Holy Spirit/Blasphemy

[Wansvic]

Well, before I change my stance, since I may agree with you, consider..

Hebrews 10:17-22 KJV
And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. [18] Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. [19] Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, [20] By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; [21] And having an high priest over the house of God; [22] Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

Offering for sin here.. is animal sacrifice

Note Hebrews 6 pertains to principles taught by Christ. (Heb. 6:1)

Repentance (Luke 13:3)
Faith (Mark 16:15-16)
Baptisms (Matt. 28:18-20, Mark 16:16, John 3:5, Luke 11:13)
Laying on of hands (Mark 10:13-16, 16:18; Acts 8:17-18, 19:6)
Resurrection of the dead (John 6:40, 11:25-26)
Eternal judgment (Matt. 25:46)

Lastly, after telling shocked believers that He never knew them Jesus provided insight as to the cause.

Matt 7:21-28
"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.

And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:

And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:"



The NT command pertains to all who believe in Jesus. Repent, and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus for remission of sin and receive the Holy Ghost. (Acts 2:36-42, 8:12-18, 10:43:49, 19:1-7...)

 

[Reddogs]

Holy Spirit

(defined KJV_

(excerpt)

New Testament. Although relatively infrequent in his Old Testament appearances, the Spirit now emerges to dominate the theology and experience of the major New Testament witnesses. The term "Holy Spirit" (pneuma [pneu'ma] hagion [a&gion]) becomes common, although the absolute use remains frequent and "Spirit of God/the Lord" and even "Spirit of Christ" appear too. A distinct personality emerges and, ultimately, explicit trinitarian teaching.

(here)



Holy Spirit Meaning - Bible Definition and References



Complete Jewish Bible

In Judaism, the Holy Spirit (Hebrew: רוח הקודש, ruach ha-kodesh) refers to the divine force, quality, and influence of God over the universe or over God's creatures in giving contexts



Holy Spirit in Judaism



Scriptures about the Holy Spirit:



John 16:13 - Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.





13 However, when the Spirit of Truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own initiative but will say only what he hears. He will also announce to you the events of the future.

(CJB)



John 14:26 - But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.



John 14:26 CJB: 26 But the Counselor, the Ruach HaKodesh, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you everything; that is, he will remind you of everything I have said to you.



Acts 2:38 - Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.



Acts 2: 38 Kefa answered them, "Turn from sin, return to God, and each of you be immersed on the authority of Yeshua the Messiah into forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Ruach HaKodesh!



1 Corinthians 6:19 - What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?



1 Corinthians 6: 19 Or don't you know that your body is a temple for the Ruach HaKodesh who lives inside you, whom you received from God? The fact is, you don't belong to yourselves;



These are just a few Scriptures for reference purposes.



QUESTION:

If one denies the existence of the Holy Spirit, is that what the unpardonable sin is:



Matthew, Chapter 12 KJV:



31Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

32And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.



Matthew Chapter 12 CJB



31 Because of this, I tell you that people will be forgiven any sin and blasphemy, but blaspheming the Ruach HaKodesh will not be forgiven.

32 One can say something against the Son of Man and be forgiven; but whoever keeps on speaking against the Ruach HaKodesh will never be forgiven, neither in the `olam hazeh nor in the `olam haba.

This is a good explanation that clearly shows what it is....

"There are three instances in the Gospels where Jesus speaks of a sin that will not be forgiven—in Matthew 12, Mark 3, and again in Luke 12.

Matthew tells us that Jesus had just been to the synagogue, where He healed a man’s withered hand on the Sabbath. That angered the Pharisees as it broke their “rules” about Sabbath-keeping.

Jesus then angered them further by healing a blind and mute man who was possessed by a demon.

Mark describes the situation a little differently, involving the scribes and the large crowd of people who followed Jesus wherever He went so they could be healed.

In both instances, the Pharisees and scribes insist that Jesus is doing all these miraculous things not through the power of God but through the power of Satan.

It is only by Beelzebul, the prince of demons, that this man casts out demons

Matthew 12:24

Jesus knew the minds and hearts of the Pharisees. He could sense their contempt. He knew they felt threatened by Him and that they had recently been discussing how to get rid of Him (Matthew 12:14).

Jesus responds to their accusations by pointing out the logical problem of Satan’s forces being turned against each other (Mark 3:23–27). He then gives this warning:

Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come

Matthew 12:31–32, ESV

Jesus gives the same warning in Mark, saying:

Truly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the children of man, and whatever blasphemies they utter, but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin

Mark 3:28–29, ESV

In both Gospels, Jesus is up against people who claim He is not acting under the authority of God, but the devil. They’re attributing all His loving miracles, healing, and teachings to an evil power rather than a good power. "

 

[GWH]

Note Hebrews 6 pertains to principles taught by Christ. (Heb. 6:1)

Repentance (Luke 13:3)
Faith (Mark 16:15-16)
Baptisms (Matt. 28:18-20, Mark 16:16, John 3:5, Luke 11:13)
Laying on of hands (Mark 10:13-16, 16:18; Acts 8:17-18, 19:6)
Resurrection of the dead (John 6:40, 11:25-26)
Eternal judgment (Matt. 25:46)

Lastly, after telling shocked believers that He never knew them Jesus provided insight as to the cause.

Matt 7:21-28
"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.

And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:

And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:"



The NT command pertains to all who believe in Jesus. Repent, and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus for remission of sin and receive the Holy Ghost. (Acts 2:36-42, 8:12-18, 10:43:49, 19:1-7...)

Matthew 7 indicates that genuine saving faith is followed by good/godly works, and Matthew 10 indicates that such faith must be lifelong/never repudiated.

 

[Wansvic]

No man comes to the word except the Holy Ghost draws man him, and no man comes to the Father except but by his word. (John 6:44) (John 14:6) As Jesus testified, "For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me." In Deut 18:18, it is written that the LORD said "I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him." And Jesus continued, "But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?"

So if you think that evil bestows good gifts then consider what is written "Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. " So if you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?" If you notice that wasn't a statement of fact but a question. And he was casting out a devil, and it was dumb. And it came to pass, when the devil was gone out, the dumb spake; and the people wondered." Luke 11:13-14

The wind (pneuma) bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit (breath of life). So do you hear the wind blowing or do you hear the sound of the air moving from the force of the wind, so what does the scriptures say about the wind?

In Luke 11:13, Jesus' statement indicates the contrast between the imperfection of human beings and God’s perfect, spiritual generosity. Human parents, those referenced as "evil", provide physical, good gifts ie, earthly, temporary, material, while the Heavenly Father gives the ultimate, spiritual gift of the Holy Spirit.

James 1:17: Uses two Greek words.
"Good gift" (dosis): Refers primarily to the act of giving.
"Perfect gift" (dōrēma): Refers to the object given, implying a bountiful, finished gift. It emphasizes the high quality of divine provision.

Luke 11:13: Uses one Greek word.
"Gift" (doma): Focuses on the concrete gift itself, particularly in the context of the Holy Spirit as the "good thing" given by the Father.

 

[UnoiAmarah]

In Luke 11:13, Jesus' statement indicates the contrast between the imperfection of human beings and God’s perfect, spiritual generosity. Human parents, those referenced as "evil", provide physical, good gifts ie, earthly, temporary, material, while the Heavenly Father gives the ultimate, spiritual gift of the Holy Spirit.

James 1:17: Uses two Greek words.
"Good gift" (dosis): Refers primarily to the act of giving.
"Perfect gift" (dōrēma): Refers to the object given, implying a bountiful, finished gift. It emphasizes the high quality of divine provision.

Luke 11:13: Uses one Greek word.
"Gift" (doma): Focuses on the concrete gift itself, particularly in the context of the Holy Spirit as the "good thing" given by the Father.

If they didn't take notice of the "If ye being evil" part then the Holy Ghost probably isn't the one who drew them to the word. Since the LORD is the God of the heaven above and earth below, the Comforter gives them who are evil the Holy Spirit, which is the breath of life in their nostrils.

O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? Matt 12:34

 

[Ouch]

We both share our opinions about what we think Scripture means. IMO you ignore the seed and eat the shell regarding WB.

No you share your opinons, I know because you can't back them up with HIS word.

What comes out of my mouth I can back up with HIS word.

What to start our debates over again?

 

[GWH]

No you share your opinons, I know because you can't back them up with HIS word.

What comes out of my mouth I can back up with HIS word.

What to start our debates over again?

Ditto.
No

 

[Ouch]

Ditto.
No

Ditto? You could not back up what came out of your mouth!! FACT.

 

[PhorxPhyv]

The following words of Our Lord show how grievous are sins against the Holy Ghost: "Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven, but the blasphemy of the Spirit shall not be forgiven."

The sins against the Holy Ghost are commonly said to be six, that is, despair, presumption, impenitence, obstinacy, resisting truth, and envy of another's spiritual welfare.

 

[PhorxPhyv]

The following words of Our Lord show how grievous are sins against the Holy Ghost: "Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven, but the blasphemy of the Spirit shall not be forgiven."

The sins against the Holy Ghost are commonly said to be six, that is, despair, presumption, impenitence, obstinacy, resisting truth, and envy of another's spiritual welfare.

Some of these are less difficult of pardon than others. Final impenitence is absolutely unpardonable. Those, too, who from deliberate malice refuse to recognize the work of God, as the Pharisees did when they saw the miracles of Our Lord and attributed them to Beelzebub, the Prince of Devils [are unpardonable].

Those who reject deliberately the means of salvation are also rarely pardoned. The difficulty in obtaining pardon for these sins is clearly caused by the sinner himself/herself, who rejects God's grace.

Deliberate and habitual sins, sins against the [light of truth], offend God more gravely than sins due to weakness and ignorance.

 

[GWH]

Ditto? You could not back up what came out of your mouth!! FACT.

The other part of my reply was “no”.

 

[Ouch]

The other part of my reply was “no”.

Yes sir I know, that is why I didn't challenge you.

Have a BLESSED DAY.

 

[Wansvic]

If they didn't take notice of the "If ye being evil" part then the Holy Ghost probably isn't the one who drew them to the word. Since the LORD is the God of the heaven above and earth below, the Comforter gives them who are evil the Holy Spirit, which is the breath of life in their nostrils.

O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? Matt 12:34

The Comforter is the Holy Ghost.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

And then promptly refused to consider the rest of God's Word.

That's how false doctrine get started.




OK, so you do advocate for the heretics. Good to know.




You reject the whole counsel of God claiming God anoints evil people with the Holy Spirit View attachment 287721

I'd expect nothing less from those who advocates for calvinist heresy. It's par for course.

You reject the whole council of God. by failing to confess that you are evil. and are in desperate needs of Gods grace and forgiveness while judgin gothers. typical pharisee

 

[JayWalker]

You reject the whole council of God. by failing to confess that you are evil. and are in desperate needs of Gods grace and forgiveness while judgin gothers. typical pharisee

No, I confessed that I was evil, I got born again turn away from darkness and became a New Creature in Christ Jesus then got filled with the Holy Ghost

That's how I got transferred from darkness in to the Kingdom of God's Dear Son!

This getting born again and abiding in Christ thing is great!

You should check it out!

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

No, I confessed that I was evil, I got born again turn away from darkness and became a New Creature in Christ Jesus then got filled with the Holy Ghost

are you perfect? if not. then in Gods eyes you are still evil.

It is dangerous to tell yourself you have arrived and you have made it. Its why you judge others. because you know deep inside your just as unworthy as they are. but you are to proud to admit it

That's how I got transferred from darkness in to the Kingdom of God's Dear Son!

This getting born again and abiding in Christ thing is great!

You should check it out!

I tried it 45 years ago. It is great. But it is only when I got proud and thought I was better than I was. that my walk with God stumbled..

You should try humility.. you may see God more than you ever have before

 

[JayWalker]

are you perfect?

Did you see what God's Word said about that???

Matthew 5:48
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Luke 6:40
The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.

1 Corinthians 2:6
Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:

2 Corinthians 13:11
Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you.

Philippians 3:15
Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

Colossians 1:28
Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

Colossians 4:12
Epaphras, who is one of you, a servant of Christ, saluteth you, always labouring fervently for you in prayers, that ye may stand perfect and complete in all the will of God.

1 Thessalonians 3:10
Night and day praying exceedingly that we might see your face, and might perfect that which is lacking in your faith?

2 Timothy 3:17
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

if not. then in Gods eyes you are still evil.

I have been washed by the Blood of the Lamb.

That's being washed clean in God's eyes. You should look in to getting cleansed!

It is dangerous to tell yourself you have arrived and you have made it. Its why you judge others. because you know deep inside your just as unworthy as they are. but you are to proud to admit it

Repeating what God says in His Word is always a problem for them who are ignorant of what God says in His Word.

I tried it 45 years ago. It is great. But it is only when I got proud and thought I was better than I was. that my walk with God stumbled..

So you should REPENT of your sins and get back in right standing with the Lord!

You should try humility.. you may see God more than you ever have before

1 Peter 5:6
Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:

Jesus is God's Word, Who is the "mighty hand of God" so living under God's Word being led by the Holy Spirit having died to self is being humble.

You should check it out, after you REPENT of your sins and get back in right standing with the Lord!

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Did you see what God's Word said about that???

Matthew 5:48
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Yes.. He told the pharisees. if you want to earn your way to heaven, this is what you must do.. the law says this, and by it you think you are perfect. But I tell you..

Luke 6:40
The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.

1 Corinthians 2:6
Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:

2 Corinthians 13:11
Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you.

Philippians 3:15
Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

Colossians 1:28
Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

Colossians 4:12
Epaphras, who is one of you, a servant of Christ, saluteth you, always labouring fervently for you in prayers, that ye may stand perfect and complete in all the will of God.

1 Thessalonians 3:10
Night and day praying exceedingly that we might see your face, and might perfect that which is lacking in your faith?

2 Timothy 3:17
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Ahh so you think you are sinless.

well that answers it all.. there is no help for you. You have not yet repented. I will pray for you

I have been washed by the Blood of the Lamb.

That's being washed clean in God's eyes. You should look in to getting cleansed!

Yes. But unless your sinless. You still require grace. and would be sent to hell because of this sins if it were not because of grace

Repeating what God says in His Word is always a problem for them who are ignorant of what God says in His Word.

I am not ignorant of anything my friend.. You may know what the word says. but your knowl3dge of what God means is severely lackin.. You would crucify christ like the jews did.. because you do not think you need him

So you should REPENT of your sins and get back in right standing with the Lord!

Actually God put my sins as far as the east is from the rest. I acknowledge my sins to him, when i come to the throne of grace. i repented of my sins 40 years ago

1 Peter 5:6
Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:

Jesus is God's Word, Who is the "mighty hand of God" so living under God's Word being led by the Holy Spirit having died to self is being humble.

You should check it out, after you REPENT of your sins and get back in right standing with the Lord!

When will you humble yourself? Your pride is still way to deep to make anyone think you even know who God is.. let alone his salvation

 

[UnoiAmarah]

The Comforter is the Holy Ghost.

Then you know that the Holy Ghost is the Spirit of truth? The Holy Ghost is not the holy spirit. The Holy Spirit, if you will, is the breath of life that the Holy Ghost breathed into your nostrils; the Holy Ghost is the LORD, thy God, the King Eternal- I wonder if you know him.

I will share with you this, that the eternal One that has life himself, had given to his only begotten Son to have life in himself as written in the Gospel, "For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;*" and in the beginning the Word was divided from the Light and the two Spirits became the Elohim that created the expanse of heaven and body of space called earth.

Two becoming one? maybe that sounds familiar to you, yet if you don't believe me, "Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." So yeah, the Holy Ghost is the Comforter.

*John 5:26

 

[UnoiAmarah]

Yes.. He told the pharisees. if you want to earn your way to heaven, this is what you must do.. the law says this, and by it you think you are perfect. But I tell you..

When Jesus said "Be ye ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." he was speaking to his disciples.
(See Matt 5:1)

are you perfect? if not. then in Gods eyes you are still evil.

So are you evil?