Easter: Pagan or Christian?

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posthuman said:
i hope you don't think by me stating some historical facts about today doesn't mean you think i am saying that we should not celebrate His resurrection.

far from it

we should not be ignorant, nor should we prop up our traditions with lies. i think it's good that we know the Truth - He rose on Firstfruits, after giving Himself as the Pascal Lamb.

God didn't invent a new holiday on a new day for this. He did these things on the feast days He had already given.

He is our Firstfruits, not our Ishtar - - but wherever and whenever His name is lifted up, i say Amen!
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Glad to hear it.

I have spent way too many days of my life seeking after ground squirrels of so called contemporary accusations against Bible words because my Bible students over the years listened and believed every unbeliever they were captivated by. Some of their sources were extremely disingenuous. I would name names, but don't want you tempted to reach into those holes too, searching for the "real truth" the sceptics claim.
That's why I find them suspect and consider the sources.
 
HealthAndHappiness said:
Almost all English Bibles used Ester/Easter until Tyndale's translation.
His use of Passover in the New Testament from Pascha was due to a lack of a direct dynamic equivalent. It is a good word as it refers back to Exodus origins.
The difference in our New Testament is that the Passover has been fulfilled. Now where remission of sins is, there is no more offering for sin. Hebrews chapters 10-11.
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"Almost all English Bibles... until Tyndale's translation"?

Perhaps you would care to list these "English Bibles" that contain Acts 12 prior to Tyndale?
 
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HealthAndHappiness said:
The problem is that the Jehovah's false Witnesses and other such cults want to dictate their moral superiority and self righteousness to true believers in Christ.
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Hmmm... rather like how King James Only advocates want to dictate their moral superiority and self-righteousness to true believers in Christ.
 
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John146 said:
A great explanation why the word "Easter" was used in the King James Bible.

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24ish,

he says the morning star is the sun - - patently false. the day star is what we call the planet Venus.

5 minutes of research would prove this out.

as i concluded just a few minutes prior, i would never, ever consider hearing this man teach again.

his conclusion is that Luke was wrong when he wrote Acts, but thankfully 1700 years later kjv finally got it right by getting it wrong.

lyge, is i think, the old English word for this, or more recently, malarkey
 
John146 said:
A great explanation why the word "Easter" was used in the King James Bible.

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25:

by saying that easter can only refer to Pascha after Christ's resurrection, his conclusion is essentially that none of the evidence he presented supports his conclusion, and that the Greek of Luke is incorrect.

this is so much BS

it is really no wonder, hearing the end of his brief talk, that he began by saying he taught nonsense lies for years and years without ever examining them.
 
HealthAndHappiness said:
Glad to hear it.

I have spent way too many days of my life seeking after ground squirrels of so called contemporary accusations against Bible words because my Bible students over the years listened and believed every unbeliever they were captivated by. Some of their sources were extremely disingenuous. I would name names, but don't want you tempted to reach into those holes too, searching for the "real truth" the sceptics claim.
That's why I find them suspect and consider the sources.
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i figure the only real "Bible words" are Hebrew and Greek words - - plus the lil bit of Aramaic king Nebudchanezzar put.

i don't set aside that my languages - english, german, spanish - are pagan.
 
The legalism over discipline is very telling. The only input some have about "Easter" is once a year. it seems the only issues is Pagan yet, most in Christianity have learned it has to do with the Resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. I learned that in Sunday school. Did not even have to bring up Paganism because from the beginning it was always about Jesus in the context of His death, burial and resurrection. Today in church there was not even a mention of any Pagan belief or acknowledgment. From the opening of the service it was "He has Risen!!" to which in Tradition we say, "He has risen indeed." Hands were raised in worship to the Risen Lord and nothing else.

IF "Easter" Pagan to you after seeing the word in the book Of Acts 12:4 and yes, the meaning is Passover, but the church tradition has historically tied into the Risen Lord, as Jesus in the Last Supper made it so, and you see it as Pagan that is because you made it so. One chooses to ignore that over 90% of churches today when they celebrated Easter it was in context to the Lord Jesus Christ. Not Pagens
 
Don't KJVO people usually argue that dynamic equivalence is bad? Why is it okay when the KJV does it?
 
posthuman said:
i figure the only real "Bible words" are Hebrew and Greek words - - plus the lil bit of Aramaic king Nebudchanezzar put.

i don't set aside that my languages - english, german, spanish - are pagan.
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My previous comment to you wasn't clear. I went back to add a PS after reading another in #55. It's just that sleep deprivation and the "everything in the Bible is pagan theme" I've heard for years leaves me with little patience. Not my virtue right now.

Granted there are pagan people whose influence on languages is evident. However, I don't think we all need to become historical linguists to understand that Easter/Passover is the enemy of all false deities and their religions.
 
ResidentAlien said:
Don't KJVO people usually argue that dynamic equivalence is bad? Why is it okay when the KJV does it?
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The traditional texts up through the King James were literal translations with a minor peppering of dynamic equivalent terms where necessary for clarity. The langue had been evolving and coming to some stability in the 1500s-1600. Our KJV was responsible for the stability in large part as it was that Bible of the people for centuries.
 
Dino246 said:
Hmmm... rather like how King James Only advocates want to dictate their moral superiority and self-righteousness to true believers in Christ.
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The Jehovah false Witnesses, etc have an active campaign this time of year leading up to Easter to try to undermine Biblical Christianity, namely the resurrection of my Savior.
Their lies have become Internet pop cult-ure as have people who published junk history like Wislops The Two Babylons and the myriad of other comic books that repeat his book.
 
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studier said:
Wycliffe 1382: And when he had caught Peter, he sent him into prison; and betook him to four quaternions of knights, to keep him, and would after pask bring him forth to the people [willing after pask to bring him forth to the people].

Geneva Bible 1560: says "Passeouer"

Geneva Bible 1599: says "Passeouer"

I'm not seeing The Geneva Bible use "easter'
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It used Ester (early spelling of Easter) in early editions, changing to Passover in 1560 like the Tyndale. I checked and apparently it was only used once in that last edition, Acts 12:4.
 
studier said:
Wycliffe 1382: And when he had caught Peter, he sent him into prison; and betook him to four quaternions of knights, to keep him, and would after pask bring him forth to the people [willing after pask to bring him forth to the people].

Geneva Bible 1560: says "Passeouer"

Geneva Bible 1599: says "Passeouer"

I'm not seeing The Geneva Bible use "easter'
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“Pask?”

You’re right, Easter is not Scriptural. I believe it comes from Pagan worship, Catholicism.

Besides, God never told us to pick days out of the year and assign religious holidays to them. These things were all added.

It doesn’t mean we can’t get together with family and enjoy their company on these days, we just don’t do anything religiously.

Jesus’ birth, death, burial, and resurrection is honored every first day of the week. We don’t need to add to Scripture.
 
HealthAndHappiness said:
It used Ester (early spelling of Easter) in early editions, changing to Passover in 1560 like the Tyndale. I checked and apparently it was only used once in that last edition, Acts 12:4.
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Maybe you're speaking of this Geneva N.T. which was apparently a revision of Tyndale and published before the entire Geneva Bible in 1560.

As I understand, the 1560 was done by a team desiring to treat the Text in a more scholarly and accurate way in one sense so as to remove ecclesiastical traditions inserted into translations.

Luke is talking about Passover.
 
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studier said:
Maybe you're speaking of this Geneva N.T. which was apparently a revision of Tyndale and published before the entire Geneva Bible in 1560.

As I understand, the 1560 was done by a team desiring to treat the Text in a more scholarly and accurate way in one sense so as to remove ecclesiastical traditions inserted into translations.

Luke is talking about Passover.
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You may right.
The point I was trying to make had to do with the introduction of the term Passover which replaced the commonly used Easter. They were translated from the same Greek word, which you also pointed out pask. That would be like some Bible words that were not translated because they couldn't think of an English equivalent. A lot of place names are like that as is the common Selah in the Psalms.
 
TruthDefender said:
“Pask?”

You’re right, Easter is not Scriptural. I believe it comes from Pagan worship, Catholicism.

Besides, God never told us to pick days out of the year and assign religious holidays to them. These things were all added.

It doesn’t mean we can’t get together with family and enjoy their company on these days, we just don’t do anything religiously.

Jesus’ birth, death, burial, and resurrection is honored every first day of the week. We don’t need to add to Scripture.
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Doesn't look like Rome is the culprit for the translation issue:

Latin Vulgate stemming from the 4th century uses pascha.

Douay-Rheims 1582 & 1610 (Catholic translation from Latin Vulgate into English): use Pasche
 
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HealthAndHappiness said:
Almost all English Bibles used Ester/Easter until Tyndale's translation.
His use of Passover in the New Testament from Pascha was due to a lack of a direct dynamic equivalent. It is a good word as it refers back to Exodus origins.
The difference in our New Testament is that the Passover has been fulfilled. Now where remission of sins is, there is no more offering for sin. Hebrews chapters 10-11.
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Which is why Passover is the correct word to use and "easter" is not.
 
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