Anyone who can promote the teaching that we can lose something that God secured for us with the death of His Son, has some slippery rocks under his feet.
Loss of salvation???
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Anyone who can promote the teaching that we can lose something that God secured for us with the death of His Son, has some slippery rocks under his feet.
And the irony of it all? When did the Lord Jesus Christ go on a tangent based upon "Sinners?" ......But He sure went on a tangent based upon "gooders."
There are those who believe, but not for themselves. They haven't taken the gospel into their bowels; they haven't eaten of his flesh or drank of his blood because they've judged themselves 'unworthy,' and have a whole lot of help and support in coming to this judgment.
"Guess I'm not following your point."
Okay, here are the passages:
1st Cor. 12:3
Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.
Luke 4:41
Moreover, demons came out of many people, shouting, “You are the Son of God!” But he rebuked them and would not allow them to speak, because they knew he was the Messiah.
This is my point.
By asserting that 1st Cor. 12:3 is a all-encompassing axiom and not general in nature you are turning the passage into a litmus test.
Something that it is not.
Remember:
Matthew 7:21-23
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
Faith is Obedience:
NKJ Hebrews3:16-19 For who were those who heard and yet rebelled? Was it not all those who left Egypt led by Moses? 17 And with whom was he provoked for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose bodies fell in the wilderness? 18 And to whom did he swear that they would not enter his rest, but to those who were disobedient? 19 So we see that they were unable to enter because of unbelief.
labor work for the food which perishes, but (Command to work) for the food which endures to everlasting remains into life without end, which the Son of Man will give to you, because God the Father has set His seal on Him." 28 Then they said to Him, "What shall we do, that we may work the works of God (the works God requires)?" 29 Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God (the work God requires), that you believe in Him whom He sent."
Summary of Faith-Obedience:
Belief is Obedience
NKJ Hebrews3:16-19 For who were those who heard and yet rebelled? Was it not all those who left Egypt led by Moses? 17 And with whom was he provoked for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose bodies fell in the wilderness? 18 And to whom did he swear that they would not enter his rest, but to those who were disobedient? 19 So we see that they were unable to enter because of unbelief.
- Hebrews says some “rebelled” and “sinned” in the wilderness.
- Hebrews says in parallel that they “did not obey.”
- Hebrews says in parallel that they “did not believe.”
- Therefore, unbelief is rebellion, sin, and disobedience — and therefore belief is obedience.
- Jesus commands unbelievers to work for the food that remains.
- Jesus defines that work as believing in the One He sent.
- Therefore, when an unbeliever believes, he is obeying Jesus’ command.
- Therefore, belief is obedience.
- The jailer asks what he must do to be saved.
- The apostles command him to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.
- Therefore, believing in the Lord Jesus Christ is commanded for salvation.
- Therefore, belief is obedience
- Paul says some people “did not obey the gospel.”
- Paul says in parallel that they “did not believe the gospel.”
- Therefore, not believing the gospel is disobedience.
- Therefore, believing the gospel is obedience.
- God commands men to believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ
- God commands belief in Jesus Christ
- When a man believes in Jesus Christ, he is obeying God’s command to believe
- Therefore, belief is obedience
Summary of Faith-Obedience:
- Belief was obedience for the OC Hebrews - Heb3:16-19
- Belief is obedience for the unbeliever - John6:27-29; Acts16:31; Rom10:16
- Belief is obedience for the unbeliever and the believer - 1John3:23
Belief is Obedience
Good point! Those places that speak of our security in Christ make strong clear statements.
Much love!
Anyone who thinks they earn or contribute to their salvation by doing good works has put themself against God's plan.
Romans 4:4-5 KJV
4) Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5) But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
It actually disqualifies that one.
Much love!
Surely we must be able to reconcile what Paul says in Rom4 with what Jesus and Paul say:
Anyone who doesn't understand that the initial belief of an unbeliever is an obedient work required by God and commanded by Jesus Christ has not properly understood Scripture and does not properly understand Faith.
Anyone who doesn't think good works are part of our salvation doesn't understand what we were newly created for under grace
NKJ Eph2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
Anyone who doesn't understand that salvation is for those who obey Jesus Christ is not teaching accurately the word of truth
NKJ Heb5:9 And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him,
NET 2 Timothy 2:15 Make every effort to present yourself before God as a proven worker who does not need to be ashamed, teaching the message of truth accurately.
Anyone who doesn't think we obediently work with God to accomplish our salvation, is not understanding some of the many commands to the believer in NC Scripture:
NKJ Phil2:12-13 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out (accomplish by work) your own salvation with fear and trembling; 13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.
In Paul's argument, that verse is a given. It's a truth that everyone agrees is true.
Those who think we can lose our salvation are slapping the Word of God in the face.
Just like they slapped Jesus...
Omniscient God is going to give His beloved Son a gift that God knows is defective and must be thrown away?
Are they?
They are Proverbs 12:1
Just like they slapped Jesus...
Omniscient God is going to give His beloved Son a gift that God knows is defective and must be thrown away?
But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe.
All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes
to me I will never drive away.
For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him
who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of
all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day."
John 6:36-39
... are they dumb?Are they?
Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge,
but whoever hates correction is stupid." Proverbs 12:1
And, they sure do hate it!
They are Proverbs 12:1
The way I've seen you handle God's Word, I'm not interested in your posts. If you think there is some contradiction you need to start at the beginning.
I'm not interested in you trying to convince me Paul's words here are false.
Much love!
This is a tough question. In Matthew 25 when sheeps separated from the goats when it's said when I was hungry you fed me,naked you clothes me, thirsty you have me something to drink enter your Father's rest. Scholars interpret that it was us on how we treat others are Christ family not just other people. Hebrews 10:39 talks about how we do not shrink back and are destroyed. Ephesians 2:8 another reassurance. Hebrews 6:4-6 2 Peter 2 20-22. It is possible. God help us! The key thing is love. The greatest commandments Jesus spoke. Love the Lord thy God with all your heart soul manage strength and love your neighbor yourself. Also, 1st Corinthians 13:7. So if you're reading this or any other Christian let's endure. Amen.
What Paul wrote in 1st Cor. 12:3 is general.
What Christ stated in Matthew 7:21-23 is an axiom.
Learn the difference.
According to that verse and context, we can see that it is both specific in message and all-encompassing. It is an incorrect assumption on your part to say otherwise. While it is true that anyone can speak those words, however, only those indwelt by the Holy Spirit can, will, and must, speak and mean them with sincerity and from the heart. To say that it is was intended as general in nature, would make the verse irrelevant and meaningless spiritually speaking, because it would have no point, nor convey any direct spiritual edification, truth, or knowledge unto those for whom it was intended, which was its purpose. Because it was spoken by God through Paul, in/by itself, it became self-documenting spiritual truth.
Clearly one concerns a false profession - then, while the other concerns a true profession - now.
Many will say, Lord, Lord . . . this is what they tell Jesus to get out of punishment.
Confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus . . . say the same thing with your mouth concerning Jesus, that He is Lord. Are we suggesting a false confession saves? God knows the difference!
Apples and oranges . . .
Much love!