False teaching by separating Scripture from Scripture

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The Bible makes it clear in many passages of scripture that man is saved through belief/faith - "apart from additions or modifications." (John 1:12; 3:15,16,18,36; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26; Acts 10:43; 13:38-39; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18; Romans 1:16; 3:24-28; 4:5-6; 5:1-2; 10:4; 1 Corinthians 1:21; Galatians 2:16; 3:6-14, 26; Ephesians 2:8,9; Philippians 3:9; 2 Timothy 3:15; Hebrews 10:39; 1 John 5:13 etc..).

Now we don't need to "add" the word "alone" next to "belief/faith" in each of those passages of scripture in order to figure out that the words, "belief/faith" stand alone in connection with receiving eternal life/salvation. Hence, FAITH ALONE. Do these many passages of scripture say belief/faith "plus something else?" Plus, works? NO. So, then it's faith (rightly understood) in Jesus Christ alone.

*This is not to be confused with a bare profession of faith/dead faith that remains alone/barren of works. (James 2:14, 24)
Your inability to present even one verse to support the core belief of your Faith Alone Regeneration Theology is alarming.

Does this inability not trouble you? Why do you persist on defending a theology that is at best a supposition?

Can you not see that you are simply presenting a theoretical scenario with these verses?

The lack of a definitive in your verses shows the passages are not all-encompassing (as you insist) but general in nature.

I suggest you give your allegiance to Faith Alone Regeneration Theology another look.
 
Your inability to present even one verse to support the core belief of your Faith Alone Regeneration Theology is alarming.

Does this inability not trouble you? Why do you persist on defending a theology that is at best a supposition?

Can you not see that you are simply presenting a theoretical scenario with these verses?

The lack of a definitive in your verses shows the passages are not all-encompassing (as you insist) but general in nature.

I suggest you give your allegiance to Faith Alone Regeneration Theology another look.
I presented multiple verses. Allow me to simplify it for you. Faith is accounted for righteousness. (Romans 4:5) Not faith and works. Hence, faith alone. God mputes righteousness apart from works. (Romans 4:6) Not based on works. Hence, faith alone. This is not hard to understand. Its just hard for you to ACCEPT because you teach salvation by faith (your version of faith) AND WORKS.
 
Very true. And natural law made by God does not outlaw God from performing supernatural events, that are ungoverned by natural law.

When natural unbelievers object to supernatural events as being impossible by natural law, then they are only voicing their unbelief in anything other than the natural universe. Spiritual and suernatural events by defintion can't be proven nor explained by natural law.

Only to those whose faith and trust is in natural things alone, would declare unnatural things impossible, as though natural law rules over all things, including of the Spirit:

1Co 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

It's not that some people can't possibly understand spiritual and supernatural things, but rather that they refuse to acknowledge anything other than their own natural minds, and natural things that they can touch, see, hear...

Jhn 20:27
Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

2Co 5:7
For we walk by faith, not by sight


Faith toward God and spiritual things is by definition unproven by sight and natural understanding.

Yes, because natural laws are themselves supernatural/an ongoing miracle so dependable that we take creation for granted.
 
I presented multiple verses. Allow me to simplify it for you. Faith is accounted for righteousness. (Romans 4:5) Not faith and works. Hence, faith alone. God mputes righteousness apart from works. (Romans 4:6) Not based on works. Hence, faith alone. This is not hard to understand. Its just hard for you to ACCEPT because you teach salvation by faith (your version of faith) AND WORKS.
If I remember correctly, there are only three main schools of thought on the issue of the moment of regeneration.

Baptismal Regeneration Theology (Remission of sins at water baptism)
Faith Alone Regeneration Theology (Remission of sins at a point of faith)
Universal Regeneration Theology (Remission of sins granted to all on Judgement Day)

It is the "alone" which is the basis of your theology that you are struggling to defend.

You seem to be labeling all acts of obedience as acts of merit if the act is linked to the remission of sins?

Am I correct?
 
If I remember correctly, there are only three main schools of thought on the issue of the moment of regeneration.

Baptismal Regeneration Theology (Remission of sins at water baptism) (n)
Faith Alone Regeneration Theology (Remission of sins at a point of faith) (y)
Universal Regeneration Theology (Remission of sins granted to all on Judgement Day) (n)

It is the "alone" which is the basis of your theology that you are struggling to defend.
I see no struggle at all. We are saved the very moment that we believe in Him/believe the gospel/place our faith (belief, trust, reliance) in Jesus Christ alone for salvation. (John 3:15,16,18; Acts 10:43; 13:38-39; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18; Romans 1:16; 3:24-26; 4:5-6; 5:1; 10:4; 1 Corinthians 1:21; 15:1-4; Galatians 2:16; Ephesians 2:8,9; Philippians 3:9; 1 John 5:13 etc..). Now show me where these verses "add" acts of obedience/works to believes in Him/believe the gospel/faith in Jesus Christ which would culminate in salvation by works.
You seem to be labeling all acts of obedience as acts of merit if the act is linked to the remission of sins?

Am I correct?
Any acts of obedience/works that you link to the remission of sins and "add" to salvation through faith (including water baptism) would be acts of merit. Jesus Christ saves us through faith based on the merits of His finished work of redemption "alone" and not based on the merits of our works. His finished work of redemption is sufficient and complete to save us. ✝️ No supplements needed.
 
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Any acts of obedience/works that you link to the remission of sins and "add" to salvation through faith (including water baptism) would be acts of merit.
Why are you labeling water baptism as an act of merit?
 
Why are you labeling water baptism as an act of merit?
Because it "adds" a work to salvation through faith in Christ. That would mean Christ saves up through faith based on the merits of his finished work of redemption + our baptism.
 
I understood it that mailmandan was meaning that if water baptism is believed to be essential in order to be saved then it is a "work."
If God mandates something "to be essential in order to be saved" then no one has the right to label it as a work of merit.
 
Because it "adds" a work to salvation through faith in Christ.
Jesus ordained water baptism as the moment of the remission of sins. Who are you to tell God by what means are we receive the remission of sins?

That would mean Christ saves up through faith based on the merits of his finished work of redemption + our baptism.
It is the finished work of Jesus Christ that we have the pathway to the remission of sins.

Telling someone that water baptism is not needed for salvation is like telling the person at the door to not knock.
 
Jesus ordained water baptism as the moment of the remission of sins.
Based on your biased interpretation of Acts 2:38 but not based on the totality of scripture. The only logical and Biblical conclusion when properly harmonizing scripture with scripture is that faith in Jesus Christ "implied in repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit. (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 13:38-39; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18) *Perfect Harmony*
Who are you to tell God by what means are we receive the remission of sins?
Based on the totality of scripture, you are misrepresenting God's means of receiving remission of sins.
It is the finished work of Jesus Christ that we have the pathway to the remission of sins.
So, Christ's finished work of redemption is not sufficient to save believers? It simply provides a pathway in order for us to save ourselves?
Telling someone that water baptism is not needed for salvation is like telling the person at the door to not knock.
Telling someone that water baptism is absolutely necessary for salvation is telling the person that Christ's finished work of redemption is insufficient to save them and something more is needed.
 
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Allow me to sum it up for you. Man is saved through faith and not by works (Ephesians 2:8,9; yet genuine faith is (evidenced) by works. (James 2:14-26) 👀

*Jesus Christ saves us through faith based on the merits of His finished work of redemption "alone" and not based on the merits of our works.* (Romans 3:24-28; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9) ✝️

It is through faith "in Jesus Christ alone" (and not based on the merits of our works) that we are justified on account of Christ (Romans 4:5-6; 5:1; 5:9); yet the faith that justifies does not remain alone (unfruitful, barren) if it is genuine. (James 2:14-26) *Perfect Harmony* :)

This is better. No more faith alone justification apart from works.

Now let's clarify together:

Allow me to sum it up for you. Man is saved through faith and not by works (Ephesians 2:8,9; yet genuine faith is (evidenced) by works. (James 2:14-26) 👀

We are saved through faith, not by works of our own righteousness and sin.

Titus{3:4}
But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, Not by works of righteousness which we have done,


Faith in Christ is without works of our own righteousness. Faith in Christ is only with works of God's righteousness, and not with evil deeds.

You wouldn't say that anyone has saving faith while doing evil, correct?

You have spoken of having faith alone, and having faith in Christ alone. Will you not also preach having faith in Christ and doing good alone?
*Jesus Christ saves us through faith based on the merits of His finished work of redemption "alone" and not based on the merits of our works.* (Romans 3:24-28; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9) ✝️
Faith in Jesus' sacrifice on the cross alone, doesn't save any man. Only faith in Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection can justify a man.

And confirming again, no man is saved nor justified by his own works of righteousness and sin. Man's own works without faith in Christ has no justification with God.

Isa 64:6
But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.


You do make difference between works of man's own righteousness without Christ, vs good works by faith in Jesus Christ, correct? You're not saying all works are the same before God, whether done with faith in Christ or without?

It is through faith "in Jesus Christ alone" (and not based on the merits of our works) that we are justified on account of Christ (Romans 4:5-6; 5:1; 5:9);
Yes. Faith in Christ alone, is not faith alone in Christ.

No man can have faith alone in Christ without works, because no man can have faith in Christ without doing good.

Faith in Christ alone is believing Jesus is the only true Christ of God, and there is none other with God:

Jhn 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Jhn 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.


Having faith in Christ alone, as the only true Son of God, is never without works. Having faith without works is dead, being alone.

Jas 2:17
Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.


yet the faith that justifies does not remain alone (unfruitful, barren) if it is genuine. (James 2:14-26) *Perfect Harmony* :)
'Remain' alone? So, you are preaching a hybrid of faith alone salvation? Salvation begins with having faith alone without works, but does not continue alone without works? Salvation is not only by faith alone, but also justified by faith with works?

The problem is that faith alone is always dead, being without works. And dead faith cannot save anyone.

James{2:14}
What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?...Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.


Faith alone can never be with works, else alone is no more alone, or works is no more works...

The question at this time, is why must 'Alone' be attached to saving faith? Why not just preach the Scriptures of salvation through faith, and justification by faith in Jesus Christ?

Why must faith 'alone' be preached at all, except being dead without works? Faith alone being made alive and can save is not just modifying Scripture, but is turning God's words upside down.

Isa 5:20
Woe unto them that call evil good; that put darkness for light; that put bitter for sweet!

There is no faith alive, that has no works. Living faith is living by faith, not faith without works: The just shall live by faith.
 
Can you not see that you are simply presenting a theoretical scenario with these verses? The lack of a definitive in your verses shows the passages are not all-encompassing (as you insist) but general in nature.
I.e. Teaching taken out of context. Well done, because it says several things at once:

1. The theoretical scenario is personal interpretation without proof.

2. The doctrine lacks the definitive, in that the verses never specially say faith 'alone', but is only inserted by theoretical interpretation.

3. The verses are no 'all-encompassing', in that they do not included all verses of Scripture speaking of faith that saves.

Summary:
The verses of saving faith are limited, in order to exclude other verses, that forbid the interpretive insert of salvation by faith 'alone'. The excluded verses of course being, that faith alone is dead and cannot save.

Conclusion: False teaching by separating Scripture from Scripture, is so that other Scriptures are not allowed to prove the theoretical interpretation must be false.
 
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I presented multiple verses.
You most certainly have not.

And until you can I suggest you learn the difference between a definitive and a general statement.

IMO, I think you already know but don't care.

Your blindness to the logical hole in your theology is holding you back.
 
Can you not see that you are simply presenting a theoretical scenario with these verses?

The lack of a definitive in your verses shows the passages are not all-encompassing (as you insist) but general in nature.
Once this ditch is being dug, there's not stopping it. The doctrine of faith alone justification without works must be limited to certain verses, that exclude the other verses of justification by works of faith.

Therefore, certain verses can be limited to justification by grace alone without faith:

Rom 5:15
But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

The free gift of grace alone justifies the man. As they say about works elsewhere, I don't see anything about faith for justification.

Tit 3:4
But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.


And so, it's confirmed by several Scriptures, that justification is by grace alone without faith.

We can see the work of lying deception in separating Scripture from Scripture, in order to preach someone's own personal gospel, rather than the Gospel of Jesus Christ preached in all the Scriptures of God:

2 Peter 3:16
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.


Doctrines that wrest Scripture from Scripture are unstable and destructive.
 
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mailmandan said:
I presented multiple verses.
You most certainly have not.

And until you can I suggest you learn the difference between a definitive and a general statement. Your blindness to the logical hole in your theology is holding you back.
This is true. As you say, all of their quoted verses lack the definitive. None of the verses actually say faith 'alone'.

Normal blindness does not see what is there. The faith 'alone' ideology is the strange kind of blindness that sees what's not there:

Mat 6:23
If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!
 
If I remember correctly, there are only three main schools of thought on the issue of the moment of regeneration.

Baptismal Regeneration Theology (Remission of sins at water baptism)
Faith Alone Regeneration Theology (Remission of sins at a point of faith)
Universal Regeneration Theology (Remission of sins granted to all on Judgement Day)
You've left out the only one in Scripture: Repentance Regeneration Theology.

Mat 4:17
From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Mark{1:15}
The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Heb {6:1}
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

Acts 3:19
Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

2 Cor 7:10
For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of:


There is no believing the gospel, faith toward God, conversion, nor salvation of Jesus Christ without repentance.

Any gospel beginning with faith and conversion, and not with repentance, is a false promise to unrepented transgressors.
 
It is the "alone" which is the basis of your theology that you are struggling to defend.
Who defends anything Scripture condemns as being dead?

James{2:14}
What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?...Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being along.


Except for them whose faith is dead, being alone.

You seem to be labeling all acts of obedience as acts of merit if the act is linked to the remission of sins?
Who condemns anything Scripture justifies as honoring God?

James{2:21}
Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?...Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.


Except for them whose works do not honor God.

Faith alone justification without repentance and works, is all about justifying believers that also do evil. And condemning believers that only do good.

Isa 5:20
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
 
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You most certainly have not.

And until you can I suggest you learn the difference between a definitive and a general statement.

IMO, I think you already know but don't care.

Your blindness to the logical hole in your theology is holding you back.
I most certainly have. You need to learn how to properly harmonize scripture with scripture before reaching your conclusion on doctrine, instead of distorting and perverting passages of scripture in an effort to "patch together" your so called gospel plan..
 
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This is true. As you say, all of their quoted verses lack the definitive. None of the verses actually say faith 'alone'.

Normal blindness does not see what is there. The faith 'alone' ideology is the strange kind of blindness that sees what's not there:

Mat 6:23
If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!
Here is the blindness. 2 Corinthians 4:3 - But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
 
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