in history was born dead in sin. I'm not sure why you pastor failed to teach you this awful truth.
 
I see.
Because in post no. 908 you stated the following:

"My Church holds to the 1689 London Baptist Confession of faith."
So, IOW, you attend a church in whose doctrine you do not believe??

But, I'm happy to hear that you follow Jesus.
He taught that He died for all mankind and that any person has the possibility to be saved IF he accepts God's conditions for salvation.

1. Believe in God.
2. Obey God.



You sure do know a lot about me.
Have you been following me around?

Please post no. 2 of the summary...whatever that is.

Again...unless you could prove your claim...
I confirm that there is no good news in the reformed faith.

I believe I've stated why.
Please do the same.


Yes sir.
This I know.
The good news is ONLY for those lucky few that God has chosen to be saved.

For the rest of humanity it's the BAD NEWS.....
everyone else goes to hell, through no fault of their own.

You could attempt to explain how we all deserve death due to our total depravity...
but you must admit that God DID choose some and left others to go to hell.

Thanks for agreeing with me.



Actually, God sent His only Son to win death for everyone...
not just for the lucky few of the reformed.

Even some reformed believe this...as you might know.



Perhaps you could put aside the Confession and read the bible.
I'll show you where the verses are that you are unable to find:


1. GOD LOVES ALL OF HUMANITY

John 3:16
16“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.


JESUS said that God loves the world.
Unless God is a liar we have to take Jesus' word.



John 3:17
17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.

2. GOD WISHES FOR ALL MEN TO BE SAVED
1 Timothy 2:3-4
3This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.


2 Peter 3:9

9The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.





Jesus' atonement was offered for the forgiveness of all mankind.
This is taught in the NT....


1 John 2:2
2and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.
2 Corinthians 5:14-15

14For the love of Christ controls us, having concluded this, that one died for all, therefore all died;
15and He died for all, so that they who live might no longer live for themselves, but for Him who died and rose again on their behalf.



Yes sir.
Although I'd say that God's people will be resurrect to eternal life.


Sure. The source is in the New Testament.
Those that died before Jesus' sacrifice were waiting in Hades.
This is common Christian knowlege.

Luke 16:19-31
19“Now there was a rich man, and he habitually dressed in purple and fine linen, joyously living in splendor every day. 20“And a poor man named Lazarus was laid at his gate, covered with sores, 21and longing to be fed with the crumbs which were falling from the rich man’s table; besides, even the dogs were coming and licking his sores. 22“Now the poor man died and was carried away by the angels to Abraham’s bosom; and the rich man also died and was buried. 23“In Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom. 24“And he cried out and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool off my tongue, for I am in agony in this flame.’ 25“But Abraham said, ‘Child, remember that during your life you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus bad things; but now he is being comforted here, and you are in agony. 26‘And besides all this, between us and you there is a great chasm fixed, so that those who wish to come over from here to you will not be able, and that none may cross over from there to us.’ 27“And he said, ‘Then I beg you, father, that you send him to my father’s house— 28for I have five brothers—in order that he may warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’ 29“But Abraham said, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them.’ 30“But he said, ‘No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent!’ 31“But he said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be persuaded even if someone rises from the dead.’”


Those who believe will be saved.
This is correct.

Question is: What does BELIEVE mean?
If we DO NOT do good works....
are we BELIEVING??

There's only ONE version of the gospel.
And I don't have a denomination...
but you do and it seems you're not very familiar with the New Testament.
It's a good idea to read it often.
My Church agrees with the 1689 confession, our confession is very similar. Our confession is not our God, the Lord Jesus is our God
 
OK, so you don't believe that God appointed some to be Shepherds. Well if you read the bible, you would find that He did.

He also turned unbelievers over to the wolves in sheep's clothing, to have their ears tickled.
A bit of a leap in logic and aggressive. but par for the course here.

Our Text tells us that shepherds become negligent and worse. My comment concerned the current state of teachings and teachers and denominations... Check on Scriptures having to do with false teachers, ear ticklers, and such combined with the fact of battling systematic theologies, and...