The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

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If you claim the the law isn’t fulfilled til the second coming then why are you picking and choosing? Why are you not sacrificing animals and following all 613 Jewish laws? There are many jots and tittles that you are denying exist. Your logic condemns you. I don’t remember Jesus saying He fulfilled 98.4% of the law and that He would fulfill the rest later.
God never said the judgements were to be in our hearts just the commandments and statutes contained in the book of the law
 
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I think there are two issues here.

1. Not reconciling everything to Christ. He is the way, the Truth, the life, only His blood can save us not Paul, not anyone else. Paul never made this same mistake he said everything had to be according to Christ Col2:8 Christ said it would be easier for heaven and earth to pass before one jot or tittle of the law to pass. Mat5:18-19 Luke16:17 heaven and earth are still here, so is God's commandments that His saints patiently keep until the very end Rev14:12

Trying to tear down what Jesus is LORD of Mark2:28 doesn't tear it down it just makes someone else lording us Dan7:25

So if you can't duplicate our understanding of Paul to what Jesus taught plainly more than likely we have doing what the warning of Paul's writings says.

The second thing is quoting Scripture but not allowing the Bible to define it but instead depending on our own definitions. Hebrews 4 is quoting all OT, so we have to go back there to see what Paul who I beleive wrote Hebrews is quoting and let the Scripture explain Scripture instead of forcing it to say something it doesn't.

For example:


This is literally spelled out for us in the Scripture. The exact warning in this passage is what people are teaching to do!

The children of Israel was promised the land full of milk and honey which is a symbol heaven on the condition, they love God with all their heart, mind and soul which means to keep God’s commandments

Deut 6:2that you may fear the Lord your God, to keep all His statutes and His commandments which I command you, you and your son and your grandson, all the days of your life, and that your days may be prolonged. 3 Therefore hear, O Israel, and be careful to observe it, that it may be well with you, and that you may multiply greatly as the Lord God of your fathers has promised you—‘a land flowing with milk and honey.’

4“Hear, O Israel The Lord our God, the Lord is one! 5. You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength.

That was the condition- keep My commandments and love the God with all your heart, mind and soul and all will be well and you will receive your inheritance a land flowing with milk and honey.

So did that happen?

Heb 3:7Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says:
“Today, if you will hear His voice,
8 Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion,
In the day of trial in the wilderness,

9 Where your fathers tested Me, tried Me,
And saw My works forty years.
10 Therefore I was angry with that generation,
And said, ‘They always go astray in their heart,
And they have not known My ways.’

11 So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest.
’ ”

No, in the trial in the wilderness they hardened their hearts and rebelled against God.

What did they rebel? This is God speaking here.

Eze 20:13Yet the house of Israel rebelled against Me in the wilderness; they did not walk in My statutes; they despised My judgments,‘which, if a man does, he shall live by them’; and they greatly defiled My Sabbaths. Then I said I would pour out My fury on them in the wilderness, to consume them.

So according to God, they did not love God with all their heart mind and soul and did not keep His commandments but rebelled and God specified the Sabbath as their rebellion.

And what was the result of that rebellion.

Again this is God speaking

Eze 20:15 So I also raised My hand in an oath to them in the wilderness, that I would not bring them into the land which I had given them, ‘flowing with milk and honey,’ the glory of all lands, 16 because they despised My judgments and did not walk in My statutes, but profaned My Sabbaths; for their heart went after their idols.

They were not able to enter into God’s promised rest because of their rebellion and disobedience God and specified the reason they would not enter was because disobeyed and profaned God’s Sabbath.

So the Israelites which represented God’s people were promised an inheritance a land flowing with milk and honey on the condition they fear God, keep God’s commandments and love God with all their heart, mind and soul.

They didn’t do that they harden their hearts and rebelled and didn’t keep God’s Sabbath which God related to idolatry.

We are told in the NT not to follow in their same example of disobedience lest we also fail to enter into His rest Heb4:11

Jesus is the NT said the greatest commandments that there are no other commandments greater than these quoting OT which included the Sabbath hence the condition was loving God with all their heart and ended by not entering because they profaned the Sabbath which God related to idolatry.

Why we are called now to

Rev 14:7saying with a loud voice, “Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.”

Which is basically the same condition He gave to the children of Israel as we have to enter into our rest which came according to God with a condition

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city

This idea we can rebel and not keep God’s commandments and He is going to love us more than everyone else in the OT, is really sadly a sad deception Rom2:11

The whole point of this, if we really love God with all our heart, mind and soul why would we want to profane God and not keep His commandments, why would we not want to live by every word that proceeds out of His mouth, why would we want to elevate man-made traditions over the commandments and Testimony of God when Jesus Himself said not to and thats the path that leads to a ditch Mat15:3-14 Mark7:7-13
God has dealt with humanity in sequential steps according to the various covenants He made with us. Instead of acknowledging God's unfolding PROGRESSIVE PLAN OF REDEMPTION you skip back and forth from one covenant to another with no understanding that (unlike your thinking) God's plan is orderly and aimed at a definite end.

9 God has now revealed to us his mysterious will regarding Christ—which is to fulfill his own good plan.
10 And this is the plan: At the right time he will bring everything together under the authority of Christ—everything in heaven and on earth. 11 Furthermore, because we are united with Christ, we have received an inheritance from God, for he chose us in advance, and he makes everything work out according to his plan. 12 God’s purpose was that we Jews who were the first to trust in Christ would bring praise and glory to God. 13 And now you Gentiles have also heard the truth, the Good News that God saves you. And when you believed in Christ, he identified you as his own by giving you the Holy Spirit, whom he promised long ago. 14The Spirit is God’s guarantee that he will give us the inheritance he promised and that he has purchased us to be his own people. He did this so we would praise and glorify him.

When I brought up the matter of circumcision you refused to say HOW God (who supposedly never alters, or abolishes any command) did away with it. You just quote NT authors who say it is no longer necessary. Why that is so, you cannot say. After all, if keeping Shabbat is an immutable eternal command why is circumcision not in the same category? After all, it was given by both Abraham AND Moses. There are answers to these questions but you decide such questions arbitrarily without seeking to rationalize and balance the meaning of the various texts. You cherry pick scriptures that appear to support the heterodox views of a latter-day supposed prophetess while doing damage to sound hermeneutical principles by which we are supposed to interpret scriptures.
 
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Still refusing to add the context I see, I will let you go on your way.

Still refusing to see the context I add?
Okay, here is some more Scripture for you to ignore:

Because the NT does not affirm the Sabbath Law as it did the moral commands in the Ten Commandments, one needs to discern the correct doctrine for Christians by considering the following Scriptures.

1. God rested from His work and rested on the seventh day and made it holy per Gen. 2:2-3.

2. Moses promulgated the Sabbath law as the 4th of the Ten Commandments in Exo. 20:8-11, cf. Lev. 19:3&30, Deut. 5:12-15.

3. Solomon builds a temple for burnt offerings on the Sabbath in 2Chr. 2:4.

4. Isaiah said those are blessed who keep the Sabbath in Isa. 56:2-6.

5. Jeremiah commands keeping the Sabbath holy in Jer. 17:21-27.

6. Ezekiel referred to the Sabbaths in Ezek. 20:12

7. Jesus declared he is Lord of the Sabbath and it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath in Matt. 12:1-12.

8. Jesus healed a crippled woman on the Sabbath in Luke 13:10-16.

If Jesus thought keeping the Sabbath was an important law, he would have affirmed it on these two occasions, but he did not specifically nullify it either, which jibes/harmonizes perfectly with Paul.

9. Paul taught that a person may rest on the Sabbath or not in Col. 2:16, Gal. 4:9-11 & Rom. 14:5.

10. Hebrews encourages Christians to enter God’s Sabbath rest by persevering faith in Heb. 3:7-4:11.
 
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God never said the judgements were to be in our hearts just the commandments and statutes contained in the book of the law
That really doesn’t have to do with my post but since you brought it up, the judgements were part of the commandments. He commanded one to be stoned to death for adultery, idolatry, blasphemy, etc…all commandments. You say the commandments are in your heart but not the judgements. The stoning was God’s commandment. Quit trying to break apart and cherry pick the law. The laws was the law. It was 613+ not just ten. Jesus never spoke of the moral law or just the Ten Commandments. Every single time He mentioned the law, He was talking about the entire thing. And He fulfilled the entire law.
 
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God has dealt with humanity in sequential steps according to the various covenants He made with us. Instead of acknowledging God's unfolding PROGRESSIVE PLAN OF REDEMPTION you skip back and forth from one covenant to another with no understanding that (unlike your thinking) God's plan is orderly and aimed at a definite end.
I keep it in line on what God said about His Covenant Psa89:34 Mat5:18-19 because He is the Authority not us.

A covenant is an agreement, the law of God belongs to God Exo20:6 it is His standard of righteousness Psa 119:172 Isa 56:1-2 which is everlasting to everlasting Psa 119:142 why it will always be a sin to break the least of God's commandments and continuing in that path leads to Judgement according to Jesus Mat5:19-30. The issue is not believing His plain words.

The Old Covenant the Ten Commandments was broken and it had faulty promises, the people said they would keep, but they broke their promise. Exo19:8 otherwise no second covenant would have been made. Heb 8:6-10 God didn't lower His standard of righteousness, this is a deception, He made a New Covenant established on better promises Heb8:6 of what He does Heb8:10 it still has God's laws Exo20:10 but written on a different location instead of external they are internal based on what He does if we cooperate with Him, sadly not everyone does Rom8:7-8. Why it still a sin to break Rom7:7 it still dishonors God Rom2:21-23, breaking one we break them all James 2:10-12 and become sinners 1John3:4 which is not the direction Jesus wants for us Heb10:26-30 1John2:4 Mat7:21-23
9 God has now revealed to us his mysterious will regarding Christ—which is to fulfill his own good plan.
10 And this is the plan: At the right time he will bring everything together under the authority of Christ—everything in heaven and on earth. 11 Furthermore, because we are united with Christ, we have received an inheritance from God, for he chose us in advance, and he makes everything work out according to his plan. 12 God’s purpose was that we Jews who were the first to trust in Christ would bring praise and glory to God. 13 And now you Gentiles have also heard the truth, the Good News that God saves you. And when you believed in Christ, he identified you as his own by giving you the Holy Spirit, whom he promised long ago. 14The Spirit is God’s guarantee that he will give us the inheritance he promised and that he has purchased us to be his own people. He did this so we would praise and glorify him.
I do not think you're fulling understanding the everlasting gospel. This is not me saying this its Jesus through John.

Rev 14:6Then I saw another angel flying in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earthto every nation, tribe, tongue, and people— 7saying with a loud voice,Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.”

Fear God and give Glory to Him for the time of His judgement has come. This is all part of the everlasting gospel.


Deut 6:2that you may fear the Lord your God, to keep all His statutes and His commandments which I command you, you and your son and your grandson, all the days of your life, and that your days may be prolonged. 3Therefore hear, O Israel, and e careful to observe it, that it may be well with you, and that you may multiply greatly as the Lord God of your fathers has promised you—‘a land flowing with milk and honey.’

Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter:

Fear God and keep His commandments,
For this is man’s all.
14For God will bring every work into judgment,
Including every secret thing,
Whether good or evil.


The Ten Commandments is God's standard of Judgement James 2:11-12 why they are in heaven and revealed at the last trumpet for Judgement

Rev 11:18 The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come,
And the time of the dead, that they should be judged,
And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints,

And those who fear Your name, small and great,
And should destroy those who destroy the earth.”
19 hen the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant (Exo25:16 Exo40:20 ) was seen in His temple. And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, an earthquake, and great hail.

The everlasting gospel is fearing God keeping His commandments that His Judgement has come. Judgement is not always bad, it reconciles His saints

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

Why is worshipping the LORD who made heaven and earth and everything in them part of the everlasting gospel. Because if we are truly doing that we are keeping each of His commandments and not placing mans word above God's Word which includes the 4th commandment that Rev14:7 is quoting from Exo20:11 because without the sanctification of God Eze20:12 we really are nothing Isa66:17 we need to fully depend on Him and in doing so we would be hearing His voice following Him and doing what He asks because we fully trust Him alone.


When I brought up the matter of circumcision you refused to say HOW God (who supposedly never alters, or abolishes any command) did away with it. You just quote NT authors who say it is no longer necessary. Why that is so, you cannot say. After all, if keeping Shabbat is an immutable eternal command why is circumcision not in the same category? After all, it was given by both Abraham AND Moses. There are answers to these questions but you decide such questions arbitrarily without seeking to rationalize and balance the meaning of the various texts. You cherry pick scriptures that appear to support the heterodox views of a latter-day supposed prophetess while doing damage to sound hermeneutical principles by which we are supposed to interpret scriptures.
Because it was addressed to death in Scripture in Acts 15 but the Sabbath continues Acts 15:21 Acts 18L:3 Mat24:20 Isa66:23

The Sabbath started before sin, before circumcision, before Moses, before Mt Sinai just man and God Exo20:11 Mar2:27-28. Circumcision came after the fall and it was required to get access for the cure for sin until the Seed.

Why Paul taught

1 Cor7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.

The Sabbath is a commandment of God spoken by God written by God and there is no one Greater than He! Trust Him!
 
Because God promised to end one law which He fulfilled perfect Dan9:27 Heb10:1-10

and magnify another law Isa 42:21 which means make greater , which He fulfilled perfectly Mat5:18-19 this law He promised not to change a jot or tittle and in doing so is going against the clear will of God.

Different laws that served different purposes clearly stated in God's word. The problem I see if not allowing the Bible to interpret Itself and forcing it to say something it doesn't.

There is no reasoning here, its in God's Word, I am moving on and God will sort it all out soon enough.
You’re playing word games to protect a tradition. Jesus didn't say He would fulfill some laws and magnify others. He said the Law, meaning the whole thing. If a single jot or tittle hasn't passed, then you are biblically required stone people for adultery and the farmers are required to let their field rest every seventh year.

You’re using Daniel 9 to cancel the parts you find inconvenient while using Matthew 5 to judge everyone else. That is the definition of cherry picking. If the Law is your master, you're failing 99% of it. If Christ is your master, you’re free from the shadow Col 2:16-17. You can’t have it both ways. Jam 2:10. It’s either all or nothing.
 
Still refusing to see the context I add?
Okay, here is some more Scripture for you to ignore:

Because the NT does not affirm the Sabbath Law as it did the moral commands in the Ten Commandments, one needs to discern the correct doctrine for Christians by considering the following Scriptures.

1. God rested from His work and rested on the seventh day and made it holy per Gen. 2:2-3.

2. Moses promulgated the Sabbath law as the 4th of the Ten Commandments in Exo. 20:8-11, cf. Lev. 19:3&30, Deut. 5:12-15.

3. Solomon builds a temple for burnt offerings on the Sabbath in 2Chr. 2:4.

4. Isaiah said those are blessed who keep the Sabbath in Isa. 56:2-6.

5. Jeremiah commands keeping the Sabbath holy in Jer. 17:21-27.

6. Ezekiel referred to the Sabbaths in Ezek. 20:12

7. Jesus declared he is Lord of the Sabbath and it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath in Matt. 12:1-12.

8. Jesus healed a crippled woman on the Sabbath in Luke 13:10-16.

If Jesus thought keeping the Sabbath was an important law, he would have affirmed it on these two occasions, but he did not specifically nullify it either, which jibes/harmonizes perfectly with Paul.

9. Paul taught that a person may rest on the Sabbath or not in Col. 2:16, Gal. 4:9-11 & Rom. 14:5.

10. Hebrews encourages Christians to enter God’s Sabbath rest by persevering faith in Heb. 3:7-4:11.
Hebrews says clearly not to following in the same path of disobedience of those who fell before us Heb4:11 who did not enter God's rest because they rebelled in the wilderness Eze20:13 and could not enter because they broke the Sabbath Eze20:15-16 so you are teaching the exact opposite of what this passage is telling us to,

Let me bring in the context of Col2:16 since you seem to refuse to.

There are several different Sabbaths in the Bible that uses the same word, but has very different meanings.

There is the seventh day Sabbath- instituted at Creation Exo20:11 Gen2:1-3, came before sin, reaffirmed in the Ten Commandments Exo20:8-11, written by God personally Exo31:18, placed inside God’s ark Exo40:20 God called it “the holy day of the Lord” Isa58:13

There are the annual sabbath(s) feast days that are always tied to animal sacrifices, they don’t always fall on the seventh day can be on any day and came after the fall and were handwritten by Moses, placed besides the ark of God’s covenant came after sin.

  • 1st day of Unleavened Bread
  • 7th day of Unleavened Bread
  • Pentecost
  • Trumpets
  • Day of Atonement
  • 1st day of Tabernacles
  • 8th day of Tabernacles
We see these in Leviticus 23 and these are additional feasts besides the Sabbath of the Lord- the seventh day Sabbath Lev 23:37-38


So I think we are being quick to assume by seeing the word Sabbath that has different meanings and assuming it means the Holy Day of the Lord that comes with God's blessing and sanctification , without looking at the context that Paul carefully gave and we should let the Bible interpret itself.

Col 2:14 KJV Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to His cross.

Col 2:14 NASB having canceled the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.

Greek word for handwriting: χειρόγραφον (cheirographon)
Literally: “something written by hand

Ordinances
τοῖς δόγμασιν (tois dogmasin)
Meaning: “decrees,” “regulations,” “legal demands”

It is a legal document that condemns sinners why Paul used the word “against us” and “contrary to us”. The law does not condemn the righteous, it condemns the sinners.

Just from this context that Paul gave we can eliminate the Ten Commandments, but lets let Scripture interpret Scripture.

Who wrote the handwritten ordinances?

2 Chron 33:8 and I will not again remove the foot of Israel from the land which I have appointed for your fathers—only if they are careful to do all that I have commanded them, according to the whole law and the statutes and the ordinances by the hand of Moses.

What law is the law that was contrary and against?

Deut 31:24-26 So it was, when Moses had completed writing the words of this law in a book, when they were finished, 25 that Moses commanded the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying: 26 “Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you;


It appears from the text that this is not referring to the Sabbath in the Ten Commandments that was written by God Himself by His finger Exo31:18 placed inside the ark of the covenant, not besides like the annual sabbath(s) connected to animal sacrifices.


This is the law that was taken away at the Cross.

Col 2:16 let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

This is the exact language referring to the annual sabbath(s) that were handwritten by Moses, placed besides the ark that refer to annual feasts days, sacrifices and offerings that some were also called sabbath(s)

Eze 45:17 and it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, and meat offerings, and drink offerings, in the feasts, and in the new moons, and in the sabbaths, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.


What did Jesus say He would come to put an end to? (compared to magnifying another law- by placing it in our hearts Isa42:21 Heb8:10)


Dan 9:27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.


Col 2:17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ

What are the shadows laws? Lets let the Scriptures define what they are

Heb 10:1 For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once []purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.

5 Therefore
, when He came into the world, He said:

“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin
You had no pleasure.
7 Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—
In the volume of the book it is written of Me—
To do Your will, O God.’ ”

8 Previously saying, “Sacrifice and offering, burnt offerings, and offerings for sin You did not desire, nor had pleasure in them” (which are offered according to the law), 9 then He said, “Behold, I have come to do Your will, []O God.” He takes away the first that He may establish the second. 10 By that will we have been []sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all

This fits the context of this passage perfectly and makes the Bible harmonize because we see Sabbath-keeping (every Sabbath) 30+ years after the Cross just as Jesus Himself indicated Isa 56:6-7 Acts 13:42, Acts 13:44 Acts 15:21 Acts 18:4 and up to His Second Coming Mat24:20-30 and forever Isa66:22-23
 
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No word game its in our bibles

Dan 9:27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.

As we see plainly in Heb 10:1-10

Isa 42:21;The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.
As we see plainly with the Ten Commandments relating lust with adultery, anger with thou shalt not murder Mat5:18-30

Two completely opposite directions to fulfill with two very different laws that the Bible explains if we allow.

No wonder why Jesus said this in the law He came to magnify directly quoting from the Ten Commandments, The issue is not that God was not clear in His word- the issue is our unbelief in what He says.

Mat5: 19Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Least in heaven according to the next verse means lost, not there.

God gives us everything we need to be saved and the issue is not that He is not clear, it is faith in what He says to live by Mat4:4

God will sort it all out in His time.
 
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That really doesn’t have to do with my post but since you brought it up, the judgements were part of the commandments
It is the answer to what you were speaking and No they weren’t. They were separate and never to be upon the heart in respect to the new covenant.
The word, the Commandments and statutes contained in the book of the law are in our heart and in our mouths that we do it. That is the faith in which we preach. No mention of the judgements to which your argument is based on

Deuteronomy 30:10 If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.
Deuteronomy 30:11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.
Deuteronomy 30:12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
Deuteronomy 30:13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
Deuteronomy 30:14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.
 
Hebrews says clearly not to following in the same path of disobedience of those who fell before us Heb4:11 who did not enter God's rest because they rebelled in the wilderness Eze20:13 and could not enter because they broke the Sabbath Eze20:15-16 so you are teaching the exact opposite of what this passage is telling us to,

Let me bring in the context of Col2:16 since you seem to refuse to.

There are several different Sabbaths in the Bible that uses the same word, but has very different meanings.

There is the seventh day Sabbath- instituted at Creation Exo20:11 Gen2:1-3, came before sin, reaffirmed in the Ten Commandments Exo20:8-11, written by God personally Exo31:18, placed inside God’s ark Exo40:20 God called it “the holy day of the Lord” Isa58:13

There are the annual sabbath(s) feast days that are always tied to animal sacrifices, they don’t always fall on the seventh day can be on any day and came after the fall and were handwritten by Moses, placed besides the ark of God’s covenant came after sin.

  • 1st day of Unleavened Bread
  • 7th day of Unleavened Bread
  • Pentecost
  • Trumpets
  • Day of Atonement
  • 1st day of Tabernacles
  • 8th day of Tabernacles
We see these in Leviticus 23 and these are additional feasts besides the Sabbath of the Lord- the seventh day Sabbath Lev 23:37-38


So I think we are being quick to assume by seeing the word Sabbath that has different meanings and assuming it means the Holy Day of the Lord that comes with God's blessing and sanctification , without looking at the context that Paul carefully gave and we should let the Bible interpret itself.

Col 2:14 KJV Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to His cross.

Col 2:14 NASB having canceled the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.

Greek word for handwriting: χειρόγραφον (cheirographon)
Literally: “something written by hand

Ordinances
τοῖς δόγμασιν (tois dogmasin)
Meaning: “decrees,” “regulations,” “legal demands”

It is a legal document that condemns sinners why Paul used the word “against us” and “contrary to us”. The law does not condemn the righteous, it condemns the sinners.

Just from this context that Paul gave we can eliminate the Ten Commandments, but lets let Scripture interpret Scripture.

Who wrote the handwritten ordinances?

2 Chron 33:8 and I will not again remove the foot of Israel from the land which I have appointed for your fathers—only if they are careful to do all that I have commanded them, according to the whole law and the statutes and the ordinances by the hand of Moses.

What law is the law that was contrary and against?

Deut 31:24-26 So it was, when Moses had completed writing the words of this law in a book, when they were finished, 25 that Moses commanded the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying: 26 “Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you;


It appears from the text that this is not referring to the Sabbath in the Ten Commandments that was written by God Himself by His finger Exo31:18 placed inside the ark of the covenant, not besides like the annual sabbath(s) connected to animal sacrifices.


This is the law that was taken away at the Cross.

Col 2:16 let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

This is the exact language referring to the annual sabbath(s) that were handwritten by Moses, placed besides the ark that refer to annual feasts days, sacrifices and offerings that some were also called sabbath(s)

Eze 45:17 and it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, and meat offerings, and drink offerings, in the feasts, and in the new moons, and in the sabbaths, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.


What did Jesus say He would come to put an end to? (compared to magnifying another law- by placing it in our hearts Isa42:21 Heb8:10)


Dan 9:27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.


Col 2:17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ

What are the shadows laws? Lets let the Scriptures define what they are

Heb 10:1 For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once []purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.

5 Therefore
, when He came into the world, He said:

“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin
You had no pleasure.
7 Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—
In the volume of the book it is written of Me—
To do Your will, O God.’ ”

8 Previously saying, “Sacrifice and offering, burnt offerings, and offerings for sin You did not desire, nor had pleasure in them” (which are offered according to the law), 9 then He said, “Behold, I have come to do Your will, []O God.” He takes away the first that He may establish the second. 10 By that will we have been []sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all

This fits the context of this passage perfectly and makes the Bible harmonize because we see Sabbath-keeping (every Sabbath) 30+ years after the Cross just as Jesus Himself indicated Isa 56:6-7 Acts 13:42, Acts 13:44 Acts 15:21 Acts 18:4 and up to His Second Coming Mat24:20-30 and forever Isa66:22-23

Yes, Hebrews says clearly not to follow in the same path of disobedience of those who fell because they continued to believe they could earn salvation by obeying the Sabbath and other OC laws, but rather to accept God's new revelation of salvation via faith in the Gospel of Christ's atonement. That is what Jesus taught in John 3:16 etc. and Paul taught in Rom. 3:32-5:1, etc. Not working on the Sabbath is not a sin, but none of them are required from the time of Christ's atonement until Judgment Day.
 
Yes, Hebrews says clearly not to follow in the same path of disobedience of those who fell because they continued to believe they could earn salvation by obeying the Sabbath and other OC laws, but rather to accept God's new revelation of salvation via faith in the Gospel of Christ's atonement. That is what Jesus taught in John 3:16 etc. and Paul taught in Rom. 3:32-5:1, etc. Not working on the Sabbath is not a sin, but it is no longer a requirement.
Show that in chapter 3 and 4 of Hebrews please
 
It is the answer to what you were speaking and No they weren’t. They were separate and never to be upon the heart in respect to the new covenant.
The word, the Commandments and statutes contained in the book of the law are in our heart and in our mouths that we do it. That is the faith in which we preach. No mention of the judgements to which your argument is based on

Deuteronomy 30:10 If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.
Deuteronomy 30:11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.
Deuteronomy 30:12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
Deuteronomy 30:13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
Deuteronomy 30:14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.
For one, that law was not for gentiles. Second have you read the book of Deuteronomy? Do you wear blue tassels? Do you cancel everyone’s debt every 7 years? Do you stone rebellious children? Those are all God’s commandments. The law written on hearts is Love.
 
Yes, Hebrews says clearly not to follow in the same path of disobedience of those who fell because they continued to believe they could earn salvation by obeying the Sabbath and other OC laws, but rather to accept God's new revelation of salvation via faith in the Gospel of Christ's atonement. That is what Jesus taught in John 3:16 etc. and Paul taught in Rom. 3:32-5:1, etc. Not working on the Sabbath is not a sin, but none of them are required from the time of Christ's atonement until Judgment Day.
God said the something different, plainly. Its not about earning our salvation- its about trusting God and obeying Him through faith and love. Faith in God does not lead us to worship a different god than our Creator Exo20:3 Exo20:11 Rev14:7 faith in God does not lead one to vain His holy name, faith does not lead to bow to idols, what you are teaching is the opposite of faith, its depending on self to determine what is right and wrong instead of trusting God. Exo20:6 Psa119:172 Isa56:1-2

Eze 20:15So I also raised My hand in an oath to them in the wilderness, that I would not bring them into the land which I had given them, ‘flowing with milk and honey,’ the glory of all lands, 16 because they despised My judgments and did not walk in My statutes, but profaned My Sabbaths; for their heart went after their idols.

Heb4:11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience.

The issue is not that God wasn't clear, the issue is faith and not believing what proceeds out of the mouth of God Jesus told us to live by Mat4:4
 
I'm not going to argue with you over stupid stuff, ... waste of time ...

Do you agree that your religion allows you to continue sinning, and you surely shall not die? Yes? or No ?

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So you want to avoid my simple yes or no question and then ask me one. The fact that you will not disagree with your false prophet even when she accuses the Lord of such things shows that you worship her, not God. I’ll also take it to mean since @SabbathBlessing liked your comment, she also agrees with you and ellen that God appoints evil sadistic people to torture children.

And before you claim that I’m attacking you, I’m actually attacking the evil inside you. I pray that you will turn away from you master ellen and turn towards Jesus. You can’t serve two masters.
 
I'm not going to argue with you over stupid stuff, ... waste of time ...

Do you agree that your religion allows you to continue sinning, and you surely shall not die? Yes? or No ?

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There is no reasoning- to blame EGW for another person's own actions is just not in reality. Jesus had a Judas, is that Jesus fault too. If someone could blame EGW on global warming, or higher taxes they would. You can't reason with this mindset, its best to leave it in God's hands.
 
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There is no reasoning- to blame EGW for another person's own actions is just not in reality. Jesus had a Judas, is that Jesus fault too. If someone could blame EGW on global warming, or higher taxes they would. You can't reason with this mindset, its best to leave it in God's hands.
I’m not blaming her for his actions. I’m blaming her and you and rob for supporting evil. I’m also blaming her for passing the blame onto God. And yes there is no reasoning with your cultic mindset.
 
In Exodus 16 the people saw the Manna but apparently did not know what to do with it. After all, it did not look like any food they had ever seen. Even the name manna itself means "what is it." For an explanation, the people conferred with Moses who wrote:

13....in the morning there was a layer of dew around the camp. 14When the layer of dew had evaporated, there were thin flakes on the desert floor, as fine as frost on the ground. 15 When the Israelites saw it, they asked one another, “What is it?” For they did not know what it was. So Moses told them, “It is the bread that the LORD has given you to eat. 16 This is what the LORD has commanded: ‘Each one is to gather as much as he needs. You may take an omer for each person in your tent.’”
(Exodus 16:13-15)
24 So they set it aside until morning as Moses had commanded, and it did not smell or contain any maggots.
25Eat it today,” Moses said, “because today is a Sabbath to the LORD. Today you will not find anything in the field. 26For six days you may gather, but on the seventh day, the Sabbath, it will not be there.

(Exodus 16:24-25)
27 Yet on the seventh day some of the people went out to gather, but they did not find anything. 28 Then the LORD said to Moses, “How long will you refuse to keep My commandments and instructions? 29 Understand that the LORD has given you the Sabbath; that is why on the sixth day He will give you bread for two days. On the seventh day, everyone must stay where he is; no one may leave his place.”
30 So the people rested on the seventh day

(Exodus 16:27-30)

God gave this object lesson to Israel to illustrate in a graphic way how serious God was about obeying His commandments. Because Israel was ignorant about manna, God gave them a chance to learn about it and obey the Shabbat command willingly. At the same time, God taught them the PRINCIPLE of resting on Shabbat which they apparently did not know. This demonstrates that the practice was not known before God commanded it in Exodus 16. Even if they had heard about the Creation Days it is evident that they, did not assume that God "resting" on the Seventh Day meant they were to do so also. Yes this was before the ten laws were given but I see no difference between commands God gave them audibly and those which were written down on stone or papyrus.
Actually the argument you are making here kind of defeats itself when you read the passage carefully. Let me show you why.

You say Israel did not know about the Sabbath before Exodus 16 and that this was God introducing a brand new concept to them. But look at what God actually said when some of them went out to gather on the seventh day:

How long will you refuse to keep My commandments and instructions? (Exodus 16:28 NKJV)

How long will you REFUSE to keep My commandments. God did not say how long will it take you to learn this new thing I am introducing. He said how long will you REFUSE. That is the language of people who already knew something and were ignoring it. You do not refuse something you have never heard of. You refuse something you already know about but are choosing not to do. God was not introducing a new concept. He was confronting an existing disobedience.

And then God said something even more telling:

Understand that the Lord has given you the Sabbath. (Exodus 16:29 NKJV)

He has GIVEN you the Sabbath. Past tense. Already given. Not I am now giving you the Sabbath for the first time. He has already given it. When? At creation. Exactly where Genesis 2 says He did. Before Israel. Before Moses. Before Egypt. Before any of this.

And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had made and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made. And God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it. (Genesis 2:2-3 NKJV)

God blessed it and sanctified it at creation for all humanity. That is not a description of a future institution waiting to be revealed to Israel in the wilderness. That is a description of something God already established and set apart as holy at the foundation of the world.

Now on the manna itself. Yes the people did not know what manna was because they had never seen it before. That is completely true and nobody is disputing it. But not knowing what manna was is completely different from not knowing about the Sabbath. And the fact that some people went out on the seventh day to gather anyway does not prove they did not know about the Sabbath. It proves exactly what God said. They were refusing to keep His commandments. People refuse things they know about. That is what refusal means.

The argument that the Sabbath was unknown before Exodus 16 actually collapses under the weight of the very passage being used to support it. God's own words, how long will you refuse, and He has given you the Sabbath, point directly to a prior knowledge and a prior giving that Genesis 2 fully explains.

The Sabbath was made for man at creation. God said so through Jesus Himself:

The Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath. (Mark 2:27 NKJV)

Made for man. At creation. For all humanity. Not introduced to Israel in the wilderness as a new concept. Given to the entire human race at the foundation of the world. And reinforced dramatically through the manna so that nobody in Israel could ever claim they had not been shown clearly and practically how seriously God takes it. The event was so significant that they kept a jar of the manna in the ark of the Covenant.
 
I see only one issue, which is you continuing in the wrong direction, so I don't know what else to do but repeat my previous admonishment:
I also see this whole forum under one issue ... between to opposing sides

We Commandment Keepers who have the Testimony and Faith of Jesus, supporting scriptural understanding, fostering obedience to God, His righteousness, and abhorrence of sin, while you folks are supporting disobedience to God, unrighteousness and preference for sin by your aligning with the " Man of sin " in his promoting his "doctrines of demons". ... Those in rebellion against God’s truth. Psalm 119:142 ""Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth.""

Romans 3:21–22 (

"But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, ( in Jesus) although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it—the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction."

Revelation 19:10
"And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, 'Do not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers who rely on the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.'"


Gal 2:20
"For I through the law am dead to the law, ( by not sinning ) that I might live to God. I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ lives in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me."

~~ Christ and His Righteousness ~~
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~~ Satan and his unrighteousness ~~
1 Timothy 4:1
"Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared." ( They continue in disobedience, sinning )
II Thessalonians 2-3
"Let no one deceive you by any means; for that day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God." ... (~~>
promoting Sunday Holiness )
II Thessalonians 2:10

And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

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The Sabbath of man = Sunday
The Sabbath of God = Saturday

The 7th day sabbath is clearly not Sunday.

If we are asked to choose which day we will keep Holy, Which day will we keep as the sanctified Sabbath, which day will you choose?

We should worship God every day and spend time with God every day. But one day was made Holy.
To "sanctify" means to set apart for a holy use. God did this because He had rested upon it at creation Gen 2:3.

One day was set apart by God yet most of the the Christian world set aside the day that is not sanctified..

Mar 2:27-28
27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: 28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

It was made for us. Made for us to keep holy and rest from work. Made to Remember our creator and saviour.

Praise God for the sabbath.

When you are asked to choose which day you will keep Holy, Which day will it be?
 
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