He has for my entire life, because I have always believed the true Gospel.
May God lead you to be willing to do the same/repent of being a dim bulb.
Reconciled to God while enemies !
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He has for my entire life, because I have always believed the true Gospel.
May God lead you to be willing to do the same/repent of being a dim bulb.
But you have never said what part of what I believe you think I should repent of:
- There is a/one all-loving and just Lord or God (DT 6:4, JN 3:16, 2THS 1:6), who is both able (2TM 1:12) and willing (1TM 2:3-4, EZK 33:11) to provide all morally accountable human beings salvation or heaven—a wonderful life full of love, joy and peace forever.
- Human beings are selfish or sinful (RM 3:23, 2TM 3:2-4, CL 3:5), miserable (GL 5:19-21), and hopeless (EPH 2:12) or hell-bound at the judgment (MT 23:33 & 25:46) when they reject God’s salvation (JN 3:18, RM 2:5-11).
- Jesus is God’s Messiah/Christ and incarnate Son, the way that God has chosen (JN 3:16, ACTS 16:30-31, PHP 2:9-11) of providing salvation by means of his atoning death on the cross for the payment of the penalty for the sins of humanity (RM 3:22-25 & 5:9-11), followed by his resurrection to reign in heaven (1CR 15:14-28).
- Thus, every person who hears the NT Gospel needs to repent and accept God’s justification in Jesus as Christ/Messiah the Lord or Supreme Commander (LK 2:11, JN 14:6, ACTS 16:31), which means trying to obey His commandment to love one another (MT 22:37-40, JN 13:35, RM 13:9)—forever (MT 10:22, PS 113:2).
- Then God’s Holy Spirit will establish a saving relationship with those who freely accept Him (RV 3:20) that will eventually achieve heaven when by means of persevering in learning Truth/God’s Word/sanctification everyone cooperates fully with His will (JN 14:6, 17&26, RM 8:6-17, GL 6:7-9, EPH 1:13-14, HB 10:36, 12:1, JM 1:2-4).
This response indicates that you do not believe the Gospel I shared
and you have no interest in discussing it, so I guess we are done.
I suspect we are still looping, but because you replied with 2Cor. 5:19 again I will point out once more that this should be read in connection with Rom. 3:21-5:1, which informs us that sinners are reckoned as righteous or justified because of faith IN Christ's atonement. Paul uses the phrase "in Christ" to signify saving faith also in 2Cor. 2:19 and several times in Eph. 1:3-14.
Reconciled by His Death !
Everyone the Lord Jesus Christ died for was first and foremost or primarily reconciled to God objectively / legally . This did also occur when they themselves were sinners, ungodly, and without strength Rom 5:6-8
6 For when we [The Elect] were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we[God's Elect Rom 8:33-34] were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
For those scriptures have pointed out Christ's Death for those He died on the behalf of Rom 5:8 !
And so while or when ungodly sinners, Christ hath died for them or us, and by that Death, He did reconcile them unto God as plainly stated in Rom 5:10, now the word reconciled is the aorist passive indicative of katallassó which means legal and objective reconciliation is a finished work in the behalf of [benefit of] of those Christ did die for, while they are being in a ungodly and sinful condition Rom 5:6-8; and hath been reconciled [legally] by His Death alone, and so are they by the same death or blood Justified legally Rom 5:9. This is the word dikaioo and its an aorist passive participle denoting Just as when the elect were being enemies and ungodly sinners, Christ died for them, and by that death or blood passively reconciled them to God, so likewise, by that same death and blood referred to in Rom 5:9, passively and legally Justified them [made righteous] while being ungodly Rom 4:5.
The sinful condition of the Elect, those Christ died for, does not cancel out the legal benefits, the objective blessings of the blood of Christ, and so for this cause it is gross error to teach that the unbelieving elect vessels of mercy are ever in a legal state of condemnation by God as those who who believe not are in here Jn 3:18
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
To say that is false teaching ! 2
Everyone the Lord Jesus Christ died for was first and foremost or primarily reconciled to God objectively / legally . This did also occur when they themselves were sinners, ungodly, and without strength Rom 5:6-8
6 For when we [The Elect] were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we[God's Elect Rom 8:33-34] were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
For those scriptures have pointed out Christ's Death for those He died on the behalf of Rom 5:8 !
And so while or when ungodly sinners, Christ hath died for them or us, and by that Death, He did reconcile them unto God as plainly stated in Rom 5:10, now the word reconciled is the aorist passive indicative of katallassó which means legal and objective reconciliation is a finished work in the behalf of [benefit of] of those Christ did die for, while they are being in a ungodly and sinful condition Rom 5:6-8; and hath been reconciled [legally] by His Death alone, and so are they by the same death or blood Justified legally Rom 5:9. This is the word dikaioo and its an aorist passive participle denoting Just as when the elect were being enemies and ungodly sinners, Christ died for them, and by that death or blood passively reconciled them to God, so likewise, by that same death and blood referred to in Rom 5:9, passively and legally Justified them [made righteous] while being ungodly Rom 4:5.
The sinful condition of the Elect, those Christ died for, does not cancel out the legal benefits, the objective blessings of the blood of Christ, and so for this cause it is gross error to teach that the unbelieving elect vessels of mercy are ever in a legal state of condemnation by God as those who who believe not are in here Jn 3:18
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
To say that is false teaching ! 2
Preaching Reconciliation !
Reconciliation in both Rom 5:10 ; 2 Cor 5:18-19 is objective or legal , it primarily consists of two things, the non imputation, and by the death of Christ, the satisfaction of God's Law, which also is the propitiation Heb 2:17
17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people
Reconciliation here is the greek word hilaskomai and means:
to be propitious, make propitiation for
I have mercy on, show favor to, (b) trans. with object of sins: I forgive, pardon.
This reconciliation is whereby God through Christ's Blood or Death hath reconciled sinful men [ the elect or the people] unto Himself ! Now because of Christ's Blood, God's anger and wrath has been laid aside and the sinner for whom He died [sinfulness and all] has God received into His Favor, for the word reconciled means:
to receive one into favour
Therefore, all for whom Christ died, regardless of their spiritual condition by nature, God accepts them and looks at them with favor and mercy, and frees them from any condemnation and or wrath !
Reconciliation in both Rom 5:10 ; 2 Cor 5:18-19 is objective or legal , it primarily consists of two things, the non imputation, and by the death of Christ, the satisfaction of God's Law, which also is the propitiation Heb 2:17
17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people
Reconciliation here is the greek word hilaskomai and means:
to be propitious, make propitiation for
I have mercy on, show favor to, (b) trans. with object of sins: I forgive, pardon.
This reconciliation is whereby God through Christ's Blood or Death hath reconciled sinful men [ the elect or the people] unto Himself ! Now because of Christ's Blood, God's anger and wrath has been laid aside and the sinner for whom He died [sinfulness and all] has God received into His Favor, for the word reconciled means:
to receive one into favour
Therefore, all for whom Christ died, regardless of their spiritual condition by nature, God accepts them and looks at them with favor and mercy, and frees them from any condemnation and or wrath !
Preaching Reconciliation ! cont
Something to know about legal and objective reconciliation of the Elect, and that is this, that all the Elect while being enemies to Christ and God, are nevertheless legally still reconciled, received into God's Favor up until they are born again by the Spirit, or saved by Christ's Life Rom 5:10b. This means, but I do not teach it from scripture, but it does mean if an elect person were to die before new birth, that they would still be saved from the penalty of their sins, by the blood of Christ, that they would die objectively and legally reconciled into God's Favor by Christ's Death alone ! All of the sin and enmity the Elect by Nature have against God,while they are yet unconverted , and alienated from the life of God, and yes unbelievers, all that has been satisfied for by the blood of Christ ! In fact legal and objective reconciliation by Christ's Death Alone is that Propitiation John writes of in 1 Jn 2:2 !
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
Propitiation:
akin to hileos ("merciful, propitious"), signifies "an expiation, a means whereby sin is covered and remitted."
The whole world of 1 Jn 2:2 is a world that has all of its sins remitted or covered. Like David said about the blessed Man Ps 32:1
Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven or remitted, whose sin is covered.
Thats the blessing of Legal Reconciliation/ Propitiation ! 2
Something to know about legal and objective reconciliation of the Elect, and that is this, that all the Elect while being enemies to Christ and God, are nevertheless legally still reconciled, received into God's Favor up until they are born again by the Spirit, or saved by Christ's Life Rom 5:10b. This means, but I do not teach it from scripture, but it does mean if an elect person were to die before new birth, that they would still be saved from the penalty of their sins, by the blood of Christ, that they would die objectively and legally reconciled into God's Favor by Christ's Death alone ! All of the sin and enmity the Elect by Nature have against God,while they are yet unconverted , and alienated from the life of God, and yes unbelievers, all that has been satisfied for by the blood of Christ ! In fact legal and objective reconciliation by Christ's Death Alone is that Propitiation John writes of in 1 Jn 2:2 !
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
Propitiation:
akin to hileos ("merciful, propitious"), signifies "an expiation, a means whereby sin is covered and remitted."
The whole world of 1 Jn 2:2 is a world that has all of its sins remitted or covered. Like David said about the blessed Man Ps 32:1
Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven or remitted, whose sin is covered.
Thats the blessing of Legal Reconciliation/ Propitiation ! 2
Reconciliation is not a legal matter. Reconciliation doesn't take place until both parties reconcile with each other.
Guilt is absolutely real, but reconciliation with God rests on forgiveness, not on human restitution. Restitution belongs to a transactional world where the offender must “pay back” what was lost. But in the gospel, sinners cannot repay God; the debt is unpayable. Instead, reconciliation flows from God’s forgiving character—His willingness to release the debt rather than demand repayment. That is why Scripture consistently ties reconciliation to God’s mercy, not to human compensation: “He forgave us all our trespasses,” not “He collected what was owed.” Forgiveness removes the barrier of guilt so that relationship can be restored, and only God can perform that act. The point is simple but profound: reconciliation is not achieved by sinners making things right, but by God choosing to forgive, embrace, and restore those who cannot repair the damage themselves.
Reconciliation and forgiveness are legal, when someone Christ died for is born into this world as sinners, they are born reconciled to God and forgiven of all their sins. You know very little about salvation through Christ.
