New Zealand Mountain Gains Personhood

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A Christian does not have to like all people who claim to be a Republican for they are still thieves, fornicate, commit adultery, cheat on their taxes, do drugs, love money, love material things, love worldliness, cuss, brawlers, and such things.

But they still are more moral than Democrats in general.

To claim to be a Democrat, liberal, is definitely out of the question for someone who claims to be a Christian and they cannot change the rules and if they want claim another religion and leave Christianity alone for it is not negotiable.

They blatantly support the LGBTQ+ community, transgenders, the Woke movement who steps out of the bounds of reality to exalt themselves, hateful, and mean spirited.

Support transgenders that nature testifies who they really are wanting to have any reality they want.

Influence children with sexual immorality not caring about them making their own choice all the while saying do not push your ways on us concerning the conservatives.

With one gay couple having a shirt on a baby that read gayby, and doing strip shows for children, transgenders reading to them, and such perversion to get the children to accept the Woke movement so they can make it the popular influence in society.

Who care more about immigrants than the American citizens and their country all the while loving the freedom and fleshy pleasures and money they get.

Supporting BLM who support gays and against the nuclear family and promoting communism saying there cannot be equality between white people and black people unless there is communistic rule willing to knock down all the successful black people numbering in the millions just to get at the white people.

Saying defund the police supporting Agenda 21 where they want to move all people in to the cities like a sophisticated concentration camp and the people are the police force and give them a tracking device under the skin where they can watch them and if a crime happens they will know who was in the area, their activity, and how close they were to the crime scene cutting out judges, lawyers, and the now known police force.

Which is the system of the antichrist in the Bible as his solution to have peace which 666 is 3 words chi xi stigma and stigma translates to something stuck under the skin to identify a person and a scar of service to antichrist, and no person can buy or sell without the mark for the tracking device will be scanned for that being the one world economic system.
 
I don't get into US politics because New Zealand is not a state in the US lol

If people want to argue politics I've got zero interest. Election times here are when the country comes out and votes, either for Labour or National or a minor party, and it always ends up the same. One party gets in with a majority and the other 'loses' and if its a change then they just overturn all the initiatives the other party did in the previous term. Because people are self-interested.
Even the politicians are, they are career politicians and not all care about the people, just the ones that give them the most money and votes. Everyone has an agenda.

Not everyone will like whatever party gets in. It's just the way it goes. There is no morals to any of them. And the so called Christian parties are not genuinely interested in the welfare or needs of others anyway. Its just a way to get votes on pet issues that are not relevant to most people.

I think in terms of environmental protection, this is actually in the best interests of EVERYONE in my country who comes to live here, or is born here, because this land is all we have, and its going to provide is all we need to survive, because we can't always rely on trade to see us through. And so if people want to protect a mountain because it's their ancestral home and treat it like a living entity then fair enough its ok by me. Too much land has already been fought over, destroyed or exploited and what makes New Zealand unique, is also still being destroyed or polluted, or exploited, so a lot of people are saying enough is enough.

Yes international relations is important, but what New Zealand has most going for it is how beautiful it is, and we need to appreciate it, not wreck it. It's an inherently dangerous land to live on as well. We get earthquakes and we have active volcanoes and storms so it's actually not the easiest place to live. We have plants and animals that no other places in the world have, and if we lost them they are lost forever. We learned that through massive extinctions over the past 200 years of human habitation. If they all die what is left for us. Do we want to live in a land where we can't even swim at the beach or fish in the river (for free) because its too polluted? Or where we exploit our mountains as tourist attractions were they can actually blow up and destroy us if they choose. It's only two main islands in the southern part of the Pacific ocean. But for those who live here, it's home while we are on this earth. We have family here. Why would we live anywhere else?
 
Interesting, I didn't know that about Taranaki. Saw it this last spring on a couple week trip across the North and South islands. Very beautiful place, but only got the chance to see it in passing as it was rainy that day. Two weeks in NZ was barely enough to see what we most wanted to see, and I forsee another trip in the next few years to see even more of New Zealand.
I live in Auckland and so barely get to Taranaki, I can't see it from here.
It's about a 5 hour drive..
I've been once and would like to go again and spend at least a few days maybe a week there, especially for the garden festival. Which have been aiming to go to for years!!

There is a park nearby called Pukekura in the township (New Plymouth) and is nice to explore. Many gardens. The people there are unique and a bit different from the rest of the country because they are kind of out of the way of the main highways. So we don't hear about them much in Aucks.

There is a Christian presence there, you really need to check out Parihaka. You will be surprised. Google it.
 
That began when parents complied with the status quo to go to the hospitals for births, now Cesarians, and sign the form for the SS# and BIRTH CERTIFICATE.
Yes. The birth certificate is a WAREHOUSE RECEIPT, the original of which is kept by the corporation as the founding document with which it robs you of your God-given right to the land and everything in it (i.e.. your dominion). The BIRTH CERTIFICATE, worth millions (the estimated value of your lifelong labor), is traded on the stock exchange, passed around like an endorsed check from country to country. You are mere chattel to the corporation.

Once the corporation has plundered the nation's wealth, then what's left but the labor of its slaves?

Everyone except for the family gets a financial incentive and unsuspecting parents, (except claim of # dependents), unwittingly gave the corporate State jurisdiction over the fruit of marriage.
Yes. Usually it's the mother who signed the BIRTH CERTIFICATE - not as "mother" but as "INFORMANT."

Satan has usurped authority in every institution one way or another.
This is why we are told:

Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you. And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

I don't get into US politics because New Zealand is not a state in the US lol
Doesn't matter, as this criminal enterprise is worldwide. It is run by multigenerational satanically bloodlined banking families - "people" who love money more than they love you and me.

If people want to argue politics I've got zero interest. Election times here are when the country comes out and votes, either for Labour or National or a minor party, and it always ends up the same.
Yes. And voting is unscriptural.

And so if people want to protect a mountain because it's their ancestral home and treat it like a living entity then fair enough its ok by me.
But that is not the reason why some mountain "gains personhood."

From the article ref the OP:

"A newly created entity will be "the face and voice" of the mountain, the law says, with four members from local Maori iwi, or tribes, and four members appointed by the country's Conservation Minister."
[An "entity" (dead thing) has a "face and voice" with oversight split between Maori and the corporation.]

"The mountain has long been an honored ancestor, a source of physical, cultural and spiritual sustenance and a final resting place," Paul Goldsmith, the lawmaker responsible for the settlements between the government and Maori tribes, told Parliament in a speech on Thursday."
[The pageantry, sophistry and "settlement$" solidify the alliance/scam.]

"New Zealand was the first country in the world to recognize natural features as people when a law passed in 2014 granted personhood to Te Urewera, a vast native forest on the North Island. Government ownership ceased and the tribe Tahoe became its guardian."
[Precedent-setting makes subsequent scams easier to accomplish. Also, notice the deceptive use of "ownership", "guardian" and "people."]

A major tenet of Maori spirituality is the belief in polytheism ("God is in every thing"). And a major tenet of NZ (aka "The Crown Inc.") is the corporatization/monetization of "every thing." The corporation seeks to be as gods ruling on earth (sound familiar?). So, for a season, the spirituality of the two parties shares a common master. "The Crown Inc." views Maori as useful idiots, and Maori are accepting of the handout$.

The Future: If a corporation/mountain (dead thing) has "rights," could it also claim "protections"?

Too much land has already been fought over, destroyed or exploited and what makes New Zealand unique, is also still being destroyed or polluted, or exploited, so a lot of people are saying enough is enough.
The land is the base on which we are to exercise our dominion. The corporation wants that for itself; it wants to be worshipped "like the Most High." Sound familiar? In the end game, that creature wants all the worship, all the land and its substance, and wants everyone dead. The "personhood mountain" is just another land grabbing scam.

I raised three home-birthed, unpapered daughters here. New Zealand is very Brit-ish. An isolated land mass; NWO beta test failures can be contained. Folks are trained to fob off their personal responsibility to "authorities" - known colloquially here as "Tall Poppy Syndrome."
 
yea ok whatever. That's your conspiracy point of view. lol

I can't help being born where I am.

Everyone land grabs, thats humans for you. But the land can grab the humans - it can swallow you up, spit you out, if you don't look after it, just as God has done countless times with earthquakes, and floods. Because it has been CURSED by God. We are only blessed if we actually look after it.

A mountain is NOT a dead thing. I dare you to walk on an active volcano and you can't tell me it's not alive.
 
Yes a mountain can claim protections.

Anyway am not British or Maori, as neither of them, I observe they only really get along if they fooling themselves over who's in charge.

God made the land, so actually nobody really 'owns' it.

It's just legalese to counteract all the previous legalese.
 
I wonder if the Dominionists theologists will come out of the woodwork now and start claiming it's one of the 7 mountains mandate thing of the New World Order.

Mountains, according to them, are not actual mountains.
 
Please keep in mind that It's a slippery slope down the volcano when we personify physical land masses. Ted Turner spent a lot of $ to convert a generation of children to do this and convert from Biblical Christianity to the following religions. He pushed Gaia aka Mother Nature worship on children. Nature worshippers are known for offering children to their false volcano gods. I remember cartoons used to show this as a young child. They were quite disturbing.

He tried real hard to reduce the population of the world. Now he is a personal contribution to his goal for others and entered fire and brimstone.

Psalm 37
For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth. 10For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be.


"Nature worship
(also known as earth religion or nature religion) is the broad category of spiritual systems that personify the land, natural phenomena, and the Earth itself as divine or sacred. These traditions are characterized by the belief that nature is an embodiment of divinity, often viewing the planet as a living, conscious entity.

Key traditions within this framework include:

  • Neo-Paganism and Wicca: These modern movements often personify nature through deities such as the Mother Goddess (representing the Earth and fertility) and the Horned God (representing the wild and masculinity). They celebrate the cycles of the Earth through seasonal festivals known as the "Wheel of the Year."
  • Druidry: Inspired by ancient Celtic practices, this path equates divinity with the natural world, venerating spirits in trees, rocks, and landscapes, and often performing rituals at sacred sites like stone circles.
  • Shinto: The indigenous religion of Japan fundamentally involves nature worship, where natural forces and elements are deified as kami (spirits), including those residing in mountains, rivers, and trees.
  • Pantheism and Gaianism: These philosophies often view the Earth itself, sometimes metaphorically as Gaia, as the divine unity. They emphasize the interconnectedness of all life and the sacredness of the physical planet, focusing on environmental stewardship and reverence for the biosphere.
  • Indigenous Animism: Many traditional indigenous religions across the Americas, Africa, and Asia practice animism, which posits that all living and non-living entities (plants, animals, rocks, winds) possess a spirit or soul, requiring reverence and respectful interaction."
 
Well people are always trying to control other people via religion, politics or otherwise. Nothing is new under the sun.

But interestingly, the Pacific Ring of Fire is an active volcano chain all around the Pacific Ocean.

It's like we all live in hell anyway.

It just hasn't blown up yet.
 
Also, a place in New Zealand has had the notorious appellation 'Hellhole of the Pacific'.

It was a town called Kororareka. sooo much debauchery
 
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Did you type in 'nature worship' into AI and that's what it gave you...then copy/pasted it into your post??
 
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Hippies in America gonna hip...
Didn't Ted Turner buy a whole lot of land?
He also had a lot of old movies on his 'Turner Classic Movies' channel. More Hollywood propaganda right?
I didn't know he was an elementary school teacher....
 
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Please keep in mind that It's a slippery slope down the volcano when we personify physical land masses. Ted Turner spent a lot of $ to convert a generation of children to do this and convert from Biblical Christianity to the following religions. He pushed Gaia aka Mother Nature worship on children. Nature worshippers are known for offering children to their false volcano gods. I remember cartoons used to show this as a young child. They were quite disturbing.

He tried real hard to reduce the population of the world. Now he is a personal contribution to his goal for others and entered fire and brimstone.

Psalm 37
For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth. 10For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be.


"Nature worship
(also known as earth religion or nature religion) is the broad category of spiritual systems that personify the land, natural phenomena, and the Earth itself as divine or sacred. These traditions are characterized by the belief that nature is an embodiment of divinity, often viewing the planet as a living, conscious entity.

Key traditions within this framework include:

  • Neo-Paganism and Wicca: These modern movements often personify nature through deities such as the Mother Goddess (representing the Earth and fertility) and the Horned God (representing the wild and masculinity). They celebrate the cycles of the Earth through seasonal festivals known as the "Wheel of the Year."
  • Druidry: Inspired by ancient Celtic practices, this path equates divinity with the natural world, venerating spirits in trees, rocks, and landscapes, and often performing rituals at sacred sites like stone circles.
  • Shinto: The indigenous religion of Japan fundamentally involves nature worship, where natural forces and elements are deified as kami (spirits), including those residing in mountains, rivers, and trees.
  • Pantheism and Gaianism: These philosophies often view the Earth itself, sometimes metaphorically as Gaia, as the divine unity. They emphasize the interconnectedness of all life and the sacredness of the physical planet, focusing on environmental stewardship and reverence for the biosphere.
  • Indigenous Animism: Many traditional indigenous religions across the Americas, Africa, and Asia practice animism, which posits that all living and non-living entities (plants, animals, rocks, winds) possess a spirit or soul, requiring reverence and respectful interaction."
It's a good summary and you're right but for one quibble, they already done slid down that slope that's literally exactly why they granted it personhood status.


It does in tandem with the abortion meta narrative raise an itneresting idea. Say one virgin saint full of faith were to pray the song of the stonesinger, a song to wake the heart of the mountain. Let us be believing and full of faith in our God Jesus and say further the volcano activates and erupts and kills all the wicked demonic pagans and whores that worship it and claim it is their ancestor; would the government of NZ then charge it with murder? Or as a legal person and entity, even legally their ancestor, will it be legally protected, even encouraged, to perform this igneous abortion?
 
It's a good summary and you're right but for one quibble, they already done slid down that slope that's literally exactly why they granted it personhood status.


It does in tandem with the abortion meta narrative raise an itneresting idea. Say one virgin saint full of faith were to pray the song of the stonesinger, a song to wake the heart of the mountain. Let us be believing and full of faith in our God Jesus and say further the volcano activates and erupts and kills all the wicked demonic pagans and whores that worship it and claim it is their ancestor; would the government of NZ then charge it with murder? Or as a legal person and entity, even legally their ancestor, will it be legally protected, even encouraged, to perform this igneous abortion?
(A song to sing to melt a weeping heart of stone to awaken the Lonely Mountain stir the volcano......)


According to Māori tradition, Mount Taranaki once lived in the center of the North Island with the other great volcanic peaks: Tongariro, Ruapehu, and Ngauruhoe BBC. [1, 2, 3]

The Battle for Pīhanga
  • The Love Triangle: All the male mountains were deeply in love with Pīhanga, a beautiful, bush-clad mountain nearby.
  • The Conflict: A fierce battle erupted between Taranaki and Tongariro to win her affection.
  • The Defeat: Tongariro won the battle, erupting with great force and defeating Taranaki. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

The Flight to the Coast
  • The Retreat: Heartbroken and defeated, Taranaki fled westward toward the setting sun.
  • Carving the Land: As he tore through the earth, his massive weight carved out the deep valley of the Whanganui River.
  • The Resting Place: He finally stopped at the edge of the western coast, where he stands isolated today BBC. [1, 2, 3, 4]

The Modern Connection
  • The Tears: When Taranaki is hidden by mist and rain, he is said to be weeping for his lost love, Pīhanga.
  • The Warning: Traditional lore says Taranaki will one day try to return to the center of the island.
  • The Taboo: Local iwi (tribes) historically warned people not to settle in the direct path between Taranaki and the other mountains. [1, 2, 3, 4]
Would you like to explore the history of the Whanganui River, which also has legal personhood, or look into the legal details of how a mountain "acts" as a person?
 
When granting the mountains personhood to seem nice and culturally inclusive to the wicked pagans, but the mountain, now a person legally, has a whole juicy jilted lover love triangle conflict with the other mountains......
 
yea ok whatever. That's your conspiracy point of view. lol
It's not my "conspiracy;" it's the documented facts.

I can't help being born where I am.
No problem there; each of us has a geographical place of physical nativity. But such has no connection with the previously documented crime of "personage." And those of us who remain free are those who were not "birthed" at the dock-tor as dead "persons" but born as living men/women.

A mountain is NOT a dead thing. I dare you to walk on an active volcano and you can't tell me it's not alive.
It is not alive, as per the Holy Bible.

God made the land, so actually nobody really 'owns' it.
Absolutely true, as per the Holy Bible. The perp's (perpetrators) know that and so cannot sell land; rather, they sell "real estate."

It's just legalese to counteract all the previous legalese.
Yes. But when folks have bought in on one level, they are compelled to buy in on all levels.

Please keep in mind that It's a slippery slope down the volcano when we personify physical land masses.
Indeed. It's creation worship, an abomination before the Lord.

It's a good summary and you're right but for one quibble, they already done slid down that slope that's literally exactly why they granted it personhood status.
So the believer's end remains: do not partake of that wicked thing.