Adventists, Ellen G. White, failed prophecies and scripture

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Acts 2:17 ‘And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God,
That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh;
Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
Your young men shall see visions,
Your old men shall dream dreams.

When God's people would go away from God's word God would raise up a prophet or messenger to get them back to His word. God does not change. That's what EGW did with God's Sabbath- almost the whole world forget what our Father said to Remember.

But just like what happened in Scripture it continues- I mean the whole world mocked Noah. People did this to everyone of God's prophets and apostles, its nothing new under the sun.

2 Chron 36:16 But they mocked the messengers of God, and despised his words, and misused his prophets, until the wrath of the LORD arose against his people, till there was no remedy.
 
Thank you. I did read it. I am still wondering whether you think Agabus was a true prophet.

Your answer should inform your position on the possibility of true prophets operating today.
He was, but I believe there are none today.

-Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is
I CORINTHIANS 13:8

-For we know in part and we prophesy in part.
I CORINTHIANS 13:9

-But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.
I CORINTHIANS 13:10
 
1845
Because of all the fanatical religious movements happening at the time, some people had accused Ellen White’s visions of just being a part of that hype. This troubled her, and one time when she felt she was receiving a vision, she resisted it out of concern that it wasn’t really God. When she did so, she became mute. In the vision, an angel told her she’d be able to speak again in 24 hours. She also saw a card that had 50 texts of Scripture written in letters of gold. These verses indeed acknowledged her faltering faith in this situation, but also encouraged her to keep on, knowing God would be guiding her. (Life Sketches of Ellen G. White, p. 89-90)


In this particular revelatory 'vision' she had, we see the beginning of the departure from truth as more pronounced. How can a persons' so called visions be without criticism or questionning when they will be presented as apart from scripture and actually distorting scripture and contrary to it?
 
When we have to relate the Sabbath as a "cult" when God Himself said this

the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God Exo20:10 the Sabbath is the holy day of the LORD Isa58:13 Jesus is LORD of the Sabbath Mark2:28 join yourself to the LORD and serve Him those who keep the Sabbath Isa56:6 Blessed is the man who keeps the Sabbath Isa56:2 from one Sabbath to another all flesh(the saints Rev14:12) will come before the LORD to worship Him Isa66:23

These are all thus saith the LORDS words that directly came out of God. no wonder why God said to Remember the Sabbath day, because whose voice are we serving when we choose to forget. Not God's. To teach the opposite is where there is no light (not coming from God) Isa8:20NKJV not resting and trusting in words Jesus who is God told us to live by Mat4:4

These attacks are really more an attack on the one who said this, the Creator Exo20:11, the only God we are called to worship Rev14:7 and its really more of a blessings than anything so thanks and praise and glory to Him. Mat10:22
 
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So, we begin to see a pattern in the visions of White. Each vision was accompanied by an 'angel'.

Apparently, she also had 'visions' explicity for the SDA church. It should be noted that the New Testament is full of instructions for actual believers in Christ without the division of sects or cults, but rather instruction for ALL who are in Christ. So early on, we see the separation from other believers and the SDA doctrine taking shape; a doctrine that would separate it from actual biblical instruction and truth.

She saw believers traveling on a narrow pathway to the Holy City with their eyes fixed on Jesus. This vision was Ellen White’s first prophetic experience and it happened soon after the Great Disappointment in 1844, when Jesus didn’t return as expected by William Miller’s followers. It served as an encouragement to the believers that God had still been leading them, despite their misunderstanding of Bible prophecy. (Early Writings, p. 14-19)

So only SDA followers and not all believers Ellen? What's up with that. !? The separation of SDA apart from scripture, with visions and prophecies from one person being the dictate, ensures departure from truth as the Bible, takes second place at this point, and White's personal experience takes precedence over actual scripture. As these things continue, scripture will be twisted and the OT will be employed to underscore false prophecy and instruction. And so a cult is born.
 
He was, but I believe there are none today.

-Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is
I CORINTHIANS 13:8

-For we know in part and we prophesy in part.
I CORINTHIANS 13:9

-But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.
I CORINTHIANS 13:10
So then you must believe that “that which is perfect” has come. What do you think that is?
 
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Lucinda Burdick, a friend of Mrs. White in the 1840s, explains how Mrs. White often predicted Christ's return:
I became acquainted with James White and Ellen Harmon (now Mrs. White) early in 1845. ... She pretended God showed her things which did not come to pass. At one time she saw that the Lord would come the second time in June 1845. The prophecy was discussed in all the churches, and in a little 'shut-door paper' published in Portland, Me. During the summer, after June passed, I heard a friend ask her how she accounted for the vision? She replied that 'they told her in the language of Canaan, and she did not understand the language; that it was the next September that the Lord was coming,


The language of Canaan?

People in all the churches soon began to get their eyes open, and came out decidedly against her visions; and, just as soon as they did so, she used to see them 'with spots on their garments,' as she expressed it. I was personally acquainted with several ministers, whom she saw landed in the kingdom with 'Oh! such brilliant crowns, FULL of stars.' As soon as they took a stand against the visions, she saw them 'doomed, damned, and lost for ever, without hope.
(Lucinda Burdick as quoted in Miles Grant, An Examination of Mrs. Ellen White's Visions (Boston, Massachusetts: Advent Christian Publication Society, 1877).

So, much like many of today's SDA presenters, the moment a question is asked, a presentation questionned or the doctrine examined in the light of actual scripture, you are told you need to repent or you are going to hell (interesting since some devotees do not believe hell exists)
 
Lucinda Burdick’s statement was given decades after 1845, not at the time of the alleged June/September predictions.. Also, Adventist historical sources identify Lucinda Howell/Burdick as an early opponent of Ellen White whose charges were later circulated in anti-White circles, Lucinda Burdick’s statement is evidence of an accusation, not proof of the event. It is late, hostile, and uncorroborated by Ellen White’s own earliest surviving records.

Rev 12:9-11
 
Despite her failures in 1844 and 1845, Mrs. White continued predicting Christ's imminent return. She and James appear to have quietely adopted Joseph Bates' prediction that the Day of Atonement would last seven years, and Christ would return in the fall of 1851.2 Mrs. White was soon having visions supporting Bates' flawed view. She had a vision on Nov. 18, 1848 (in Dorchester), and Bates published a transcript of it in his book, The Seal of the Living God, in 1849:

The time of trouble has commenced, the reason why the four winds have not been let go, for the saints are not all sealed...

( Ellen White, Present Truth, Sept. 1849.)

In the summer of 1849, a cholera epidemic struck American cities leaving hundreds of people dead. Mrs. White apparently saw this event as an end-time fulfillment of Jesus' prophecy of "pestilences" and other events which were the "beginning of sorrows" (Matt. 24:7-8). She instills terror in her readers with a graphic prediction of soon being surrounded with dead bodies:

What we have seen and heard of the pestilence, is but the beginning of what we shall see and hear. Soon the dead and dying will be all around us.3
Not long after this prophecy was penned the epidemic ended and the United States entered a period of relative peace and prosperity that lasted for many years. The above line was removed when the passage was republished 33 years later in Early Writings (1882).

Today, thanks to the foresight of those who quietly deleted it, few Seventh-day Adventists are aware of this inspired prophecy.

It should be noted that even today, the 'any minute now' doctrine of SDA "Jesus is coming are you ready?"...is being bandied about even though quite a bit of prophecy needs to be fulfilled before that occurs.


This constant so called prophetic ministry mimics without accuracy, actual biblical prophecy and the objections of those with even an inkling of discernment.
 
Today, thanks to the foresight of those who quietly deleted it, few Seventh-day Adventists are aware of this inspired prophecy. (reference my post # 49)


Pay attention here, because this is not as rare as you might think. Unlike scripture, SDA doctine must be re-visited from time to time to correct glaring error or delete altogether if it is problamatical enough.
 
Spreading false information is a false witness and the LORD does not take kind to. Ellen White never set a date once when Jesus would return, only that He would return because the LORD said He would. Mat24
 
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.Here is one false prophecy of White:

White contends the Sabbath is still in effect and Sunday is not honored by God as day to honor Him

What scripture actually says:

The New Testament clearly shows Christians worshiping together on Sunday, not Saturday and Romans 14 teaches that the individual must be convinced in their own mind of the day they choose to observe.
You are sadly mistaken.
 
Despite her failures in 1844 and 1845, Mrs. White continued predicting Christ's imminent return. She and James appear to have quietely adopted Joseph Bates' prediction that the Day of Atonement would last seven years, and Christ would return in the fall of 1851.2 Mrs. White was soon having visions supporting Bates' flawed view. She had a vision on Nov. 18, 1848 (in Dorchester), and Bates published a transcript of it in his book, The Seal of the Living God, in 1849:



( Ellen White, Present Truth, Sept. 1849.)

In the summer of 1849, a cholera epidemic struck American cities leaving hundreds of people dead. Mrs. White apparently saw this event as an end-time fulfillment of Jesus' prophecy of "pestilences" and other events which were the "beginning of sorrows" (Matt. 24:7-8). She instills terror in her readers with a graphic prediction of soon being surrounded with dead bodies:


Not long after this prophecy was penned the epidemic ended and the United States entered a period of relative peace and prosperity that lasted for many years. The above line was removed when the passage was republished 33 years later in Early Writings (1882).

Today, thanks to the foresight of those who quietly deleted it, few Seventh-day Adventists are aware of this inspired prophecy.

It should be noted that even today, the 'any minute now' doctrine of SDA "Jesus is coming are you ready?"...is being bandied about even though quite a bit of prophecy needs to be fulfilled before that occurs.


This constant so called prophetic ministry mimics without accuracy, actual biblical prophecy and the objections of those with even an inkling of discernment.
As usual this is being quoted out of context. Ellen White was not merely forecasting the 1849 cholera epidemic getting worse, but moving from a present pestilence to the final apocalyptic judgments: “Then the slain of the Lord will be from one end of the earth to the other” and only the sealed are sheltered from God’s coming wrath. So in their reading, this is end-time judgment language, not a failed prediction about one cholera season.

Critics quote only the first half of the paragraph and ignore the second half. If the whole paragraph were quoted, readers would see that Ellen White’s “soon” was not mainly about that specific cholera outbreak spreading everywhere, but about the future outpouring of God’s wrath in the seven last plagues.
 
When we have to relate the Sabbath as a "cult" when God Himself said this

the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God Exo20:10 the Sabbath is the holy day of the LORD Isa58:13 Jesus is LORD of the Sabbath Mark2:28 join yourself to the LORD and serve Him those who keep the Sabbath Isa56:6 Blessed is the man who keeps the Sabbath Isa56:2 from one Sabbath to another all flesh(the saints Rev14:12) will come before the LORD to worship Him Isa66:23

These are all thus saith the LORDS words that directly came out of God. no wonder why God said to Remember the Sabbath day, because whose voice are we serving when we choose to forget. Not God's. To teach the opposite is where there is no light (not coming from God) Isa8:20NKJV not resting and trusting in words Jesus who is God told us to live by Mat4:4

These attacks are really more an attack on the one who said this, the Creator Exo20:11, the only God we are called to worship Rev14:7 and its really more of a blessings than anything so thanks and praise and glory to Him. Mat10:22
14Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. 16Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
 
14Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. 16Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
If I had a nickel for every time someone has quoted that verse without its context. But not one person has responded to the context of this passage - here is the context to this passage would you care to prayerfully study and respond to it? Paul said everything has to be according to Christ in this same passage Col2:8 so my challenge to you is where can you duplicate this understanding of this passage with Christ- just post one verse. Christ taught the opposite over and over again in Scripture. Paul has a very serious warning about what people would do to his writings 2Peter3:16

There are several different Sabbaths in the Bible that uses the same word, but has very different meanings.

There is the seventh day Sabbath- instituted at Creation Exo20:11 Gen2:1-3, came before sin, reaffirmed in the Ten Commandments Exo20:8-11, written by God personally Exo31:18, placed inside God’s ark Exo40:20 God called it “the holy day of the Lord” Isa58:13

There are the annual sabbath(s) feast days that are always tied to animal sacrifices, they don’t always fall on the seventh day can be on any day and came after the fall and were handwritten by Moses, placed besides the ark of God’s covenant came after sin.

  • 1st day of Unleavened Bread
  • 7th day of Unleavened Bread
  • Pentecost
  • Trumpets
  • Day of Atonement
  • 1st day of Tabernacles
  • 8th day of Tabernacles
We see these in Leviticus 23 and these are additional feasts besides the Sabbath of the Lord- the seventh day Sabbath Lev 23:37-38

So I think we are being quick to assume by seeing the word Sabbath that has different meanings and assuming it means the Holy Day of the Lord that comes with God's blessing and sanctification , without looking at the context that Paul carefully gave and we should let the Bible interpret itself.

Col 2:14 KJV Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to His cross.

Col 2:14 NASB having canceled the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.

Greek word for handwriting: χειρόγραφον (cheirographon)
Literally: “something written by hand

Ordinances
τοῖς δόγμασιν (tois dogmasin)
Meaning: “decrees,” “regulations,” “legal demands”

It is a legal document that condemns sinners why Paul used the word “against us” and “contrary to us”. The law does not condemn the righteous, it condemns the sinners.

Just from this context that Paul gave we can eliminate the Ten Commandments, but lets let Scripture interpret Scripture.

Who wrote the handwritten ordinances?

2 Chron 33:8 and I will not again remove the foot of Israel from the land which I have appointed for your fathers—only if they are careful to do all that I have commanded them, according to the whole law and the statutes and the ordinances by the hand of Moses.

What law is the law that was contrary and against?

Deut 31:24-26 So it was, when Moses had completed writing the words of this law in a book, when they were finished, 25 that Moses commanded the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying: 26 “Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you;


It appears from the text that this is not referring to the Sabbath in the Ten Commandments that was written by God Himself by His finger Exo31:18 placed inside the ark of the covenant, not besides like the annual sabbath(s) connected to animal sacrifices.


This is the law that was taken away at the Cross.

Col 2:16 let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

This is the exact language referring to the annual sabbath(s) that were handwritten by Moses, placed besides the ark that refer to annual feasts days, sacrifices and offerings that some were also called sabbath(s)

Eze 45:17 and it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, and meat offerings, and drink offerings, in the feasts, and in the new moons, and in the sabbaths, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.


What did Jesus say He would come to put an end to? (compared to magnifying another law- by placing it in our hearts Isa42:21 Heb8:10)


Dan 9:27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.


Col 2:17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ

What are the shadows laws? Lets let the Scriptures define what they are

Heb 10:1 For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once []purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.

5 Therefore
, when He came into the world, He said:

“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin
You had no pleasure.
7 Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—
In the volume of the book it is written of Me—
To do Your will, O God.’ ”

8 Previously saying, “Sacrifice and offering, burnt offerings, and offerings for sin You did not desire, nor had pleasure in them” (which are offered according to the law), 9 then He said, “Behold, I have come to do Your will, []O God.” He takes away the first that He may establish the second. 10 By that will we have been []sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all

This fits the context of this passage perfectly and makes the Bible harmonize because we see Sabbath-keeping (every Sabbath) 30+ years after the Cross just as Jesus Himself indicated Isa 56:6-7 Acts 13:42, Acts 13:44 Acts 15:21 Acts 18:4 and up to His Second Coming Mat24:20-30 and forever Isa66:22-23
 
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Isaiah 1:14 I hate your New Moons and your appointed feasts. They have become a burden to Me; I am weary of bearing them.
Did you happen to read the rest of the context? The feast days that are always connected with animal sacrifices are found in Lev 23 they were besides the Sabbath of the LORD.

Just like God says those who turn their ear from hearing His law their prayer becomes an abomination, does that mean He doesn't want us to pray or does it want us to obey Him? Do they become futile when we prayer but not do what He asks?
 
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Spreading false information is a false witness and the LORD does not take kind to. Ellen White never set a date once when Jesus would return, only that He would return because the LORD said He would. Mat24
Not sure why you’re so against AI. It’s a handy tool. She might not have set the date but she did verify it.

  • God hid a mistake on the 1843 chart
    "I have seen that the 1843 chart was directed by the hand of the Lord, and that it should not be altered; that the figures were as He wanted them; that His hand was over and hid a mistake in some of the figures, so that none could see it, until His hand was removed."
    Early Writings, Page 74
  • Hearing the day and hour of Jesus' coming
    "Soon we heard the voice of God like many waters, which gave us the day and hour of Jesus' coming. The living saints, 144,000 in number, knew and understood the voice, while the wicked thought it was thunder and an earthquake."
    — Early Writings, Page 15
  • The 1844 calculation "stands without impeachment"
    "The preaching of a definite time for the judgment, in the giving of the first message, was ordered of God. The computation of the prophetic periods on which that message was based, placing the close of the 2300 days in the autumn of 1844, stands without impeachment."
    The Great Controversy, Page 457
  • The 1844 date was correct, but the event was misunderstood
    "I saw that they were correct in their reckoning of the prophetic periods; prophetic time closed in 1844... Their mistake consisted in not understanding what the sanctuary was and the nature of its cleansing."
    — Early Writings, Page 243
  • The 1844 movement "was of God"
    "Even now, after the lapse of nearly half a century, all who shared in that movement and who have stood firm upon the platform of truth, still feel the holy influence of that blessed work, and bear witness that it was of God."
    — The Great Controversy, Page 401
 
Not sure why you’re so against AI. It’s a handy tool. She might not have set the date but she did verify it.

  • God hid a mistake on the 1843 chart
    "I have seen that the 1843 chart was directed by the hand of the Lord, and that it should not be altered; that the figures were as He wanted them; that His hand was over and hid a mistake in some of the figures, so that none could see it, until His hand was removed."
    Early Writings, Page 74
This is a different accusation, you accused her of predicting 1844 and even by your quote doesn't say this.

1844 was the correct end of the 2300 days, while the expected event was wrong—Christ did not come to earth then; instead, He began a new phase of ministry in the heavenly sanctuary. God enters the "Most Holy" Heb9:10-13 What is in the Most Holy of God's Temple- the Ten Commandments under His mercy seat Exo25:21 - why? because His hour of Judgement has come Rev14:6-7 and we are judged based on what God said James2:11-12 Mat12:48 why we see the ark of the covenant at the last Trumpet at His Second Coming because its God's standard of Judgement Rev11:18-19 because He doesn't make mistakes- we do.

She never gave a date they were all studying the 2300 days in Daniel that God gave us to study so we can see where we are in time of His soon return. If God didn't want us to study it, it wouldn't be in our Bibles and He would says blessed to those who understand it. Rev1:3

  • Hearing the day and hour of Jesus' coming
    "Soon we heard the voice of God like many waters, which gave us the day and hour of Jesus' coming. The living saints, 144,000 in number, knew and understood the voice, while the wicked thought it was thunder and an earthquake."
    — Early Writings, Page 15
Its a vision of the final deliverance of God’s people, not a date-setting. I do not see a date there.

  • The 1844 calculation "stands without impeachment"
    "The preaching of a definite time for the judgment, in the giving of the first message, was ordered of God. The computation of the prophetic periods on which that message was based, placing the close of the 2300 days in the autumn of 1844, stands without impeachment."
    The Great Controversy, Page 457
  • The 1844 date was correct, but the event was misunderstood
    "I saw that they were correct in their reckoning of the prophetic periods; prophetic time closed in 1844... Their mistake consisted in not understanding what the sanctuary was and the nature of its cleansing."
    — Early Writings, Page 243
  • The 1844 movement "was of God"
    "Even now, after the lapse of nearly half a century, all who shared in that movement and who have stood firm upon the platform of truth, still feel the holy influence of that blessed work, and bear witness that it was of God."
    — The Great Controversy, Page 401
Amen. Nothing about date setting.