“How are the things forbidden by the Lord God applied in today’s generation?”

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I know what Paul taught, he taught we are to obey, the Torah is Holy Just and Good --- this grace thing is a lie
He didn;t say we are to oney the Torah. He said that by the Holy Spirit in us we are to obey Christ and His gospel, which supercede the Torah as God’s preferred means of becoming righteous.
 
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He didn;t say we are to oney the Torah. He said that by the Holy Spirit in us we are to obey Christ and His gospel, which supercede the Torah as God’s preferred means of becoming righteous.
Paul, what is Jesus Christ telling His disciples to do here in Matthew?

Matthew 23
1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,

2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:

3 "All " therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, [that] observe and do;
but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay [them] on men's shoulders; but they [themselves] will not move them with one of their fingers.

the Pharisees ruled the Jews using the Torah, they just did not obey it themselves.
they used the Torah to murder Christ, but they lied doing so.
They needed two witnesses, the Torah requires two witnesses before Christ could be put to death.

I do not see how this can be twisted -- but I am sure it has been

I doubt this is ever used in sermons, if so I would love to see what is said.

here is the GWT

1Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples,
2"The scribes and the Pharisees teach with Moses' authority.
3So be careful to do everything they tell you. But don't follow their example, because they don't practice what they preach
 
God emphasizes that His words are spiritual, which is why He said that He speaks in parables or a dark saying.
PSALMS 78:2
2 I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old:

EZEKIEL 20:49

49 Then said I, Ah Lord God! they say of me, Doth he not speak parables?
If God speaks in parables or dark sayings, what are the animals He referred to that can be eaten and cannot be eaten?
DEUTORONOMY 14:6-8
6 And every beast that parteth the hoof, and cleaveth the cleft into two claws, and cheweth the cud among the beasts, that ye shall eat.
7 Nevertheless these ye shall not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the cloven hoof; as the camel, and the hare, and the coney: for they chew the cud, but divide not the hoof; therefore they are unclean unto you.
8 And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcase.

Because my knowledge of the Lord Jesus is a revelation from God (Matt 16:15-17), I only wait on Him and ask Him to reveal the truth.

In asking the Lord God what He would reveal about animals that are forbidden and not forbidden to eat, I was led to read about those who will be judged by the Lord Jesus.
The Lord Jesus will never judge literal sheep and goats, but rather He will judge people.
MATTHEW 25:31-33
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

Therefore, the animals mentioned in Deuteronomy 14:6–8 are not literal animals, but they represent people.
 
Because my knowledge of the Lord Jesus is a revelation from God (Matt 16:15-17), I only wait on Him and ask Him to reveal the truth.

In asking the Lord God what He would reveal about animals that are forbidden and not forbidden to eat, I was led to read about those who will be judged by the Lord Jesus.
The Lord Jesus will never judge literal sheep and goats, but rather He will judge people.
MATTHEW 25:31-33
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

Therefore, the animals mentioned in Deuteronomy 14:6–8 are not literal animals, but they represent people.
You are choosing to be deceived because you reject what Jesus has already revealed.
 
The lie is the codswollop you have swallowed whole. You have rejected Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross as irrelevant.


Dino why do you suppose Christ preached Repent from your sins, stop sinning? as did Peter
His sacrifice covers YOUR sins and mine
His death did not end the Law which He stated twice HE did not come to end>

this is why the time of the End is upon us. sin, unrepented sin!
 
I know what Paul taught, he taught we are to obey, the Torah is Holy Just and Good --- this grace thing is a lie
Ephesians 2

4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
 
Ephesians 2

4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.


wonderful words,, have you read any others??
 
Dino why do you suppose Christ preached Repent from your sins, stop sinning? as did Peter
His sacrifice covers YOUR sins and mine
His death did not end the Law which He stated twice HE did not come to end>
Jesus stated the He did not come to abolish the Law. Hebrews tells us that the Law is obsolete. Romans tells us that Christians are not under the Law. Galatians tells us that reliance on following the Law is not trusting in Jesus.

Apparently you have chosen to believe a false gospel.

this is why the time of the End is upon us. sin, unrepented sin!
The “time of the end” was the couple of decades leading up to 70 AD.
 
Paul, what is Jesus Christ telling His disciples to do here in Matthew?

Matthew 23
1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,

2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:

3 "All " therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, [that] observe and do;
but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay [them] on men's shoulders; but they [themselves] will not move them with one of their fingers.

the Pharisees ruled the Jews using the Torah, they just did not obey it themselves.
they used the Torah to murder Christ, but they lied doing so.
They needed two witnesses, the Torah requires two witnesses before Christ could be put to death.

I do not see how this can be twisted -- but I am sure it has been

I doubt this is ever used in sermons, if so I would love to see what is said.

here is the GWT

1Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples,
2"The scribes and the Pharisees teach with Moses' authority.
3So be careful to do everything they tell you. But don't follow their example, because they don't practice what they preach
Jesus was speaking to Jews before the New Covenant in His blood had been ratified and when the Torah was still in force for the Jews, so of course He is going to tell them they should be keeping the Torah. But he gave a new set of laws in the Sermon on the Mount, where He rescinded several Torah laws as they were being interpreted by the religious leaders.

Mat 5:27
Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
Mat 5:28
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her alreadyin his heart.

Mat 5:31
It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:
Mat 5:32
But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth herto commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

Mat 5:33
Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt performunto the Lord thine oaths:
Mat 5:34
But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne

Mat 5:38
Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
Mat 5:39
But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the otheralso.

Mat 5:43
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
at 5:44
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray forthem which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Context matters.
 
You are choosing to be deceived because you reject what Jesus has already revealed.
You are choosing to be deceived because you reject what Jesus has already revealed.

Anyone who regards himself as higher than his fellow human being is not of God.

A person should never say to another person that he is being deceived. For when he says this, it is as though he regards himself as being superior to the one he is speaking to. This is not what the Lord Jesus taught His chosen ones.

Observe these two people who are praying to God. Which of them is from God, and which one is not from God?
LUKE 18:10-14
10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

How can you say that your fellow person is being deceived? Are you certain that you yourself are not being deceived in your current state?

Are you certain that you are not included among those whom the Lord Jesus is speaking about?
ROMANS 3:10-12
10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

If you say that you are not among those whom the Lord Jesus is referring to, then you are in a pitiful state.
You are like the Pharisee who prayed while exalting himself.
But those who acknowledge that they are among those whom the Lord Jesus refers to are like the tax collector who humbly begs for God’s mercy.

Thus, even if I do not know you personally, God has already exposed through your words that you are not from God.
PROVERBS 12:13
13 The wicked is snared by the transgression of his lips: but the just shall come out of trouble.

If your condition is pitiful, then those who believe and place their trust in you are even more pitiful. This is solely in reference to God and His words.
 
Anyone who regards himself as higher than his fellow human being is not of God.

A person should never say to another person that he is being deceived. For when he says this, it is as though he regards himself as being superior to the one he is speaking to. This is not what the Lord Jesus taught His chosen ones.
You just keep making things up. It’s laughable. You have deceived yourself because you refuse sound instruction.
 
Because my knowledge of the Lord Jesus is a revelation from God (Matt 16:15-17), I only wait on Him and ask Him to reveal the truth.

In asking the Lord God what He would reveal about animals that are forbidden and not forbidden to eat, I was led to read about those who will be judged by the Lord Jesus.
The Lord Jesus will never judge literal sheep and goats, but rather He will judge people.
MATTHEW 25:31-33
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

Therefore, the animals mentioned in Deuteronomy 14:6–8 are not literal animals, but they represent people.

If the Lord God is speaking about human beings rather than literal animals, why do His descriptions of them correspond to the actual traits of animals? What might the Lord God be expressing through this?
DEUTORONOMY 14:6-8
6 And every beast that parteth the hoof, and cleaveth the cleft into two claws, and cheweth the cud among the beasts, that ye shall eat.
7 Nevertheless these ye shall not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the cloven hoof; as the camel, and the hare, and the coney: for they chew the cud, but divide not the hoof; therefore they are unclean unto you.
8 And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcase.

Unless we ask for mercy so that the Lord God may reveal its meaning, we will not come to know the truth. Indeed, human knowledge has no place in the truth of God’s words, for only the Lord God can reveal the truth through His word.

And to ask for God’s mercy is to humble oneself before His presence.
 
You just keep making things up. It’s laughable. You have deceived yourself because you refuse sound instruction.

The word of God will never pass away” (Matthew 24:35).
In the time of the Lord Jesus, people also mocked the truth (John 14:16). So your laughter at the truth is nothing new it was already done by the Jews. Because there is no humility in them.
LUKE 8:51-53
51 And when he came into the house, he suffered no man to go in, save Peter, and James, and John, and the father and the mother of the maiden.
52 And all wept, and bewailed her: but he said, Weep not; she is not dead, but sleepeth.
53 And they laughed him to scorn, knowing that she was dead.
 
Ok A king can't act as a priest He will be punished By God. Today Jesus glorified Anointing How own Kings And priest

Hear for yourself Palm 110 or nt
Hebrews 7:21 (KJV)
"(For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec:)
 
That is not true about Paul.
1Co 6:9-10
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived:neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Gal 5:21
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, asI have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
I completely agree with you Paul was telling it how it is. However he also finishes by saying that some of you did those very things, but God has changed your heart. With few exceptions I committed them myself, but when I was found by Jesus he forgave me and I gradually changed.
 
I completely agree with you Paul was telling it how it is. However he also finishes by saying that some of you did those very things, but God has changed your heart. With few exceptions I committed them myself, but when I was found by Jesus he forgave me and I gradually changed.
Certainly, there is the opportunity and ability to change one's disqualifying behaviours, so that one is no longer disqualified. God is gracious, long-suffering, merciful and good.
 
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If the Lord God is speaking about human beings rather than literal animals, why do His descriptions of them correspond to the actual traits of animals? What might the Lord God be expressing through this?
DEUTORONOMY 14:6-8
6 And every beast that parteth the hoof, and cleaveth the cleft into two claws, and cheweth the cud among the beasts, that ye shall eat.
7 Nevertheless these ye shall not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the cloven hoof; as the camel, and the hare, and the coney: for they chew the cud, but divide not the hoof; therefore they are unclean unto you.
8 And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcase.

Unless we ask for mercy so that the Lord God may reveal its meaning, we will not come to know the truth. Indeed, human knowledge has no place in the truth of God’s words, for only the Lord God can reveal the truth through His word.

And to ask for God’s mercy is to humble oneself before His presence.
Like the Jews, especially the Scribes and Pharisees who were not chosen by God, they possess only one life, the physical life, consisting of the senses and the soul (the mind and emotions). As a result, they are likened to animals that do not have a split hoof.

Although they claim to feed people with the Word of God, they do not actually chew it. For when the Word of God is eaten, chewed, and then swallowed, what is felt in the stomach is bitterness. It is as though the Word of God, as food, goes no further than the mouth, so that all they taste is sweetness.
Yet the words preached by many ministers are all pleasant and contain no bitterness. This is evidence that they do not chew the Word of God. They can be compared to the unclean animals that do not chew the cud.
REVELATION 10:9
9 And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.
Therefore, those who read and believe in the Holy Scriptures, although they use the Word of God but do not truly know the true God, are like unclean animals that should not be eaten or believed.
MATTHEW 16:6 & 12
6 Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.
12 Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.
For the Word of God does not pass away (Matthew 24:35). In our time, the Lord is referring to those who are regarded as knowledgeable in the Word of God and who preach it, yet do not truly know the one true God.