The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

[vassal]

The line "pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath"
Was Jesus talking about the Jews in AD 70; the desolation of the temple and Jerusalem.

The Jews were told to flee and hope it's not on a sabbath in Luke 21.
But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then recognize that her desolation is near. Then those who
are in Judea must flee to the mountains, and those who are in the midst of the city must leave, and those who
are in the country must not enter the city; because these are days of vengeance, so that all things which are
written will be fulfilled. Woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days;
for there will be great distress upon the land and wrath to this people; and they will fall by the edge of the sword,
and will be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled under foot by the Gentiles until
the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

That's what Jesus was talking about the wrath of God upon Israel.

Listen carefully, if you think everything Jesus said is for the Jews only then if means you will not be saved, the evidence it is for everyone i already explained to you in the past. if you want to heat it again let me know.

 

[vassal]

Any letter of the law cannot pass unless all the law is fulfilled.

A ceremonial letter cannot pass unless all the law is fulfilled.

till all be fulfilled. (Matthew 5:18)

Jesus came to fulfill the law.

Once the law is fulfilled then the law is obsolete, has passed.

Any commandment cannot pass unless all is fulfilled.

Unless the law is fulfilled.

you invent things again, ( everything in orange is pure speculation and an invention )

show me your verses and Ill show you mine! LOL

listen, it is not a question of who is right or wrong, it is not a contest, we just need to establish the truth of scripture according to God/Jesus words. this is what is important not what we think we know or not.

 

[vassal]

Where does He tell us that keeping the Sabbath is required if we love Him?

is not the Sabbath a commandment?

Deu 5:12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.​

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Deu 5:13 Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work:​

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Deu 5:14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that iswithin thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.​

and part is the covenant:

Exodus 34:28, it is written:​

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"So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments."​

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"So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone (Deuteronomy 4:13, NKJV)​

Jesus said said : If ye love me, keep my commandments. (john 14:15) Now to you see?

 

[SabbathBlessing]

is not the Sabbath a commandment?

Deu 5:12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.​

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Deu 5:13 Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work:​

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Deu 5:14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that iswithin thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.​

and part is the covenant:

Exodus 34:28, it is written:​

​

"So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments."​

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"So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone (Deuteronomy 4:13, NKJV)​

Jesus said said : If ye love me, keep my commandments. (john 14:15) Now to you see?

And the Sabbath is still according to the commandment of God in the NC

Luke23:56
56 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

Happy Sabbath!

 

[vassal]

And the Sabbath is still according to the commandment in the NC

Luke23:56
56 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

Happy Sabbath!

you too! Happy Sabbath!

I was reading Deuteronomy this morning and it is written over and over to keep the commandments and why, it is incredible that some think they were abolished.

Blessings

 

[SabbathBlessing]

you too! Happy Sabbath!

I was reading Deuteronomy this morning and it is written over and over to keep the commandments and why, it is incredible that some think they were abolished.

Blessings

There are so many paths that connects the Sabbath that clearly shows the 4th commandment is binding for mankind.

For example:

Mark 3:4 Then He said to them, “Is it lawful on the Sabbath to do good or to do evil, to save life or to kill?” But they kept silent.

This is Jesus speaking, never abolishing the Sabbath as He already stated plainly Mat5:17-30 but teaching we can still do good or evil on the Sabbath.

The Bible already defines what is doing evil on the Sabbath

Neh 13:17 17 Then I contended with the nobles of Judah, and said to them, “What evil thing is this that you do, by which you profane the Sabbath day?

Isa 56:2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”


I do not believe something God deems as doing evil, ever turns into a blessing. I am the LORD, I do not change. Mal3:6

Compared to the verses before this passage that keeping the Sabbath is doing justice and righteousness, this is the LORD speaking, the same LORD who said Mark3:4


56 Thus says the LORD:

“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.

The Sabbath never changed from something man does to what Christ does. We have to participate

Doing jutice and righteousness which Christ Himself deems as keeping the Sabbath and its a blessing, is the foundation of His Throne

Psa89:34 Righteousness and justice are the foundation of Your throne;

The choice seems obvious to me. God is inviting us to join ourselves to Him and serve Him Isa56:6 He wants to spend sanctified time with His children. He won't force it, but He knocks and the invitation is open to everyone.


Isa56: 6 “Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the LORD, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the LORD, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant

HAPPY SABBATH!

 

[vassal]

There are so many paths that connects the Sabbath that clearly shows the 4th commandment is binding for mankind.

For example:

Mark 3:4 Then He said to them, “Is it lawful on the Sabbath to do good or to do evil, to save life or to kill?” But they kept silent.

This is Jesus speaking, never abolishing the Sabbath as He already stated plainly Mat5:17-30 but teaching we can still do good or evil on the Sabbath.

The Bible already defines what is doing evil on the Sabbath

Neh 13:17 17 Then I contended with the nobles of Judah, and said to them, “What evil thing is this that you do, by which you profane the Sabbath day?

Isa 56:2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”


I do not believe something God deems as doing evil, ever turns into a blessing. I am the LORD, I do not change. Mal3:6

Compared to the verses before this passage that keeping the Sabbath is doing justice and righteousness, this is the LORD speaking, the same LORD who said Mark3:4


56 Thus says the LORD:

“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.

The Sabbath never changed from something man does to what Christ does. We have to participate

Doing jutice and righteousness which Christ Himself deems as keeping the Sabbath and its a blessing, is the foundation of His Throne

Psa89:34 Righteousness and justice are the foundation of Your throne;

The choice seems obvious to me. God is inviting us to join ourselves to Him and serve Him Isa56:6 He wants to spend sanctified time with His children. He won't force it, but He knocks and the invitation is open to everyone.


Isa56: 6 “Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the LORD, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the LORD, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant

HAPPY SABBATH!

Deu 5:14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that IS within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou. =====> everyone who follows GOD and do His will!

Deu 16:11 And thou shalt rejoice before the LORD thy God, thou, and thy son, and thy daughter, and thy manservant, and thy maidservant, and the Levite that is within thy gates, and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, that are among you, in the place which the LORD thy God hath chosen to place his name there. =====> everyone who follows GOD and do His will!

Deu 16:14 And thou shalt rejoice in thy feast, thou, and thy son, and thy daughter, and thy manservant, and thy maidservant, and the Levite, the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, that are within thy gates. =====> everyone who follows GOD and do His will!

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Deu 5:14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that IS within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou. =====> everyone who follows GOD and do His will!

Deu 16:11 And thou shalt rejoice before the LORD thy God, thou, and thy son, and thy daughter, and thy manservant, and thy maidservant, and the Levite that is within thy gates, and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, that are among you, in the place which the LORD thy God hath chosen to place his name there. =====> everyone who follows GOD and do His will!

Deu 16:14 And thou shalt rejoice in thy feast, thou, and thy son, and thy daughter, and thy manservant, and thy maidservant, and the Levite, the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, that are within thy gates. =====> everyone who follows GOD and do His will!

Yes! This ties in plainly with what the LORD said here.


Isa56: 6 “Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the LORD, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the LORD, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant

God wants to spend holy and sactified time with His children. He never made the Sabbath holy for Himself, He never blessed the Sabbath day for Himself, He is Blessed forever He is holy forever, everything He did was made for man Mark2:27 the Sabbath is God's gift to humanity to delight ourself in the LORD Isa58:13-14 and its forever tied to Him being our Creator Exo20:11 Rev14:7 why He said Remember.

 

[vassal]

Yes! This ties in plainly with what the LORD said here.


Isa56: 6 “Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the LORD, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the LORD, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant

God wants to spend holy and sactified time with His children. He never made the Sabbath holy for Himself, He never blessed the Sabbath day for Himself, He is Blessed forever He is holy forever, everything He did was made for man Mark2:27 the Sabbath is God's gift to humanity to delight ourself in the LORD Isa58:13-14 and its forever tied to Him being our Creator Exo20:11 Rev14:7 why He said Remember.

Yes, No distinctions, anyone can follow God and do his will if they want to, God will never force anyone, it is a choice that is given us.

Peter after his vision in Acts 10 confirmed the Words of God are for anyone you wants to Follow the Lord;

Act 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

Act 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

 

[Just_A__Follower]

is not the Sabbath a commandment?

Deu 5:12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.​

​

Deu 5:13 Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work:​

​

Deu 5:14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that iswithin thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.​

Not to gentiles. Never was.

and part is the covenant:

Exodus 34:28, it is written:​

​

"So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments."​

​

"So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone (Deuteronomy 4:13, NKJV)​

Jesus said said : If ye love me, keep my commandments. (john 14:15) Now to you see?

Are you not under the new covenant? Are you still under the other 603 laws?

 

[Rob7]

When Dino is presented with a biblical, scriptural quoting argument for God's requirement to be God's Children to "Fear God and give him Glory, for the hour of His Judgement is come" ~~> Rev 14:7 ( => Obedience to God )

To demonstrate from the Bible that God’s Ten Commandments (or moral law principles) existed before Moses, The Ten Commandments reflect God’s eternal moral law, not something created at Sinai.

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1. The Law Existed in Principle From Creation;​

Genesis 2:16-17 – “And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”

Explanation:
This shows that God gave a command with moral consequences before the Mosaic law. This is evidence that the law of God (the principle of obedience to Him) existed before Sinai. The command not to eat of the tree aligns with the spirit of the Fourth Commandment in that it calls for obedience to God’s authority.

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2. The Ten Commandments are Eternal Principles​

Exodus 20:1-17 – The Ten Commandments themselves.
While Moses formally received the written tablets here, These reflect eternal moral principles rather than newly given laws.

Psalm 119:89-91 – “For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven. Thy faithfulness is unto all generations: thou hast established the earth, and it abideth. They continue this day according to thine ordinances: for all are thy servants.”

Explanation:
The psalmist affirms that God’s law and statutes are eternal, not created at Sinai. The law was engraved on hearts and minds before Sinai, with Sinai simply formalizing it in written form.

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3. Abraham and Other Patriarchs Observed God’s Law​

Genesis 26:5 – “Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.”

Explanation:
Abraham lived hundreds of years before Moses, yet he is described as keeping God’s commandments. This implies the commandments were known and binding before Sinai. This implies the commandments were known and binding before Sinai. The patriarchs followed God’s moral law, even without the written tablets.

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4. The Sabbath as Evidence of Pre-Mosaic Law​

Genesis 2:2-3 – “And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it…”

Explanation:
The Sabbath was instituted at creation, long before Moses, demonstrating that at least the Fourth Commandment existed from the beginning. The Sabbath is a creation ordinance and was observed by Adam, Noah, and Abraham. Moses, Jesus, Paul, et al .... and NOW, we obedient Children of God.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++~~ Blessed Day Folks ~~+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Dino replies;

Verbose blather.

Which is just further evidence of Dino being a False Prophet, of the "Un-holy Trinity" of the The Dragon, The Beast and the False Prophet of Revelation

"And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet." Revelation 16:13, KJV

The dragon ~~> Satan
The Beast ~~~> the RCC ... (Antichrist, as pointed out by ALL of the classical Protestant Reformers )
The False Prophet ~~> the current false & deceptive religious systems, which supports and promotes the beast's religion of disobedience (sin) to God.

These three are depicted as working together in end-time deception, influencing nations to gather for battle at Armageddon (Revelation 16:14). The imagery of frogs symbolizes unclean, impure, and disruptive spiritual forces, drawing a parallel to the plague of frogs in Egypt (Exodus 8:1–15)

++++++++++++++++++++++++ ~~ Blessed Sabbath Folks ~~ ++++++++++++++++++++++++
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[Dino246]

When Dino is presented with a biblical, scriptural quoting argument for God's requirement to be God's Children to "Fear God and give him Glory, for the hour of His Judgement is come" ~~> Rev 14:7 ( => Obedience to God )

Dino replies;

Which is just further evidence of Dino being a False Prophet, of the "Un-holy Trinity" of the The Dragon, The Beast and the False Prophet of Revelation

"And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet." Revelation 16:13, KJV

The dragon ~~> Satan
The Beast ~~~> the RCC ... (Antichrist, as pointed out by ALL of the classical Protestant Reformers )
The False Prophet ~~> the deceptive religious system, which supports and promotes the beast's religion of disobedience (sin) to God.

These three are depicted as working together in end-time deception, influencing nations to gather for battle at Armageddon (Revelation 16:14). The imagery of frogs symbolizes unclean, impure, and disruptive spiritual forces, drawing a parallel to the plague of frogs in Egypt (Exodus 8:1–15)

++++++++++++++++++++++++ ~~ Blessed Sabbath Folks ~~ ++++++++++++++++++++++++
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More verbose blather. At least you’re consistent.

 

[vassal]

Not to gentiles. Never was.

Are you not under the new covenant? Are you still under the other 603 laws?

why would I try To follow the 613 as a gentile? more them half of those cannot be followed you know this.

the new covenant is the same as the previous one (The Ten Commandments) see Jer 31:31-33;

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
that means the covenant( the ten Commandments), go from the mere written letters to the heart and Mind, God will place them there through the Holw Spirit that was promosed to those who love Him;

John 14:16–17​

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Jesus promises to ask the Father to send "another Comforter" who will abide forever — the Spirit of truth whom the world cannot receive.​

John 14:26​

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The Comforter is identified as the Holy Spirit, sent in Jesus's name, who will teach them all things and bring His words to remembrance.​

John 15:26​

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Jesus says He will send the Comforter from the Father — the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father and will testify of Jesus.​

John 16:7​

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One of the most striking statements — Jesus says it is actually better for them that He goes away, because if He doesn't leave, the Comforter will not come.​

John 16:13–14​

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The Comforter will guide them into all truth, not speaking on His own authority but speaking what He hears, and will glorify Jesus.​

the mind: you understand them and remember them, the heart: you Love God and want to follow him and obey him and keep His Commandments ( the Covenant) .

as for the gentiles read the previous posts of this morning no 5207, 5208, 5209. for starters do not gorget the great comission as spoken by Jesus;
Mat 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.

Mat 28:17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

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Mrk 16:14 Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.

Mrk 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Mrk 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Mrk 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

Mrk 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Mrk 16:19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

Mrk 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

 

[pinebeach]

you too! Happy Sabbath!

I was reading Deuteronomy this morning and it is written over and over to keep the commandments and why, it is incredible that some think they were abolished.

Blessings

You accuse others of lying but what you keep presenting is that those who understand that Jesus FULLFILLED the commandments have not and are not, saying we believe the commandments are abolished. We do not live by the law or an attempt to keep commandments that no one has ever kept. If you fail at even the smallest attempt to do so, remembering that even thoughts are known by God, then you have failed completely and are guilty of breaking ALL of it.

But you will continue with your false narrative as you have done in the past and I could not care less for whatever you have or think you have to say to me. This thread is a failure at presenting the gospel and most people here know that.

The commandments judge all who are without Jesus and all who vainly believe they are 'doing their best' to keep them.

No one has stated they are abolished. That, is your false representation of others but your own false representation of the gospel of Jesus is what is the real danger here.

 

[Dino246]

2. The Ten Commandments are Eternal Principles
Exodus 20:1-17 – The Ten Commandments themselves.
While Moses formally received the written tablets here, These reflect eternal moral principles rather than newly given laws.

Psalm 119:89-91 “For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven. Thy faithfulness is unto all generations: thou hast established the earth, and it abideth. They continue this day according to thine ordinances: for all are thy servants.”

Explanation:
The psalmist affirms that God’s law and statutes are eternal, not created at Sinai. The law was engraved on hearts and minds before Sinai, with Sinai simply formalizing it in written form.

What the text actually says (and not even about the law!), is this: "thy word is settled in heaven". That's it; that's all. The other statements are about God's faithfulness ("unto all generations") and the earth ("it abideth"). God's faithfulness and the earth continue to this day according to God's ordinances. Nothing at all is said about anything being "eternal".

You would do well to learn English grammar and the meanings of key words so that you stop your blatant misunderstanding of Scripture.

Abraham and Other Patriarchs Observed God’s Law
Genesis 26:5 – “Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Explanation:
Abraham lived hundreds of years before Moses, yet he is described as keeping God’s commandments. This implies the commandments were known and binding before Sinai.

Yours is a fallacious, "argument from silence". Scripture does not specify which commandments, statutes, and laws Abraham knew. You are making an unfounded assumption that these things are the ten commandments.

Oddly (but not surprisingly) you overlook the fact that these are the same terms used later for the laws Moses wrote, which you dismiss as not binding today.

The patriarchs followed God’s moral law, even without the written tablets.

Another argument from silence.

The Sabbath as Evidence of Pre-Mosaic Law
Genesis 2:2-3 – “And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it…”[/I]

Explanation:
The Sabbath was instituted at creation, long before Moses, demonstrating that at least the Fourth Commandment existed from the beginning. is a creation ordinance and was observed by Adam, Noah, and Abraham. Moses, Jesus, Paul, et al .... and NOW, we obedient Children of God.

You grossly overuse formatting options.

The Sabbath was instituted, not commanded. There is nothing in the text about the other nine commandments.

Your argument is empty of substance; or as I said, verbose blather.

 

[Rob7]

Not to gentiles. Never was.

Are you not under the new covenant? Are you still under the other 603 laws?

~~ The New Covenant Still Requires Obedience to God ~~

The New Covenant, while distinct in some respects from the Old Covenant, does not nullify the need for obedience. Instead, it establishes a deeper, more intimate ( Loving ) relationship with God, centered on faith, grace, and the work of the Holy Spirit.

• Hebrews 8:10 – “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people.”
• Jeremiah 31:33 – “But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.”

Explanation:
In the New Covenant, the law of God—which includes moral commandments such as the Ten Commandments—remains central, but instead of being written on tablets of stone, it is now written on the hearts and minds of believers. This transformation means that God’s law is internalized through the power of the Holy Spirit. Therefore, obedience to God is not about legalism, but about a heart that desires to follow God’s will out of love and gratitude.

2. Obedience is a Fruit of Faith in Christ​

The New Covenant empowers believers to obey God through faith, but it is important to emphasize that obedience does not earn salvation—it is the result of having received the righteousness of Christ through faith.

Romans 1:5 – “By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name.”

• Romans 16:26 – “But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith.”
• John 14:15 – “If ye love me, keep my commandments.”
• John 15:10 – “If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.”

Explanation:
The New Covenant calls us to obedience—but this obedience is rooted in faith in Christ, not in self-effort or legalistic rule-keeping. Faith and obedience go hand in hand. As we believe in Jesus Christ and His sacrifice for us, our love for Him compels us to keep His commandments. Obedience is a response to God’s grace, not a way to earn it.

3. Righteousness of Christ is Received by Faith​

In the New Covenant, the righteousness of Christ is imputed to believers through faith. This means that our obedience is empowered by the righteousness Christ gives us, and through this righteousness, we are able to fear God and give Him glory.

Romans 3:21-22 – “But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference.”

• Romans 5:19 – “For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.”
• Philippians 3:9 – “And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith.”

Explanation:
The righteousness of Christ is what enables believers to stand before God with confidence, for it is not our own righteousness that saves us, but Christ’s perfect obedience. As we receive His righteousness by faith, we are empowered to obey God’s commandments, and this obedience becomes the fruit of the righteousness of Christ working in us.

4. The Fear of God and Giving Him Glory (Revelation 14:7)​

The call to fear God and give Him glory is not a command to live in terror of God, but to have a reverent awe and deep respect for His holiness, justice, and love. This is the essence of true worship in the last days.

Revelation 14:7 – “Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.”

• Ecclesiastes 12:13 – “Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.”

Explanation:
The fear of God, in the context of Revelation 14:7, is not about fearing punishment, but about reverencing His sovereignty and worshipping Him in obedience to His commandments. As we obey God by faith, we demonstrate our fear of Him—we acknowledge His rightful authority over our lives. This obedience to His Word is what gives glory to God because it reflects His character in us.

Conclusion:​

In the New Covenant, obedience to God remains crucial, but it is rooted in faith—faith in Christ’s sacrifice and His righteousness imputed to us. Obedience is not a burden, but a natural result of a heart transformed by the Holy Spirit.

In Revelation 14:7, the call to fear God and give Him glory is a call to obedient worship—worship that acknowledges His sovereignty, trusts in His righteousness, and follows His commandments out of love. The righteousness of Christ is the power that enables us to live in obedience, not through our strength, but through faith in His saving grace.

*** @vassal *** Blessed Sabbath Brother ~~~> I had planned on getting up this morning and doing a study on the argument for "Obedience to God" by adhering to "His New Testament Covenant", which so many here in the CC are misunderstanding and using as an argument for their "Religion of Disobedience", which allows them to continue in sin, and will lead them inevitable to perdition.
You beat me to it, so I'll present anyways, as it is the SAME TRUTH, just from a different perspective. Thank you for your ministry !

++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ~~ Happy Sabbath ~~ +++++++++++++++++++++++++​

 

[Just_A__Follower]

~~ The New Covenant Still Requires Obedience to God ~~

The New Covenant, while distinct in some respects from the Old Covenant, does not nullify the need for obedience. Instead, it establishes a deeper, more intimate ( Loving ) relationship with God, centered on faith, grace, and the work of the Holy Spirit.

• Hebrews 8:10 – “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people.”
• Jeremiah 31:33 – “But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.”

Explanation:
In the New Covenant, the law of God—which includes moral commandments such as the Ten Commandments—remains central, but instead of being written on tablets of stone, it is now written on the hearts and minds of believers. This transformation means that God’s law is internalized through the power of the Holy Spirit. Therefore, obedience to God is not about legalism, but about a heart that desires to follow God’s will out of love and gratitude.

2. Obedience is a Fruit of Faith in Christ​

The New Covenant empowers believers to obey God through faith, but it is important to emphasize that obedience does not earn salvation—it is the result of having received the righteousness of Christ through faith.

Romans 1:5 – “By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name.”

• Romans 16:26 – “But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith.”
• John 14:15 – “If ye love me, keep my commandments.”
• John 15:10 – “If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.”

Explanation:
The New Covenant calls us to obedience—but this obedience is rooted in faith in Christ, not in self-effort or legalistic rule-keeping. Faith and obedience go hand in hand. As we believe in Jesus Christ and His sacrifice for us, our love for Him compels us to keep His commandments. Obedience is a response to God’s grace, not a way to earn it.

3. Righteousness of Christ is Received by Faith​

In the New Covenant, the righteousness of Christ is imputed to believers through faith. This means that our obedience is empowered by the righteousness Christ gives us, and through this righteousness, we are able to fear God and give Him glory.

Romans 3:21-22 – “But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference.”

• Romans 5:19 – “For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.”
• Philippians 3:9 – “And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith.”

Explanation:
The righteousness of Christ is what enables believers to stand before God with confidence, for it is not our own righteousness that saves us, but Christ’s perfect obedience. As we receive His righteousness by faith, we are empowered to obey God’s commandments, and this obedience becomes the fruit of the righteousness of Christ working in us.

4. The Fear of God and Giving Him Glory (Revelation 14:7)​

The call to fear God and give Him glory is not a command to live in terror of God, but to have a reverent awe and deep respect for His holiness, justice, and love. This is the essence of true worship in the last days.

Revelation 14:7 – “Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.”

• Ecclesiastes 12:13 – “Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.”

Explanation:
The fear of God, in the context of Revelation 14:7, is not about fearing punishment, but about reverencing His sovereignty and worshipping Him in obedience to His commandments. As we obey God by faith, we demonstrate our fear of Him—we acknowledge His rightful authority over our lives. This obedience to His Word is what gives glory to God because it reflects His character in us.

Conclusion:​

In the New Covenant, obedience to God remains crucial, but it is rooted in faith—faith in Christ’s sacrifice and His righteousness imputed to us. Obedience is not a burden, but a natural result of a heart transformed by the Holy Spirit.

In Revelation 14:7, the call to fear God and give Him glory is a call to obedient worship—worship that acknowledges His sovereignty, trusts in His righteousness, and follows His commandments out of love. The righteousness of Christ is the power that enables us to live in obedience, not through our strength, but through faith in His saving grace.

*** @vassal *** Blessed Sabbath Brother ~~~> I had planned on getting up this morning and doing a study on the argument for "Obedience to God" by adhering to "His New Testament Covenant", which so many here in the CC are misunderstanding and using as an argument for their "Religion of Disobedience", which allows them to continue in sin, and will lead them inevitable to perdition.
You beat me to it, so I'll present anyways, as it is the SAME TRUTH, just from a different perspective. Thank you for your ministry !

++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ~~ Happy Sabbath ~~ +++++++++++++++++++++++++​

Thanks for the lesson in SDA theology, but Christians are not under the Mosaic law, including the Sabbath. Galatians 3:23–25 calls the law a guardian until Christ came, and Galatians 5:18 and Romans 6:14 make clear that believers are led by the Spirit, not bound by law. The law written on the heart in Jeremiah 31:33 refers to the Spirit producing obedience in faith, not reinstating the Sinai covenant. Obedience is real, but it flows from faith in Christ, not legalistic rule-keeping, and Gentile believers are never commanded to observe the Mosaic law.

Happy Saturday, gotta get back to work.

 

[Inquisitor]

its a dual prophecy and as well confirms what you deny.

Can you explain what you mean by "dual prophecy"?

I do not accept Matthew 24.

I never knew the law until I was close to 30 years old and I did not grow up in a Christian
family. I never even knew the ten commandments except for stealing and murder, which
I saw in two Christian movies.

I pay very close attention to Paul the apostle to the Gentiles.

Paul rarely quotes the law except in Romans and Galatians and both of these letters, speak
against the law for righteousness.

 

[Inquisitor]

There is no Scripture that says Jesus is the Sabbath rest or the 4th commandment.

According to Christ the Sabbath is something man does

Isa56:1Thus saith the LORD

Isa 56:2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.

God never gave Himself a commandment to keep, the Sabbath is something man does- keeps the Sabbath day holy, the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD. Exo20:8-11 The Sabbath is made for man, not Jesus, this teaching is not found in our Bibles and goes against the very words of Jesus Himself!

Lets look at the NC and test to how this theory works out if Jesus turned into the Sabbath

Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath (Jesus)

On the next Sabbath (Jesus) almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath (Jesus), and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

Jesus speaking about 40 years after the Cross, not something He ever taught that He is the Sabbath, its still something man does.

Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath (Jesus)day

It still something man does, just as God commanded- because there is no one greater than He to change a jot or tittle when He said He would not. Mat5:18-19 This is exactly why we are told not to add to God's Word, because we are taking the pure Truth of His word and making it about what works for us. We are only sanctified by God's Truth John17:17 and the Sabbath is the sign of His sanctification Eze20:12 So if God can't tell us how to keep His own commandments and who they are for, than what is that really saying?

For the sake of every person on this forum can you stop using the Jewish calendar.

In our society we don't have a day of preparation which would be Friday.

We do not have a sabbath day which is Saturday on our calendar.

Nor do we have a first day which is Sunday on our calendar.

Through history in every country in the world we worked seven days a week, but the Jews
had a public holiday on Saturday. So they could spend the day in rest.

Not until Constantine in the fourth century did the Roman Empire get a day off, and that
was Sunday. A Saturday rest day was unknown until the 19th Century in Britain.

A seventh day rest was impossible for everyone except in Israel.

 

[Inquisitor]

you invent things again, ( everything in orange is pure speculation and an invention )

show me your verses and Ill show you mine! LOL

listen, it is not a question of who is right or wrong, it is not a contest, we just need to establish the truth of scripture according to God/Jesus words. this is what is important not what we think we know or not.

This is a big problem I have with your theology.

The entire law and the prophets were fulfilled by Jesus and that is a fact.

Your saying that a division in the law was not fulfilled and must be fulfilled by you.

Do you understand that the letter of the law is lethal?