Repentance and Keeping Commandments is only the beginning of salvation.

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In any case, before I answer the question,
I'm checking to see if your life matches your theology.

I already know Christians can live without sin.

There are many who vaunt themselves with this kind if innuendo as if they have stopped sinning, I rarely here someone actually saying it though, and go on to lord it over others. No humilty, just judgmental, "what's wrong with you" sort of attitude.

I've seen this time and again.

So when someone starts writing that way, I ask that question. Whether or not this soteriology is correct or not is a fully separate matter than whether or not you are living accordingly.

Like I said, I already know, for a fact, that Christians can live without sin. The open question, the question I've asked you, is, Are you, not just some speculative person, but you, are you living without sin.

You don't have to answer that. I think it's best to know the truthful answer for your self.

I hope this clarifies the matter.

Much love!
 

Keeping Commandments is only the beginning of salvation​


Neither the beginning, the middle nor the end.

We are not made righteous by our good behavior. How do you understand that keeping commandments is only the beginning of salvation? If you break just one, and remember Jesus spoke of even what goes on in the mind, you have broken all of them
according to scripture.

Do you not understand what being made righteous in Christ actually is?

How about santification? Is that a one moment in time occurence? And if not, if it occurs over our lifetime, than why do we need it if we are now sinless?

So many questions.

Much confusion.
We live without sin when we are walking in the Spirit. How can we know when we are walking in the Spirit? It's not when we're in the middle of arguing with others, that's for certain.

Galatians 5:22-23 KJV
22) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23) Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

If we are walking in the Spirit, this is how we are.

Much love!
 
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Anyone who states wrong and negative assumptions of others does not do so in the Spirit of Christ. Anyone who makes negative false statements about others does not do so in the Spirit of Christ.

Can you accept this truth?

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bodily sinning
What does that mean?

Ephesians 2:3 KJV
3) Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

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We live without sin when we are walking in the Spirit. How can we know when we are walking in the Spirit? It's not when we're in the middle of arguing with others, that's for certain.

Galatians 5:22-23 KJV
22) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23) Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

If we are walking in the Spirit, this is how we are.

Much love!

So do you walk in the Spirit 24 hrs/day? Do you never misunderstand or need correction? Maybe I misunderstand you, but if you are talking about sinlessness or perfection, the Bible does not teach that and no one lives that.

I would refer you to John. He says if we say we have no sin we are a liar. He is writing to believers.
 
Neither the beginning, the middle nor the end.
I disagree, but hear me out. We do keep God's commandments, those that were given to us. To believe in Jesus, and to love others. We are to keep those commandments. But not just everything God ever told or will tell to others.

We're not building arks. We are not leaving Ur of the Chaldeas. We are not bringing tithes to the Levites. We will no be fleeing Judea when the AoD happens. Need I go on?

We keep the commandments given to us, which to me seem higher than all the others, to trust, and to love.

Will we not be judged by that standard?

Much love!
 
So do you walk in the Spirit 24 hrs/day? Do you never misunderstand or need correction? Maybe I misunderstand you, but if you are talking about sinlessness or perfection, the Bible does not teach that and no one lives that.

I would refer you to John. He says if we say we have no sin we are a liar. He is writing to believers.
Personally I think John writes concerning unbelievers in that passage using inclusive wording. But that aside . . .

I've never come across anyone who has shown me that they walk in the Spirit consistently at all times, though I've known some "giants of the faith" and I wouldn't dare think anything beyond the love and goodness I've known in them.

Pretty much, all it takes is for me to ask, in these situations, have you fully ceased from sin? And the next thing you know, I'm finding out personally, more often than not, that they have not, and I'm witnessing it. That just happened this morning, just that way, on another forum I visit.

A big thing for me is discernment. The spiritual man will act in certain ways, and will not act in certain other ways, and we are all revealed by our words.

To give you a direct answer to your question, no, I do not walk in the Spirit at all times, though I know there is no limit to how long one can stay walking in the Spirit.

It's a matter of faith.

Much love!
 
Well, you do you.

I find people can pretty much make scripture say whatever they feel in the moment and I think you are having a moment. ;)
 
Yet, we find many like Ravi Zacharias and Jimmy Swagart that claim they are 'in Christ'
You don't know their final estates or the estates of their hearts. Paul finished well, but the Bible is replete with others who didn't. Eli, David, Hezekiah, even Moses had serious lapses late in life.

And none of this changes the fact that those in Christ are righteous judicially, even though not always in practice.
 
Well, you do you.

I find people can pretty much make scripture say whatever they feel in the moment and I think you are having a moment. ;)
I could show you why I think that if you want. I've considered this passage and studied it over many years.

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Those who believe they are justified by faith-alone and live sinful, with fault and flaw, daily in life (exactly as the unbelievers) are suffering from a delusional case of self-justification.

With continued sins and trespasses of the unbelievers, they are the unbelievers in ceasing from continued sins and trespasses.
Your faulty soteriology is rooted in a logical fallacy. You would do well to learn the common fallacies and avoid employing them in your arguments.
 
Your faulty soteriology is rooted in a logical fallacy. You would do well to learn the common fallacies and avoid employing them in your arguments.
Your faulty gospel is rooted in anti-scriptural fallacy. You would do well to learn the common fallacy and avoid employing dead faith alone to your justification.
 
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Keeping Commandments is only the beginning of salvation​


Neither the beginning, the middle nor the end.
Not keeping the commandments is the beginning, middle, and end of self-justification by faith alone.

Rev 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Psa 119:158
I beheld the transgressors, and was grieved; because they kept not thy word.

Psa 37:38
But the transgressors shall be destroyed together: the end of the wicked shall be cut off.

Do you not understand what being made righteous in Christ actually is?
Being made to do righteousness is the righteousness of Jesus Christ.

1 John{3:7}
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that is doing righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.


Being made righteous by personal faith alone, while doing unrighteousness, is the unrighteousness of another Christ.

Mark 13:22
For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

James{1:22}

But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

Who justifies anyone doing unrighteousness as being the righteous? Certainly not Jesus Christ the righteous.

2Co 4:3
But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
How about santification? Is that a one moment in time occurence?
By Jesus Christ the righteous, His sanctification is with His washing, regeneration, and justification:

Eph 4:28
Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.

1 Cor 6:11
And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

1 Cor 6:9
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers,..Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.



And if not, if it occurs over our lifetime, than why do we need it if we are now sinless?
The progressive never complete sanctification of transgressors, is only that of an unrighteous Christ.

But sanctification from the lust of the world is sinless justification with Jesus Christ.

Mat 1:21
And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Jhn 1:29
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

1Jo 3:5
And we know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in him is not sinning: whosoever is sinning hath not seen him, neither known him.

Faith alone justifiers seek immediate whole justification, with only partial sanctification from sins of the world.

1 Thess{5:22}
Abstain from all appearance of evil. And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

So many questions.
Only for them that question and deny the Scripture's gospel of Jesus Christ.

Such has, how can anyone be righteous, while doing unrighteousness? Not by Jesus Christ the righteous.

How can anyone be wholly justified, while not being wholly sanctified? Not by the whole sanctification and justification of Jesus Christ.

Much confusion.
True. So much confusion without Scripture of truth and the gospel of Jesus Christ, but only another gospel of justification by faith alone, without sanctification from doing unrighteousness.

Gal 1:6
I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel. Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.


The false gospel of faith alone justification without works, is not without works, but is with works of unrighteousness.

The Scripture's gospel of Jesus Christ is justification by faith without works of unrighteousness.
 
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No, he doesn’t. Clearly. ;)
Believers in Scriptures of Jesus Christ clearly understand the difference between the Lord's righteousness of doing righteousness, vs the false righteousness while doing unrighteousness.

And the difference between the gospel promise of being washed, sanctified, and justified, vs another gospel lie of being justified while not sanctified.

1Co 1:2
Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:
Heb 2:11
For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren.


Jde 1:1
Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:

Act 26:17
Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.


Scripture's gospel of Jesus Christ is always with the promise of sanctified, not of sanctifying.

Them that have the faith that is in Jesus Christ are sanctified. Them that have the faith of themselves alone are not sanctified.

Eph{2:8}
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
 
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