Revolution in Iran

[HeIsHere]

Eschatology isn't that important. Both sides making claims like these. Its ridicilous, whether you believe partial-preterist or futurist has no bearing on your salvation. You are saved by Christ's blood and grace through faith not a belief in some eschatological model

Firstly, for you it is very important, because it causes people to make horrific, uniformed statements like this....

What genocide? Israel has a growing arab population with their own anti-israel political party.

The so called Palestinian (arab) population is increasing, not decreasing. Worst genocide ever

Secondly, it is impossible to understand/rightly divide scripture correctly unless one has the correct prophetic lens.

Thirdly, dispenstionalism has been drawing the lifeblood out of the church, making it impotent and with very little credibility with all its date setting support of war, death.... a complete contradiction to what Christ Jesus taught.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

I"m not aware of any denial on my part.

I don't think you understand the subject the more it's discussed.

 

[HeIsHere]

They received the promise

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation. Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. Acts 2:38-41​

Just because not all believed doesn't mean that God failed in keeping his promise to Israel

Not, however, that GOD's Word has failed, for not all those of Israel are Israel, Romans 9:6​

I am spending some time relearning what I left behind almost 20 years ago (the real praise Jesus!!!)
I really shocked I believed this nonsense, of course being a new believer and most churches steeped in this nonsense it was easy to be inculcated.

I see now why they constantly go back to the OT .. the NT is a parenthesis in the coming fulfillment of the OT, I see why they have no problem with war, death and destruction as though God is still working to bring His Messiah into the world.

In March it was seeming as though dispensationalisim was going to get us all killed.
https://baptistnews.com/article/dispensationalism-is-going-to-get-us-all-killed/

Quote: When a theology claims the church is a “parenthesis” and that the “real” work of God involves a return to Old Testament-style temple sacrifices, it is not conservative or biblical. It is a Christological and ecclesiological heresy."

The thing is "they" knew time was short so they had to invade Iran to try to spark this fake eschatology but it is almost laughable because the all powerful "they" are failing miserably and as @Charlesiii has stated believers and non believers alike can see it for what it is .. Fake.

 

[cv5]

Well if you deal with the text honestly the apostles clearly asked about the events that surrounded the destruction of the temple not when the millennial reign occurs.

As Jesus was leaving the temple, one of his disciples said to him, “Look, Teacher! What massive stones! What magnificent buildings!”

“Do you see all these great buildings?” replied Jesus. “Not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.”

As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter, James, John and Andrew asked him privately, “Tell us, when will these things happen? And what will be the sign that they are all about to be fulfilled?”
Mark 13:1-4

That is in no way a sound exigetical treatment that proves much of anything.
Sorry fake sorry.

 

[HeIsHere]

That is in no way a sound exigetical treatment that proves much of anything.
Sorry fake sorry.

Translation: I need to deny those words because they do not fit dispensational system.

 

[cv5]

I am spending some time relearning what I left behind almost 20 years ago (the real praise Jesus!!!)
I really shocked I believed this nonsense, of course being a new believer and most churches steeped in this nonsense it was easy to be inculcated.

I see now why they constantly go back to the OT .. the NT is a parenthesis in the coming fulfillment of the OT, I see why they have no problem with war, death and destruction as though God is still working to bring His Messiah into the world.

In March it was seeming as though dispensationalisim was going to get us all killed.
https://baptistnews.com/article/dispensationalism-is-going-to-get-us-all-killed/

Quote: When a theology claims the church is a “parenthesis” and that the “real” work of God involves a return to Old Testament-style temple sacrifices, it is not conservative or biblical. It is a Christological and ecclesiological heresy."

The thing is "they" knew time was short so they had to invade Iran to try to spark this fake eschatology but it is almost laughable because the all powerful "they" are failing miserably and as @Charlesiii has stated believers and non believers alike can see it for what it is .. Fake.

You sound confused. Again.
Here let me help you.

There is indeed a parenthesis. It is by means of this "pause" that the Father chooses a gentile Bride for the Son.
This Bride of course being the Betrothed (MARRIAGE NOT YET CONSUMMATED) virgin Church.
Not divorced, not rejected........betrothed.

This phenomenon being personified by Ruth, Asenath and many other exemplars.
Furthermore the OT is filled with passages declaring that the gentiles will be saved.....incidentally.

And then of course Jesus the Kinsman Redeemer turns His attention once again to the WIFE OF YHVH.
To redeem them. Like Naomi. And Gomer. And many other exemplars.

Act 1:6
When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

Isa 49:5
And now, saith the LORD that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the LORD, and my God shall be my strength.

Isa 49:6
And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

 

[cv5]

Translation: I need to deny those words because they do not fit dispensational system.

Not so. You have provided zero proof that the tribulation was finished in 70AD.
Nor that the millennial reign has begun.

Frankly your position is beyond absurd and infantile. Its utterly preposterous.
And disproven effortlessly.

Mat 24:29
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Mat 24:30
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Luk 13:35
Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

 

[cv5]

I am spending some time relearning what I left behind almost 20 years ago (the real praise Jesus!!!)
I really shocked I believed this nonsense, of course being a new believer and most churches steeped in this nonsense it was easy to be inculcated.

I see now why they constantly go back to the OT .. the NT is a parenthesis in the coming fulfillment of the OT, I see why they have no problem with war, death and destruction as though God is still working to bring His Messiah into the world.

In March it was seeming as though dispensationalisim was going to get us all killed.
https://baptistnews.com/article/dispensationalism-is-going-to-get-us-all-killed/

Quote: When a theology claims the church is a “parenthesis” and that the “real” work of God involves a return to Old Testament-style temple sacrifices, it is not conservative or biblical. It is a Christological and ecclesiological heresy."

The thing is "they" knew time was short so they had to invade Iran to try to spark this fake eschatology but it is almost laughable because the all powerful "they" are failing miserably and as @Charlesiii has stated believers and non believers alike can see it for what it is .. Fake.

Israelites RIGHT NOW, TODAY, are in the land of Israel. And every political entity on the planet is obsessed with this remarkable development.

And yet you say that this is somehow......fake eschatology?

I think not. Rather, I think that replacement theology is the fake and fraud.

Zec 12:2
Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.

Zec 12:3
And in that day (eschatological day yet future) will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

I see now why they constantly go back to the OT .. the NT is a parenthesis in the coming fulfillment of the OT, I see why they have no problem with war, death and destruction as though God is still working to bring His Messiah into the world.

The church parentheses is just a Christian cloak on the doctrine of the pharisees.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

 

[HeIsHere]

The church parentheses is just a Christian cloak on the doctrine of the pharisees.

Yes agree, good point.

 

[TruthDefender]

I am spending some time relearning what I left behind almost 20 years ago (the real praise Jesus!!!)
I really shocked I believed this nonsense, of course being a new believer and most churches steeped in this nonsense it was easy to be inculcated.

I see now why they constantly go back to the OT .. the NT is a parenthesis in the coming fulfillment of the OT, I see why they have no problem with war, death and destruction as though God is still working to bring His Messiah into the world.

In March it was seeming as though dispensationalisim was going to get us all killed.
https://baptistnews.com/article/dispensationalism-is-going-to-get-us-all-killed/

Quote: When a theology claims the church is a “parenthesis” and that the “real” work of God involves a return to Old Testament-style temple sacrifices, it is not conservative or biblical. It is a Christological and ecclesiological heresy."

The thing is "they" knew time was short so they had to invade Iran to try to spark this fake eschatology but it is almost laughable because the all powerful "they" are failing miserably and as @Charlesiii has stated believers and non believers alike can see it for what it is .. Fake.

The whole thing is so bizarre! The OT has been fulfilled in Jesus. One has to really twist Scripture, to think otherwise.

 

[HeIsHere]

The whole thing is so bizarre! The OT has been fulfilled in Jesus. One has to really twist Scripture, to think otherwise.

Agree whole heartedly.

 

[cv5]

The church parentheses is just a Christian cloak on the doctrine of the pharisees.

This "doctrine of the pharisees" catchphrase is just a red herring meant to mislead or distract the audience while dodging a difficult question or shift the topic.

If you are stupid, heedless, or just do not care to know, it can prove quite effective.

 

[cv5]

The whole thing is so bizarre! The OT has been fulfilled in Jesus. One has to really twist Scripture, to think otherwise.

Not the stuff that has yet to occur. Including the redemption of the wife of YHVH, the Second Coming and the millenial reign.

[Isa 65:17-25 KJV]
17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever [in that] which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.

19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.

20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner [being] an hundred years old shall be accursed.

21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit [them]; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.

22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree [are] the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.

23 They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they [are] the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.

24 And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.

25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust [shall be] the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.

 

[TruthDefender]

Not the stuff that has yet to occur. Including the redemption of the wife of YHVH, the Second Coming and the millenial reign.

[Isa 65:17-25 KJV]
17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever [in that] which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.

19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.

20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner [being] an hundred years old shall be accursed.

21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit [them]; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.

22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree [are] the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.

23 They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they [are] the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.

24 And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.

25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust [shall be] the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.

Yada, yada…none of which you seem to understand.

 

[Slimsumo]

Firstly, for you it is very important, because it causes people to make horrific, uniformed statements like this....



Secondly, it is impossible to understand/rightly divide scripture correctly unless one has the correct prophetic lens.

Thirdly, dispenstionalism has been drawing the lifeblood out of the church, making it impotent and with very little credibility with all its date setting support of war, death.... a complete contradiction to what Christ Jesus taught.

I'm not dispensational and I stand behind my statement. I hold no political office, me supporting Israel or Palestine accomplishes nothing. I don't donate to any cause plus I agree eschatology is IMPORTANT, as is everything, but you're not gonna go to hell for believing at the second coming many jews will get saved. That is what I believe, where is the sin?

If I believed the resurrection has already happened, then that would be a sin.

If AD70 was the tribulation and the millennium already started, who was the beast the martyrs in Rev 20:4 avoided?

 

[cv5]

Yada, yada…none of which you seem to understand.

Oh I am quite sure that the board thinks otherwise.
And BTW, snarks and dismissive retorts will make you the loser in any and every debate.

 

[TruthDefender]

Oh I am quite sure that the board thinks otherwise.
And BTW, snarks and dismissive retorts will make you the loser in any and every debate.

Again, you’re not understanding the amount of verses that you’re dishing out. Anybody can grab a few verses, and those verses really don’t relate to the discussion.

This is all I meant. Yah, ok?

 

[cv5]

war, death.... a complete contradiction to what Christ Jesus taught.

PLEASE get a grip on actual Biblical reality.
You are drifting aimlessly in some kind of religious fantasy of your own making.
And NO, Christians do not want any of this. Our earnest desire is for the redemption.

Rom 8:22
For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

Rom 8:23
And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

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Mar 13:7
“But when you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be troubled; for such things must happen, but the end is not yet.

Mat 24:6
And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

Mat 24:7
For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

Mat 24:8
All these are the beginning of sorrows.

Mat 24:9
Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

Mat 24:14
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; (IN PROCESS TO THIS PRESENT DAY) and then shall the end come.

Mat 24:21
For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.