Christ in You is the Hope of Glory.

[Abiding]

Well it is like this. He came, He took me out of this world, He made a new heaven and earth, all things became new, He in me and In Him as one, same mind, same SPirit.

And Jesus isnt in me at all Christ is, Jesus came only to lead me to the Christ. And He is manifest in me. Salvation is Gods SPirit manifest in your mortal flesh. I know you dont believe Him iin that but that really is His way for you like it or not. And the heresies are, that He is not come, and He cant take away your sin. and that you cant have His mind, and that you cant have His SPirit, and you cant be perfected in Him even as your Father in heaven is perfect. Now that is heresy against the one who said He will come to you and be in you. You cant have any of these things untill you let Him and He does,

True but none is teaching those heresys those are just your false accusations youve thrown
at people who have questioned your teachings. Your wrong about the new heaven and new
earth...it is yet future. Jesus Christ is His name....He is still a man..with a glorified body. If not
you wouldnt have anything. Keep attempting to rob the truth from His sheep i see its making them
do their homework and increase their faith in the truth. They know their God and Saviour is
Christ Jesus who came to save them from their sins, and that the indwelling Spirit which is all
you talk about was given to empower them for all they have been commanded to do....it comes with
the new birth...not with a gnostic mental acceptance. It is their very eternal life.

 

[GaryMac]

True but none is teaching those heresys those are just your false accusations youve thrown
at people who have questioned your teachings. Your wrong about the new heaven and new
earth...it is yet future. Jesus Christ is His name....He is still a man..with a glorified body. If not
you wouldnt have anything. Keep attempting to rob the truth from His sheep i see its making them
do their homework and increase their faith in the truth. They know their God and Saviour is
Christ Jesus who came to save them from their sins, and that the indwelling Spirit which is all
you talk about was given to empower them for all they have been commanded to do....it comes with
the new birth...not with a gnostic mental acceptance. It is their very eternal life.

Well, as I said in my post, you serve a God that you cannot relate to, and I serve one that I can relate to. I wish you would do your homework, but you wont, you already know more than God does.

 

[Snackersmom]

Okay, Gary, help me to understand. Are you saying that Jesus was NOT the begotten son of God UNTIL He was baptized by John The Baptist, and The Holy Spirit came to Him in the form of a dove?

 

[GaryMac]

Okay, Gary, help me to understand. Are you saying that Jesus was NOT the begotten son of God UNTIL He was baptized by John The Baptist, and The Holy Spirit came to Him in the form of a dove?[/qu


Ill try my best. God came to Jesus in Matt 3:16 and opened all of heaven to him. If Jesus had known all of heaven before this event there would have been no need to, don’t you think?, I have to ask myself why was it necessary for God to come to Jesus in His Spirit and open His kingdom to the man?

May I ask you a question? Do you have an explanation why this was necessary, if Jesus was God himself, Why did God come to that man in His Spirit and open to that man what he didn’t know before? Do you have an explanation as to why this occurred and is written?

I will try. Jesus was a man of flesh sent by God and God came to that man and opened His kingdom to him by His Spirit. Jesus is example of what God wants in us and is supposed to happen in you and I by the same Spirit coming to you and I and doing the same.

God really did send him as an example of what is supposed to happen in you and I and you can read it for yourself, Matt 3:16, that He would expect from anyone who will receive in them what His example received in him. Sad to say. The example God sent for us to be like and follow … Man has made a god, because they refuse to follow that example and claim they cant be as that example God sent for them to follow.

That is the best I can explain why God came to Jesus and opend His kingdom to that man. And I can say in all honesty, He did the same in me because I did follow His example. Condemn me if you will. I understand, just as Jesus understood. They do not know what they are doing.

 

[Abiding]

Well, as I said in my post, you serve a God that you cannot relate to, and I serve one that I can relate to. I wish you would do your homework, but you wont, you already know more than God does.

Do you have an overactive imagination? Where do you come with this stuff?? not from my posts, thats for sure!

 

[GaryMac]

Do you have an overactive imagination? Where do you come with this stuff?? not from my posts, thats for sure!

Well it is like this. in your image God is a man. in my image God is a Spirit. Over active imagination? Well look at the immage of God.With your god You are created in the image of a man, for a man is your god. I am created in the image of my God who is SPirit because his PSirit abides in me. Christ in me is where He comes up with this stuff. I didnt come up with this stuff at all I only repeate what Jesus had for me.

 

[cronjecj]

To you all.

And some of you won’t even read all of this before you are ready to comment.

It is obvious in our discussions that we serve a different God. Lets look at the difference in the God you serve and the one Jesus served and the one I serve.

Some of you are ready to comment already!

In most of your testimonies about your God you say your God is a man and is yet to come and you are waiting His arrival through the clouds. You say your God is coming to deliver you someday from this world. Your God is going to take you out of this world and sit you in some faraway place called heaven a utopia where lil angels fly about in white robes. You say He is going to bring a new heaven and earth. You are much like the Hebrews out of Egypt.

My testimony is God is not a man but Spirit and has come and made His abode in the man. He came to Mary and made His abode in her, He came to Jesus and made His abode in him in Matt 3:16, He brought a new heaven and earth to the man, Mary and Jesus whole life took a different turn after this event. He did to Paul on the road to Damascus. He did the same in 120 in an upper room, and He did the same in Moses and some others. and He did the same in me.

I no longer have to look through a cloud darkly, he came through that cloud that had me blinded to Him and He did in me what He did in these that we read of. I was like you and was looking for a man as a God, but when I met Him face to face I fell on my face as dead and cried out my Lord and my God I have been deceived for so long, now I see and I am that I am.

You say you have communication with God in prayer and you pray to a God that is not here and is yet to come and reveal to you who He is. May I ask how will you know Him if He stood in front of you and said I am Jesus Christ. How would you distinguish a man claiming to be a God from anyone else? How would you treat a man who says I am the Christ, follow me. How would treat a man who said I am the way and if you will follow me I will show you great and might things. Follow me and I will show you how to be one with my Father. He in you and you in Him as one. Follow me and I will lead you to my Fathers kingdom. Does any of that sound familiar?

My God came to me, I followed Him and He made me one with Him. My God I can communicate with because He is here now and sups with me.

What good is a God that isn’t here, is yet to come, will not answer your prayes, and is for some folk for another time past or for a future but never for now for you?

For 2000 years you have been looking for this God and all the while He has been knocking at mans door screaming … Here I am, let me into your world and I will change your world into a new heaven and earth where righteousness abides , where there is no sin and you sit on my throne with Him. My kingdom is not of this world my kingdom is within you. My kingdom does not come with observation as you are seeking for a heaven out there for the sweet by and by. My kingdom is within you.

That is the difference in the God you are waiting for and the one I serve and know and did come. As long as you make Him wait, you will never ever see Him. And I will tell you a truth, if you can’t see Him now, what makes you think you will when you are dead? There is a great gulf fixed between heaven and hell and once you have crossed over into death, there is no coming back. You do not believe Him now that He will come to you and be in you and you have missed Him already.

That is the difference in a living God and a God who is still in a grave and is yet to come.

Matthew 24:27
For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Revelation 21:1
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Roams 8:26
Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

Mark 13:24-27
But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

John 16:7
Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

You skipped this.

You see i take scripture as it is, but on the other hand others take them and make them their own to fit their imagination but sorry im not going to fall for your "imagination" which you think is true because you got it all figured out don't you?

Normally people go astray after many years then all a sudden the word is not good enough for them, that's when people get itchy for vain glory.

 

[GaryMac]

In most of your testimonies about your God you say your God is a man and is yet to come and you are waiting His arrival through the clouds. You say your God is coming to deliver you someday from this world. Your God is going to take you out of this world and sit you in some faraway place called heaven a utopia where lil angels fly about in white robes. You say He is going to bring a new heaven and earth. You are much like the Hebrews out of Egypt.

My testimony is God is not a man but Spirit and has come and made His abode in the man. He came to Mary and made His abode in her, He came to Jesus and made His abode in him in Matt 3:16, He brought a new heaven and earth to the man, Mary and Jesus whole life took a different turn after this event. He did to Paul on the road to Damascus. He did the same in 120 in an upper room, and He did the same in Moses and some others. and He did the same in me.

I no longer have to look through a cloud darkly, he came through that cloud that had me blinded to Him and He did in me what He did in these that we read of. I was like you and was looking for a man as a God, but when I met Him face to face I fell on my face as dead and cried out my Lord and my God I have been deceived for so long, now I see and I am that I am.

You say you have communication with God in prayer and you pray to a God that is not here and is yet to come and reveal to you who He is. May I ask how will you know Him if He stood in front of you and said I am Jesus Christ. How would you distinguish a man claiming to be a God from anyone else? How would you treat a man who says I am the Christ, follow me. How would treat a man who said I am the way and if you will follow me I will show you great and might things. Follow me and I will show you how to be one with my Father. He in you and you in Him as one. Follow me and I will lead you to my Fathers kingdom. Does any of that sound familiar?

My God came to me, I followed Him and He made me one with Him. My God I can communicate with because He is here now and sups with me.

What good is a God that isn’t here, is yet to come, will not answer your prayes, and is for some folk for another time past or for a future but never for now for you?

For 2000 years you have been looking for this God and all the while He has been knocking at mans door screaming … Here I am, let me into your world and I will change your world into a new heaven and earth where righteousness abides , where there is no sin and you sit on my throne with Him. My kingdom is not of this world my kingdom is within you. My kingdom does not come with observation as you are seeking for a heaven out there for the sweet by and by. My kingdom is within you.

That is the difference in the God you are waiting for and the one I serve and know and did come. As long as you make Him wait, you will never ever see Him. And I will tell you a truth, if you can’t see Him now, what makes you think you will when you are dead? There is a great gulf fixed between heaven and hell and once you have crossed over into death, there is no coming back. You do not believe Him now that He will come to you and be in you and you have missed Him already.

That is the difference in a living God and a God who is still in a grave and is yet to come.

 

[GaryMac]

You skipped this.

You see i take scripture as it is, but on the other hand others take them and make them their own to fit their imagination but sorry im not going to fall for your "imagination" which you think is true because you got it all figured out don't you?

Normally people go astray after many years then all a sudden the word is not good enough for them, that's when people get itchy for vain glory.

I agree witht you ... You take scripture as you see it through the eyes of flesh. ANd I do not think it true at all. I am living proof it is true. And I do not think I have it figured out at all. If we think we have it figured out then we are on our own. There is noting to figure out if Gods SPirit comes to you and opens His heaven to you. He does all the figuring for you, all you have to do is obey.

And people go astray when they try and figure Him outon their own insted of letting Him come and dictate to you His way for Himself. And yes people get itchy trying to figure it out and wind up in some doctrine man made.

 

[cronjecj]

Gary, it does not matter what you say if it simply does not line up with scripture i am not going to believe it.

God's Spirit is among us.

Jesus Christ is in Heaven as we speak with a glorified flesh and bone body, still with the holes in his hands.

Jesus Christ is still to come but not until the son of perdition is revealed.

Heaven did open up on Him in Matthew 3:16 we do not argue with that but as scripture states Jesus Christ was God incarnate from birth of a virgin, He is the Messiah.

Do not believe me? look here,

Isaiah
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

In fact Jesus is also known as the Angel of the Lord in the OT and i believe he was Melchizedek in the OT too the High priest forever.

 

[cronjecj]

i have faith in God that He honors His word, His word will never change it is forever.

 

[GaryMac]

Gary, it does not matter what you say if it simply does not line up with scripture i am not going to believe it.

God's Spirit is among us.

Jesus Christ is in Heaven as we speak with a glorified flesh and bone body, still with the holes in his hands.

Jesus Christ is still to come but not until the son of perdition is revealed.

Heaven did open up on Him in Matthew 3:16 we do not argue with that but as scripture states Jesus Christ was God incarnate from birth of a virgin, He is the Messiah.

Do not believe me? look here,

Isaiah
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

In fact Jesus is also known as the Angel of the Lord in the OT and i believe he was Melchizedek in the OT too the High priest forever.

I agree 100% no matter what one says, if it does not line up with the word Im not gonna believe it. Things like, Let this same Spirit be in you who was in Christ Jesus, and have the same mind, and walk as He walks, and be perfect even as He is. And those in Christ cannot sin and so on. I agree with you 100%, if it isn’t in there don’t believe it! But then if it is in there then I would suggest that you do believe it.

And God is a Spirit in us, Same Spirit in you who was in Christ Jesus. Are you sure you believe what is written?

And Jesus Christ is at the right hand of the Father and in heaven. He had the same in Him that I have in me, The kingdom of God is withn me as well.

And sure you aregue with Matt 3:16 when GOD came to Jesus and opend all of heaven to the man. Had yu the same experience you would know the same God that came came to Jesus and know that Jesus didn’t come to himself and open heaven to himself LOL.

Do you believe that it is you who is supposed to be all of these things that Jesus came to give you? And it is you who who is supposed to be the one the everlasting Father comes to and makes His abode in? Where the angel of the lord resides? And that Jesus was patterned after the order of Melchizedek as we all are who has the same?

You have set yourself so high above Gods way for you, you will never see who He really is.

 

[GaryMac]

i have faith in God that He honors His word, His word will never change it is forever.

Amen. He in me and I in Him are one. John 17.

 

[cronjecj]

I agree 100% no matter what one says, if it does not line up with the word Im not gonna believe it. Things like, Let this same Spirit be in you who was in Christ Jesus, and have the same mind, and walk as He walks, and be perfect even as He is. And those in Christ cannot sin and so on. I agree with you 100%, if it isn’t in there don’t believe it! But then if it is in there then I would suggest that you do believe it.

And God is a Spirit in us, Same Spirit in you who was in Christ Jesus. Are you sure you believe what is written?

And Jesus Christ is at the right hand of the Father and in heaven. He had the same in Him that I have in me, The kingdom of God is withn me as well.

And sure you aregue with Matt 3:16 when GOD came to Jesus and opend all of heaven to the man. Had yu the same experience you would know the same God that came came to Jesus and know that Jesus didn’t come to himself and open heaven to himself LOL.

Do you believe that it is you who is supposed to be all of these things that Jesus came to give you? And it is you who who is supposed to be the one the everlasting Father comes to and makes His abode in? Where the angel of the lord resides? And that Jesus was patterned after the order of Melchizedek as we all are who has the same?

You have set yourself so high above Gods way for you, you will never see who He really is.

The following is proof that Jesus Christ is the Almighty God from the beginning of creation.

KJV Old Testament

Ezekiel 43:2
And, behold, the glory of the God of Israel came from the way of the east: and his voice was like a noise of many waters: and the earth shined with his glory.

KJV New Testament

Revelation 1:13-18
And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength. And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

 

[AnandaHya]

Well, as I said in my post, you serve a God that you cannot relate to, and I serve one that I can relate to. I wish you would do your homework, but you wont, you already know more than God does.

yes he already knows more than the "god" you have allowed inside your heart to tell you lies and puff up your pride does.

JESUS CHRIST is LORD and SAVIOR. IF JESUS has nothing to do with the "christ" that is within you, then that speaks volumes of the type of spirit in your heart.

God's HOLY SPIRIT speaks to me every day, guides me, shows me the TRUTH and reveals all I need to know of the world. He cleanses me and makes me who GOD wishes me to be and gives me daily my bread so that I might do the task HE has foreordained for me to do. My relationship with GOD is personal and NOW. HE answers EVERY prayer I have ever prayed to Him in HIS time and in His ways not always want I think I want but always what I know I need.

You're lies are getting desperate.

you can relate to the god within you because you have created that god into your image.

God Holy SPIRIT and HIS majesty goes beyond the human mind but our souls sings with the angels in Heaven even now, but you will never understand what that really means because you are stuck in your own imagination of what you think Christ is for you deny JESUS CHRIST the ONLY Begotten SON of GOD.

 

[cronjecj]

Never have I said Jesus Christ is not King, you only say, I deny He is king. You ready my post just like you read the bible, and hear only what you want to hear.

You said no not at all when i asked you if you believe Jesus is the Father also reeeeememmmmber Gary? and there is only one King and that is God the Father which came in flesh an ascended into heaven.

 

[Snackersmom]

Okay then, Gary, I have another question for you. When Jesus was conceived in Mary's womb, who was in the room with her? List everyone you know of, both flesh and spirit.

 

[GaryMac]

The following is proof that Jesus Christ is the Almighty God from the beginning of creation.

KJV Old Testament

Ezekiel 43:2
And, behold, the glory of the God of Israel came from the way of the east: and his voice was like a noise of many waters: and the earth shined with his glory.

KJV New Testament

Revelation 1:13-18
And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength. And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

HUH? Out from us all who has Gods SPirit flow rivers of living waters and there are many of us. Well lets say a few of us who has foind His way.

Amen I fell at His feat as dead and He laied His hand upon me and gave to me what He gave to Jesus, same SPirit in me who was in Christ Jesus.

 

[GaryMac]

yes he already knows more than the "god" you have allowed inside your heart to tell you lies and puff up your pride does.

JESUS CHRIST is LORD and SAVIOR. IF JESUS has nothing to do with the "christ" that is within you, then that speaks volumes of the type of spirit in your heart.

God's HOLY SPIRIT speaks to me every day, guides me, shows me the TRUTH and reveals all I need to know of the world. He cleanses me and makes me who GOD wishes me to be and gives me daily my bread so that I might do the task HE has foreordained for me to do. My relationship with GOD is personal and NOW. HE answers EVERY prayer I have ever prayed to Him in HIS time and in His ways not always want I think I want but always what I know I need.

You're lies are getting desperate.

you can relate to the god within you because you have created that god into your image.

God Holy SPIRIT and HIS majesty goes beyond the human mind but our souls sings with the angels in Heaven even now, but you will never understand what that really means because you are stuck in your own imagination of what you think Christ is for you deny JESUS CHRIST the ONLY Begotten SON of GOD.

Jesus Christ is Lord only if you follow His way for you. Be one with Him, He in you and you in Him as one. If you do nto follow His way and are, then He isnt Lord over you at all.

And if He does cleans you from all unrighetiousness then you are sinless, and if your relationship to Him is personal and now, you would be like He is and one with Him.

And if Christ lied that He will come to you and be in you and make you one with Him then I would seek another ho does not lie. But then we know He doent lie now dont we?

ANd His majesty goes beyond the human mind if that human mind doent know Him. But we in Christ have the mind of Christ, same Spirit. ANd as far as understanding His reality Christ in you works in you His diety and in turn we work it out, begotten of Him. It is a marvelous thing to walk in the stature and way of God. Christ in me really is the hope of glory.

 

[GaryMac]

You said no not at all when i asked you if you believe Jesus is the Father also reeeeememmmmber Gary? and there is only one King and that is God the Father which came in flesh an ascended into heaven.

Jesus was son of God, he said so himsel,f and he also said God, his Father, sent him to show us His Fathers way for us, He is Gods way for us to be. But as far as King, A plack was nailed to his cross, King of the Jews. As long as yo0ur god is a man, a flesh god, you will never see the God that came to Jesus and opend His kingdom to that man. matt 3:16. God really did come to Jesus. I know you dont believe that He did, and the reason you cant believe that God did come to Jesus in Spirit, is you worship a flesh god. A flesh god is all that you can relate to. You cant relate to a God of SPirit.