Adventists, Ellen G. White, failed prophecies and scripture

[HealthAndHappiness]

You folks are trying to make ALL SDA's look evil, by the actions a few notable SDA people and instances, throughout history.
God judges people on the character of our individual hearts. ...

I certainly hope my SDA friends decided to trust Christ for His gift of everlasting life. I loved them enough to share the gospel with them. God only knows how many other ways His love was expressed to them through a Christian.

Good or Evil Not as groups ! There were many Christians of all denominations deceived by Hitler, as also by Satan TODAY. There are many, many Evil People in all denominations, delutional and calling themselves Christians. These CC forums are a good example.

None of us SDA's have ever said that we are perfect, sinless, saved or uninfluenced by Satan, not even Ellen G White, being Gods Messenger.

Your Character Assassination of Ellen White, is the same as the Pharisees, character assassination of Jesus. You hate her revelations of Truth Jesus, and her counsels shining light on the Word of God, where we are required obedience to God, sanctification to be SAVED.

You folks hate EGW & SDA's in general (me) for showing you your love of DISOBEDIENCE & SIN, to God ( "Kill the Messenger !" )
Matt 23:29-31

Love has been shown to a number of 7thDayAdventists.
Nothing I cited was an expression of hatred for you or other individuals. My points namely expressed my love for the Lord and for those whom He died.
Ellen Gould White taught a false works based gospel contradicting the pure grace of God. I hate her false gospel and love the truth.
Galatians 1KJV

6. I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

The Spirit of the Roman Church hates EGW for these same reason, as it hates ALL true Protestants of her. ( eg. The RCC Jesuit order )

Satan hates EGW for helping to bring so many people to Jesus, just as Satan hates ANYONE believing and supporting Jesus. Satan is all about Kill, stealing and destroying people & their Jesus like characters of hearts,
... Just as YOU hate and are trying hard to destroy EGW's reputation ... "Kill God's Messenger ! "

According to her, she's just soul sleeping. I didn't destroy her reputation. 7th Day Adventist already know that her claim of newly inspired books contradict traditional Bible believing Evangelical/fundamental Christianity. She wrote plenty to establish her own reputation. We reject her as a prophet from God.
That's why I keep getting invitations from SDAs that hide their identities. My own friends wouldn't disclose their religion for many years in spite of my questions. I went to a couple conferences and nobody would tell me what church they belonged to.
I was deceived by a bunch of SDAs and I've been up front about my beliefs. I'm tired of the deception. I'm tired of being used. They received far more than I could afford.

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We Commandment Keepers who have the Testimony and Faith of Jesus, supporting scriptural understanding, fostering obedience to God, His righteousness, and abhorrence of sin, while many of you folks are supporting disobedience to God, unrighteousness and preference for sin by your aligning with the " Man of sin " in his promoting his "doctrines of demons". ... Those in rebellion against God’s truth. Psalm 119:142 ""Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth.""

Romans 3:21–22
_"But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, ( in Jesus) although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it—the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction."

Revelation 19:10
"And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, 'Do not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers who rely on the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.'"_

Gal 2:20"For I through the law am dead to the law, (by Christ IN ME) that I might live to God. I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ lives in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me."

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1 Timothy 4:1
"Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared." ( continuing in disobedience & sinning, "kill the messenger" )

II Thessalonians 2-3
"Let no one deceive you by any means; for that day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God."

II Thessalonians 2:10
"And with all delusion of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

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[JayWalker]

It has no "Spirit" evil or othewise.

What you failed to understand is this tool is a creation of fallen mankind who is blinded from the Truth and this tool seeing things from the point of view of fallen mankind and will teach false things about the Lord Jesus and salvation because it's continually learning and growing from data found on the internet which is overwhelmingly providing false doctrine.

if I want to search 25 million words for all instances of, "The Righteousness of Christ"

Those that actually love the Lord depend on the Holy Spirit and search the scriptures.
Jesus said the Holy Ghost would lead us in to ALL Truth (John 16:13),
and Jesus said God's Word IS Truth (John 17:17)

Don't say you are led by the Holy Spirit when you contradict what the apostle is saying.

You're the one contradicting what God's Word teaches as your AI buddies leads you

How do you explain so many different church organizations that all claim, to be guided
by the Holy Spirit?

Due to there being so many listening to the devil like you, the result is much false doctrine.

Who said that?

Those claiming when God created the Heavens and the earth that is was not perfect.

God said it was GOOD which means it was perfect

In Mark 10:18 Jesus said God is GOOD and so these people claim God is not perfect because Jesus said God was only GOOD.

They fail to understand that there is no darkness in God (1 John 1:5) which means there is no imperfection in Him at all so He is in fact perfect and all things He created are perfect

Those claiming otherwise are creating strife and division between themselves and the Lord

If I see that you are not be kind to your enemies then, I know you are not bearing the fruit
of the Holy Spirit.

Trying to help other escape false doctrine is being kind to them and I don't see those that are deceived to be my enemies at all. They are people that need help and sadly so much of the time they cling to their false doctrine and have to be ignored as they continue speaking in behalf of the devil.

It's really a sad situation for so many in these last days where the greatest danger is deception.

 

[Dino246]

What you failed to understand is this tool is a creation of fallen mankind who is blinded from the Truth and this tool seeing things from the point of view of fallen mankind and will teach false things about the Lord Jesus and salvation because it's continually learning and growing from data found on the internet which is overwhelmingly providing false doctrine.

Automobiles, the printing press, and regulated electricity are all inventions of "fallen mankind", but I'll bet you use them all without a second thought. You are therefore hypocritical.

Those that actually love the Lord depend on the Holy Spirit and search the scriptures.

Those claiming when God created the Heavens and the earth that is was not perfect.

God said it was GOOD which means it was perfect

"Good" does not mean "perfect". Not in Hebrew, and not in English. They are different concepts. "Good" is relative; "perfect" is absolute. You are the one who is not depending on the Holy Spirit and searching the Scriptures, but instead you are imposing your erroneous understanding of simple words onto the text and accusing others of sin.

They fail to understand that there is no darkness in God (1 John 1:5) which means there is no imperfection in Him at all so He is in fact perfect and all things He created are perfect

That is an illogical extrapolation.

Those claiming otherwise are creating strife and division between themselves and the Lord

It is you who is creating strife by your silly misconceptions and accusations. God is not concerned about His children who correctly understand what He said and what He meant by it.

It's really a sad situation for so many in these last days where the greatest danger is deception.

So what makes you think you are immune from deception? You seem to be embracing it wholeheartedly.

 

[rrcn]

I had a rough time getting through my devotional this morning. I was reading chapter 78 of the book "Desire of Ages", Calvary.

Here is a short excerpt . . .
The spotless Son of God hung upon the cross, His flesh lacerated with stripes; those hands so often reached out in blessing, nailed to the wooden bars; those feet so tireless on ministries of love, spiked to the tree; that royal head pierced by the crown of thorns; those quivering lips shaped to the cry of woe. And all that He endured—the blood drops that flowed from His head, His hands, His feet, the agony that racked His frame, and the unutterable anguish that filled His soul at the hiding of His Father’s face—speaks to each child of humanity, declaring, It is for thee that the Son of God consents to bear this burden of guilt; for thee He spoils the domain of death, and opens the gates of Paradise. He who stilled the angry waves and walked the foam-capped billows, who made devils tremble and disease flee, who opened blind eyes and called forth the dead to life,—offers Himself upon the cross as a sacrifice, and this from love to thee. He, the Sin Bearer, endures the wrath of divine justice, and for thy sake becomes sin itself.

This book is considered by many as Ellen G. White's masterpiece. Anyone who is interested can click on the link above to read the full chapter.

 

[kinda]

Doug Bachelor finishes his lecture on Catholic influence in America and video is set to be released in two weeks. He felt a soft voice telling him, not to take his car home, but to use Uber instead. Despite it not making sense, he just got a new cell phone, and wanted to try it out. He didn't see any harm on taking Uber just this one time.

He gets home and his wife says, I didn't hear your car pull up. Doug explains why he used Uber. His wife is a little perplexed on what's going on. After dinner they turn on the news and find out, there was a major accident on the 5 Freeway. Also, a car involved looked oddly similar to the one Doug drives.

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They decide to drive to church the next morning to see if his car is still there. In the morning, they drive to church and notice the car is missing. Doug calls the police and notifies them, that his car might of been stolen. As he is talking, he now hears two gun shots from a distance. He flinches and his wife screams.

(Inside the Spirit realm an angel has just saved Doug from two rifle caliber bullets from Jesuit snipers.)

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Doug tells the police he will call them back, because he just heard two gunshots. Doug yells at his wife, GET IN THE CAR! Doug's wife is crying and Doug is trying to hold it together, because he doesn't really know what's going on. They make a full report at the local police station, including a possible stolen car.

(A Jesuit sniper cell has to report back to a high ranking Bishop by coded communication for full update.)

To be continued.......................

The Jesuit Snipers reporting back to the Bishop who is control of California sector, reminds the Jesuits, "we are paying you to get the job done, not to report failed missions." "You will now be relieved of your duties in the U.S. and you will be reassigned to another operation."



(The Jesuits had to do 100 Rosary Prayers and will be reassigned to Mexico as punishment, or be banished from the faith by order of the Vatican.)

(The Vatican has called, the operation to control Protestant influence in America, Operation Black Belt. This is reference to the Bible Belt, that still holds value in Protestant Influence. Vatican now authorizes the use of chatbots, dark web user tracking cookies, and urges the U.S. Government to start mandating Digital I.D.s to use the web. He sends out e-mails to special interest groups, lobbyist, and heads of state who are sympathetic to the Catholic Churches wishes.)



(U.S. officials inform the Vicar of Christ, that Digital I.D.s will now be installed, but will be implemented slowly, to not alert the public, of it's privacy infringements.)



(Vicar of Christ once again holds a general assembly of the Bishops to discuss further propaganda measures to institutionalize the negative views of not only SDA, but also Protestant views, that are counter to the Roman Catholic Church.)



Vicar of Christ made a special announcement on Christmas Eve: "I would like to once again like to encourage every one in the faith, that that hold Christ in your hearts, to come together, and put an end to division, so we can all be one in the LORD."

To be continued...........

 

[rrcn]

The Jesuit Snipers reporting back to the Bishop who is control of California sector, reminds the Jesuits, "we are paying you to get the job done, not to report failed missions." "You will now be relieved of your duties in the U.S. and you will be reassigned to another operation."

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(The Jesuits had to do 100 Rosary Prayers and will be reassigned to Mexico as punishment, or be banished from the faith by order of the Vatican.)

(The Vatican has called, the operation to control Protestant influence in America, Operation Black Belt. This is reference to the Bible Belt, that still holds value in Protestant Influence. Vatican now authorizes the use of chatbots, dark web user tracking cookies, and urges the U.S. Government to start mandating Digital I.D.s to use the web. He sends out e-mails to special interest groups, lobbyist, and heads of state who are sympathetic to the Catholic Churches wishes.)

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(U.S. officials inform the Vicar of Christ, that Digital I.D.s will now be installed, but will be implemented slowly, to not alert the public, of it's privacy infringements.)

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(Vicar of Christ once again holds a general assembly of the Bishops to discuss further propaganda measures to institutionalize the negative views of not only SDA, but also Protestant views, that are counter to the Roman Catholic Church.)

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Vicar of Christ made a special announcement on Christmas Eve: "I would like to once again like to encourage every one in the faith, that that hold Christ in your hearts, to come together, and put an end to division, so we can all be one in the LORD."

To be continued...........

I can’t find anything about this incident, I suspect it may be a hoax. Doug is presently preaching in Africa. I would appreciate it if you would post the link.

 

[kinda]

I can’t find anything about this incident, I suspect it may be a hoax. Doug is presently preaching in Africa. I would appreciate it if you would post the link.

You are missing the irony of this. This is a parody story, see post #450 for further proof.

This story was made to show how SDA skeptics talk, say things, that have no backing, but have a hint of truth, but fall apart, when questioned.

(It's a fictional story to illustrate a point)

 

[pinebeach]

@pinebeach @Gideon300
Ellen White's relationship with Dr. John Harvey Kellogg was complex and evolved over time. Initially, she supported his work, especially in the health and medical fields, because Kellogg was a pioneer in the Adventist health reform movement. His work in developing the Battle Creek Sanitarium, which promoted holistic health principles, was in alignment with the Adventist health message, which emphasized vegetarianism, temperance, and the avoidance of harmful substances.

However, when Kellogg began to promote controversial views, particularly regarding his "treatments" for sexuality and gender, including some of his practices regarding children and sexual tendencies, Ellen White became deeply concerned. These views were not in harmony with the core values of the Seventh-day Adventist church, which upheld the dignity and well-being of children, as well as the sanctity of marriage and sexual relations in accordance with biblical teachings.

Ellen White did not support Dr. Kellogg's later teachings that deviated from the foundational principles of the church. In fact, her letters and writings from this period reflect her increasing frustration with Kellogg. She was particularly alarmed by his promotion of unorthodox and harmful treatments related to sexuality, some of which involved unethical and abusive practices towards children. She did not endorse or justify these practices.

Ellen White's criticism of Kellogg became more vocal as he became more influential and his teachings moved further from Adventist doctrine. She rebuked him for his theological and doctrinal errors, especially as he began to teach ideas that were seen as pantheistic—a view that God was present in all things, which contradicted the traditional Christian understanding of God's transcendence.

When Kellogg's views and practices became more controversial, including his ideas about human sexuality and his promotion of treatments that caused suffering to children, Ellen White strongly rejected these practices and distanced herself from him. She did not support the idea that his work was divinely appointed in the context of his later teachings and actions. She also saw his departure from Adventist teachings as a significant warning to the church about the dangers of self-exaltation and the misuse of medical authority.

In her writings, Ellen White emphasized that health principles should align with biblical teachings and should not lead to harm or suffering. She made it clear that any practice or teaching that caused harm to individuals, especially children, was not appointed by God. Therefore, she did not defend Kellogg when his methods and ideas went against the principles of compassion, respect, and Christian morality.

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Baloney. His practices were controversial from the get go. Now listen. If you do not want to believe it and think the sources quoted are false, that is your preogative. However, don't say the truth posted is not so because you are uncomfortable with it
or perhaps you don't like the idea of believing in this group with such a foundation, but Ellen White was not a prophet of God.
Perhaps go back and read the cognitive challenges she faced because of the damage suffered when a rock was thrown into her
face.

She fancied herself God's voice on the earth. If you wish to think so, you are free to do so. You offer no proof of all the so called
changes in her attitude to Kellogg. I understand that facing the actual facts of how SDA teachings began can be very uncomfortable. However, people need to learn what really went on.

I am going to be posting a video from an ex SDA member who was brought up in the traditions. it is only 22 minutes long and only an intro into the myriad problems with Adventists BUT and the most important, he recalls how he and his wife began to read and search the Bible NT for themselves and the more they did so, the more they questionned SDA teaching. Ultimately, they became believers in Jesus and denied the SDA practices.

 

[pinebeach]

I’m not talking about her rebuking him for his pantheism views. She endorsed him after and during his torturing of children and claimed falsely that he was appointed by God to do it. The answer to the question if you have a heart attack all and especially if you follow Jesus is no. The fact that you refuse to disagree with your little false prophet ellen shows that you follow her and not Christ. You are brainwashed.

This is what happened. The pantheism view came AFTER her endorsement as you say. It may help Adventists to conflate these things since the actual truth is very uncomfortable.

 

[pinebeach]

His path to leaving SDA was a journey and it is a wonderful testimony to the truth of God's word when it is not filtered through false prophecy and teaching

Of particular interest, were his descriptions of the tactics used to avoid answering questions based on scripture; Adventists are taught how to do this and if you start reading in the commandments thread in particular, you will easily find these types of responses. And the Apostle Paul is looked down upon which is something else Adventists are taught to do and this has also come
up many times in the commandment thread.

In the end, the responses from SDA become stereotypical and when all else fails and you keep wanting them to answer scripture or any question that goes against what they teach, they will simply tell you good bye on some flimsy excuse.

If Romans, Ephesians, Colossians, Galatians and so on are going to be basically ignored or thought of as inferior, then it becomes easy to see why Adventists answer the way they do and teach the way they do. They do not teach the truth of the biblical gospel.

 

[pinebeach]

Let's see if she was right about Sunday laws.. over 140 years ago she was shown by God that the church would unite with the state to enforce people to rest on Sunday's. America would be the leading nation.

I'm not sure when but the details are interesting if you want to read about it.

Was it God that told her or a false prophecy.

When it comes true will you believe?

"Political corruption is destroying love of justice and regard for truth, and even in free America rulers and legislators, in order to secure public favor, will yield to the popular demand for a law enforcing Sunday observance.—The Great Controversy, 578, 579, 592.

"When our nation, in its legislative councils, shall enact laws to bind the consciences of men in regard to their religious privileges, enforcing Sunday observance, and bringing oppressive power to bear against those who keep the seventh-day Sabbath, the law of God will, to all intents and purposes, be made void in our land, and national apostasy will be followed by national ruin.—The S.D.A. Bible Commentary 7:977 (1888)." (LDE 133.5).

You know, the devil tempted Jesus in different ways and each temptation had truth in it. That's the thing with false prophecy and false visions and false teaching. Some truth mixed in with the lies. As someone once said, 'the skin of the truth stuffed with a lie.'

SDA teaches that if you go to worship on Sunday and not on Saturday, you are exhibiting the mark of the beast.

Bizzare at best and a demonic lie at worst. Don't believe that. It is not true.

 

[Blade]

well am no SDA and yet I know she believed... and some might not like yet we have no say here awesome huh! She did believe " Jesus came in the flesh died on the cross for the worlds sin was buried rose the 3rd day the only way to the father?" Now today what I just said seems to fall on deaf ears yet it is true.

This thread alone if all posted what they truly personally believe.. this place would go nuts! This happens to all preachers out in the open for all to see and hear. Lol so that avatar I saw so many years ago saying "lord save me from your Children" I thought how awful.. yet today? Yes lord please haha. Few here just want to talk and share...others you stop reading....not of Christ. And sorry but gossip has a play here.. I will not touch it

 

[pinebeach]

well am no SDA and yet I know she believed... and some might not like yet we have no say here awesome huh! She did believe " Jesus came in the flesh died on the cross for the worlds sin was buried rose the 3rd day the only way to the father?" Now today what I just said seems to fall on deaf ears yet it is true.

This thread alone if all posted what they truly personally believe.. this place would go nuts! This happens to all preachers out in the open for all to see and hear. Lol so that avatar I saw so many years ago saying "lord save me from your Children" I thought how awful.. yet today? Yes lord please haha. Few here just want to talk and share...others you stop reading....not of Christ. And sorry but gossip has a play here.. I will not touch it

Yes well Mormons believe, Jesuits believe, all Catholics believe, the Pope believes, JW's believe, Pentecostals who play with snakes believe....apparently believing Jesus existed in the flesh and died and rose again, well, if I may? Even the devil and the demons believe. You do not know what you are talking about and it seems you have yourself convinced of very little. Shall we just throw out all the demonic visions and failed prophecies of Ellen White because you are convince you believe in her belief?

This thread alone? What is the matter with this thread? Every post that indicates the false teaching of EW is referenced. Do you think we made it up? There is nothing at all, nothing whatsoever, funny about the teaching of the SDA.

Few here want to talk and share? This is page 25 of trying quite hard to explain to people why Ellen White was a false teacher and all of the evidence presented with references and much in her own words. You wish to chuckle your way through the seriousness of the SDA cult, the please do go ahead. However no one will be laughing when they are asked why they did not believe the gospel and instead joined a cult. They had a Bible but believed false teaching and were not Bereans and did not
study, pray and examine for themselves.

But do not try to say that those who are concerned are just making noise or are somehow gossiping. The SDA say that those who go to church on Sunday belong to the devil. They call going to church on Sunday the 'mark of the beast'. Still laughing? Still thinking we are just having a little fun or are backbiters and gossips?

I question why you take the time to post what I am responding to. Let's take a look. It seems you might think you are better than others and classify yourself as some sort of self righteous person who believes you are special and not in any way involved here because (ahem) you just want to talk and share. That right? Find some discernment...perhaps change your mind according to the word of God...come into agreement with Him and understand how serious what is written in these pages is.

Have you entertained the same thoughts in the thread that asks if we know that the 10 commandments are the covenant? Do you agree with that? Have you told them that gossip is at play there?

I have discovered over the years and certainly in this forum, that ignorance is not bliss after all.

 

[TMS]

You know, the devil tempted Jesus in different ways and each temptation had truth in it. That's the thing with false prophecy and false visions and false teaching. Some truth mixed in with the lies. As someone once said, 'the skin of the truth stuffed with a lie.'

SDA teaches that if you go to worship on Sunday and not on Saturday, you are exhibiting the mark of the beast.

Bizzare at best and a demonic lie at worst. Don't believe that. It is not true.

The truth is often mixed with error.
That's why you need to test all things to the word and know your bibles.

The point I was making .... watch this space and see it the prophecy is correct or false.

False = the wrong spirit.
True = God's Spirit.

Only God knows the future.

National Sunday laws. The government telling people to rest on Sunday (keep Sunday sabbath).

 

[pinebeach]

The truth is often mixed with error.
That's why you need to test all things to the word and know your bibles.

The point I was making .... watch this space and see it the prophecy is correct or false.

False = the wrong spirit.
True = God's Spirit.

Only God knows the future.

National Sunday laws. The government telling people to rest on Sunday (keep Sunday sabbath)

So then we will just ignore all the false prophecies made by EW. Sounds good. We'll just wait for some nebulous time in the who knows what future to decide if White was really speaking for God or not.

No comment about the mark of the beast being Sunday worship? You good with that?

Since stores are just as open on Sunday now as any other day of the week, that Sunday law is going to really grate with alot of people.

Some regular folk know some of the future as well. You certainly do not test all things since you agree with false teaching.

Just another water carrier for Ellen White IMO.

 

[pinebeach]

The truth is often mixed with error.

This deserves its own response. Here is a wake up call for you

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Jesus is the TRUTH. There is no error in Him and He does not lie and He does not offer a disgusting mix of truth and lies.

Now, if you think you cannot believe that and instead you must follow a long dead confused and cognitively damaged individual, then you are not saved. You must accept Jesus as the only way to God. Without Him, there is no life and no other way to God.

 

[Inquisitor]

I had a rough time getting through my devotional this morning. I was reading chapter 78 of the book "Desire of Ages", Calvary.

Here is a short excerpt . . .
The spotless Son of God hung upon the cross, His flesh lacerated with stripes; those hands so often reached out in blessing, nailed to the wooden bars; those feet so tireless on ministries of love, spiked to the tree; that royal head pierced by the crown of thorns; those quivering lips shaped to the cry of woe. And all that He endured—the blood drops that flowed from His head, His hands, His feet, the agony that racked His frame, and the unutterable anguish that filled His soul at the hiding of His Father’s face—speaks to each child of humanity, declaring, It is for thee that the Son of God consents to bear this burden of guilt; for thee He spoils the domain of death, and opens the gates of Paradise. He who stilled the angry waves and walked the foam-capped billows, who made devils tremble and disease flee, who opened blind eyes and called forth the dead to life,—offers Himself upon the cross as a sacrifice, and this from love to thee. He, the Sin Bearer, endures the wrath of divine justice, and for thy sake becomes sin itself.

This book is considered by many as Ellen G. White's masterpiece. Anyone who is interested can click on the link above to read the full chapter.

Yes, the book The Desire of Ages by Ellen G. White contains material that was heavily borrowed or adapted from other authors of her time without formal citation or quotation marks. Whether this technically constitutes "plagiarism" is a subject of debate between critics and supporters, largely depending on whether the standards of the 19th or 21st century are applied.

Ministry Magazine

Here is a breakdown of the evidence and perspectives:

• Documentation of Borrowing: Investigations, most notably by Adventist minister Walter Rea in the early 1980s (detailed in his book The White Lie), found that Ellen White used the writings of others across many of her works, including Desire of Ages, Steps to Christ, and Prophets & Kings.
• Study Findings: A study commissioned by the General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists and conducted by Dr. Fred Veltman to analyze The Desire of Ages found that while she did not copy wholesale, she did borrow ideas, phrasing, and structure from previous authors, including William Hanna, Alfred Edersheim, and Frederic W. Farrar. Veltman’s study suggested that in the sampled chapters, there was a significant degree of literary dependence on other sources.
• The Argument for "Fair Use": The Ellen G. White Estate and other supporters argue that her writing style fell within the accepted, looser literary practices of the 19th century. They argue her borrowing does not meet the legal or ethical definition of plagiarism because she did not intend to deceive and she transformed the borrowed material to create a unique, coherent work.
• Legal Perspective: Attorney Vincent L. Ramik, a specialist in patent, trademark, and copyright cases, was hired by the Adventist church to analyze the accusations and concluded in a 27-page opinion that "Ellen White was not a plagiarist, and her works did not constitute copyright infringement/piracy".
• Context: Supporters note that she often encouraged readers to consult the books she used, suggesting no intent to hide her sources, and that much of the source material was already in the public domain.

Conclusion: The Desire of Ages does contain uncredited literary borrowing. Critics argue this proves she did not receive the work solely through divine vision, while supporters view it as "literary borrowing" allowed by 19th-century standards.
(google)

 

[Inquisitor]

This deserves its own response. Here is a wake up call for you

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Jesus is the TRUTH. There is no error in Him and He does not lie and He does not offer a disgusting mix of truth and lies.

Now, if you think you cannot believe that and instead you must follow a long dead confused and cognitively damaged individual, then you are not saved. You must accept Jesus as the only way to God. Without Him, there is no life and no other way to God.

Will you follow Ellen or not?

 

[Inquisitor]

well am no SDA and yet I know she believed... and some might not like yet we have no say here awesome huh! She did believe " Jesus came in the flesh died on the cross for the worlds sin was buried rose the 3rd day the only way to the father?" Now today what I just said seems to fall on deaf ears yet it is true.

That is incorrect Blade.

Ellen believed in a three day and three night duration in the tomb.

A full three days and nights.

So logically, Jesus never rose on the third day but after the third day!

 

[Inquisitor]

Let's see if she was right about Sunday laws.. over 140 years ago she was shown by God that the church would unite with the state to enforce people to rest on Sunday's. America would be the leading nation.

I'm not sure when but the details are interesting if you want to read about it.

Was it God that told her or a false prophecy.

When it comes true will you believe?

"Political corruption is destroying love of justice and regard for truth, and even in free America rulers and legislators, in order to secure public favor, will yield to the popular demand for a law enforcing Sunday observance.—The Great Controversy, 578, 579, 592.

"When our nation, in its legislative councils, shall enact laws to bind the consciences of men in regard to their religious privileges, enforcing Sunday observance, and bringing oppressive power to bear against those who keep the seventh-day Sabbath, the law of God will, to all intents and purposes, be made void in our land, and national apostasy will be followed by national ruin.—The S.D.A. Bible Commentary 7:977 (1888)." (LDE 133.5).

1938: The Fair Labor Standards Act formalized the 40-hour, five-day workweek nationwide, cementing Saturday
and Sunday as the standard weekend.

Don't tell me that the US Govt invoked oppressive power against sabbartarians.

Don't ever blur the truth again.

Anyone can get a five-day workweek.