Eve did not sin by eating of the tree.

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EmethAlethia

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1.) Because of Adam’s “Choice” Every man starts out spiritually dead.

2.) Eve was not Created when Adam was given the command not to eat. Gen 2:16-17, Gen. 2:21-23

3.) God says three times the command was only for Adam (Singular) not Adam and Eve. Gen 2:16-17, Gen 3:11, Gen 3:17

4.) Eve got God’s command wrong. She adds, “Nor touch it.”. Gen. 3:3

5.) Nothing happened when Eve ate. Gen. 3:6 (Satan’s statement in Gen 3:4 was not a lie. The statement about her knowing good and evil on the day she ate of it, was. It was Adam’s eating that resulted in them both gaining the knowledge of good and evil.) There is a time laps between her eating and Adam’s eating. When He ate, “Both” of their eyes were opened. Gen 3:7

6.) When God questions Eve, the question “What is this that you have done?”, it refers to Adam’s statement, made just prior, that Eve had given him the fruit. God never asks anyone whether Eve ate the fruit as well. Eve “believed”, due to receiving incorrect information about God’s command, God’s question referred to her eating, but that was not the case. Gen. 3:12-13

7.) Eve’s consequences were for failing in the role for which she was created: To be a helper suitable for him. Gen. 2:18, 1Co. 11:7 And she didn’t fail in that role till the moment she got Adam to eat from the fruit of the tree. At that moment, her eyes were opened as well.

8.) God’s word says, “Through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, so death spread to all men.”. Rom. 5:12 If Eve’s eating was a sin, it would have to say, “Through one woman sin entered into the world.”.
 
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9.) And while Eve was commanded to Obey Adam, that was a consequence of the fall. The "Exact same wording in Gen. 3:16 is only duplicated once more in the Hebrew O.T. 15 verses later in Gen. 4:7.

Pick a meaning that fits in both places.

Gen 3:16 To the woman He said, "I will greatly multiply Your pain in childbirth, In pain you will bring forth children; Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he will rule over you."

Gen 4:7 "If you do well, will not your countenance be lifted up? And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door; and its desire is for you, but you must master it."
 
1 Timothy 2:14
And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.

Sounds to me like she became a sinner the moment she believed the serpent's lie.

Just because she was not held responsible for sin entering the world, does not negate her suffering the consequences of God's word. The fact remains, she still died on the day she ate. As she was not directly given the command from God but received it from Adam, she was still obligated to obey however, she came under God's mercy for He has mercy on the ignorant. 1Tim.1:13 While she knew the command, it is obvious she didn't truly understand it for she added to it.

As you rightly say, we are born sinners because of Adam, yet who can look upon a baby and see it is a sinner? Sin likes to hide in the dark, therefore just because the sin is not obvious, doesn't mean it is not there.
 
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Actually, A&E were partners in crime (Gen. 3:6-7). The serpent contradicted God and thereby tempted A&E to commit the first sin. In Gen. 2:17, God had told Adam who told Eve they would die if they ate fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, but the serpent introduced the option of ungodliness or functional atheism, which they chose. The first or original sin was not eating physical fruit, but rather choosing not to doubt the Devil, not to believe/cooperate with God, and not asking God why the serpent contradicted what He had told them (Matt. 7:7). It is wise to question God.

A&E tried to cover up their crime, refusing to accept responsibility for their mistakes. They should have confessed immediately (1John 1:9). Instead their ungodly attitude was manifested by a chain of sins, including their silly attempt to hide from God and to blame someone else and very likely “dysfunctional” parenting that probably contributed to the emotional disturbance (anger) in Cain that resulted in the murder of Abel and so on and so forth through the millenniums, initiating humanity’s sinful history of “King of the Hill” (KOTH) strife.
 
Interesting enough, Adam was punished for listening to his wife.

Genesis
17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Ephesians 5
22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

Prophetic
Isaiah 3
12 As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.
 
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It is interesting to consider possibilities. For example, if Eve had responded;

Hath God truly said...
I can't remember exactly, let's ask him.

or

What if Adam saw what she did and asked God what could be done and he paid for her sin by (being so far sinless) being put to death and resurrected.
 
EmethAlethia said:
1.) Because of Adam’s “Choice” Every man starts out spiritually dead.

2.) Eve was not Created when Adam was given the command not to eat. Gen 2:16-17, Gen. 2:21-23

3.) God says three times the command was only for Adam (Singular) not Adam and Eve. Gen 2:16-17, Gen 3:11, Gen 3:17

4.) Eve got God’s command wrong. She adds, “Nor touch it.”. Gen. 3:3

5.) Nothing happened when Eve ate. Gen. 3:6 (Satan’s statement in Gen 3:4 was not a lie. The statement about her knowing good and evil on the day she ate of it, was. It was Adam’s eating that resulted in them both gaining the knowledge of good and evil.) There is a time laps between her eating and Adam’s eating. When He ate, “Both” of their eyes were opened. Gen 3:7

6.) When God questions Eve, the question “What is this that you have done?”, it refers to Adam’s statement, made just prior, that Eve had given him the fruit. God never asks anyone whether Eve ate the fruit as well. Eve “believed”, due to receiving incorrect information about God’s command, God’s question referred to her eating, but that was not the case. Gen. 3:12-13

7.) Eve’s consequences were for failing in the role for which she was created: To be a helper suitable for him. Gen. 2:18, 1Co. 11:7 And she didn’t fail in that role till the moment she got Adam to eat from the fruit of the tree. At that moment, her eyes were opened as well.

8.) God’s word says, “Through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, so death spread to all men.”. Rom. 5:12 If Eve’s eating was a sin, it would have to say, “Through one woman sin entered into the world.”.
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the truth about the fall is here plain as day for all to see in the bible texts itself;

The Fall​

Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field that the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden?’”

Gen 3:2 The woman answered the serpent, “We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden,

Gen 3:3 but about the fruit of the tree in the middle of the garden, God has said, ‘You must not eat of it or touch it, or you will die.’”
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Eve knew before she ate!​

Gen 3:4 “You will not surely die,” the serpent told her.

Gen 3:5 “For God knows that in the day you eat of it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

Gen 3:6 When the woman saw that the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eyes, and that it was desirable for obtaining wisdom, she took the fruit and ate it. She also gave some to her husband who was with her, and he ate it.

Eve willingly disobeyed God's command not to eat of that tree under the penalty of death! She believed the Lie instrad of obeying God's clear command not to eat.​

Gen 3:7 And the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; so they sewed together fig leaves and made coverings for themselves.

Gen 3:8 Then the man and his wife heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the breeze of the day, and they hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden.

Gen 3:9 But the LORD God called out to the man, “Where are you?”

Gen 3:10 “I heard Your voice in the garden,” he replied, “and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid myself.”

Gen 3:11 “Who told you that you were naked?” asked the LORD God. “Have you eaten from the tree of which I commanded you not to eat?”

Gen 3:12 And the man answered, “The woman whom You gave me, she gave me fruit from the tree, and I ate it.”

Gen 3:13 Then the LORD God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?” “The serpent deceived me,” she replied, “and I ate.”

Gen 3:14 So the LORD God said to the serpent: “Because you have done this, cursed are you above all livestock and every beast of the field! On your belly will you go, and dust you will eat, all the days of your life.

Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed. He will crush your head, and you will strike his heel.”

SO nothing happened????​

Gen 3:16 To the woman He said: “I will sharply increase your pain in childbirth; in pain you will bring forth children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.”

Gen 3:17 And to Adam He said: “Because you have listened to the voice of your wife and have eaten from the tree of which I commanded you not to eat, cursed is the ground because of you; through toil you will eat of it all the days of your life.

Gen 3:18 Both thorns and thistles it will yield for you, and you will eat the plants of the field.

Gen 3:19 By the sweat of your brow you will eat your bread, until you return to the ground— because out of it were you taken. For dust you are, and to dust you shall return.”

SO nothing happened????​

Gen 3:20 And Adam named his wife Eve, because she would be the mother of all the living.

Gen 3:21 And the LORD God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife, and He clothed them.

Gen 3:22 Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil. And now, lest he reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever...”

Gen 3:23 Therefore the LORD God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken.

Gen 3:24 So He drove out the man and stationed cherubim on the east side of the Garden of Eden, along with a whirling sword of flame to guard the way to the tree of life.

Yes Eve sinned when she ate of the tree this is what the bible says!
 
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dkontner said:
Interesting enough, Adam was punished for listening to his wife.
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What is also interesting is we are not told what she said.

Gen.3:17
17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
 
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2.) Eve was not Created when Adam was given the command not to eat. Gen 2:16-17, Gen. 2:21-23
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Eve new what God had said before she ate of the fruit.. Because she said to satan..

Genesis 3:2 - Genesis 3:5
(Genesis 3:2-5) "And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: {3} But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. {4} And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: {5} For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil."

So before Satan tempted Eve she already know Gods comandment against eating of it..
 
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sawdust said:
What is also interesting is we are not told what she said.

Gen.3:17
17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
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Thank you, another thing about His word I can ponder on.
 
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sawdust said:
I don't believe @EmethAlethia is implying Eve wasn't a sinner but that she sinned when she gave Adam the fruit rather than the view she sinned when she ate the fruit.
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Well, that is possible because she did not die when she touched the fruit, which was permissible per God's command (Gen. 2:16),
even though she had sinned per her addition to/understanding of GW (Rom. 14:22-23).
 
GWH said:
Well, that is possible because she did not die when she touched the fruit, which was permissible per God's command (Gen. 2:16),
even though she had sinned per her addition to/understanding of GW (Rom. 14:22-23).
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God never said they would die the instant they ate. Christ did not die the instant our sins were placed on Him but He did die on the same day which, was not the general rule for crucifixions.

Genesis 2:17
but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”
Paul tells us she became a sinner when she was deceived.

1 Timothy 2:14
And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.
And James confirms we are led astray at the moment our desires take precedence over God's word which then leads to overt sin.

James 1:15
Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.
And Christ confirmed sin begins in the heart.

Matthew 5:28
But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
And we see this in the original sinner, Lucifer. He was judged for what only God could see.

Isaiah 14:13
For you have said in your heart: ‘I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation On the farthest sides of the north;

Eve became a sinner the moment she rejected the truth of God and replaced it with the lie of the serpent. That God did not hold her responsible in the instant is because she was deceived and He is merciful on those who are ignorant in unbelief. (1Tim.1:13)
However, she still suffered exactly in accordance with the word of God in that "she died on the day she ate".
 
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sawdust said:
God never said they would die the instant they ate. Christ did not die the instant our sins were placed on Him but He did die on the same day which, was not the general rule for crucifixions.

Genesis 2:17
but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”
Paul tells us she became a sinner when she was deceived.

1 Timothy 2:14
And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.
And James confirms we are led astray at the moment our desires take precedence over God's word which then leads to overt sin.

James 1:15
Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.
And Christ confirmed sin begins in the heart.

Matthew 5:28
But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
And we see this in the original sinner, Lucifer. He was judged for what only God could see.

Isaiah 14:13
For you have said in your heart: ‘I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation On the farthest sides of the north;

Eve became a sinner the moment she rejected the truth of God and replaced it with the lie of the serpent. That God did not hold her responsible in the instant is because she was deceived and He is merciful on those who are ignorant in unbelief. (1Tim.1:13)
However, she still suffered exactly in accordance with the word of God in that "she died on the day she ate".
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Re "God never said they would die the instant they ate."
Yes, but they did not understand metaphorical words might convey spiritual truth.
That ignorance resulted in sin and ultimate death unless God provided a way to be saved.
 
sawdust said:
1 Timothy 2:14
And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.

Sounds to me like she became a sinner the moment she believed the serpent's lie.
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Wonderful. Prove me wrong. Sin entered into the world through one woman ... ok. the scriptures are wrong and you are right. Prove it.

The problem is, she ate and did not die ... later she gave to Adam. And THEN both there eyes were opened. How long was the time period in-between? Eve wasn't there. Only Adam. Three times God ONLY addresses Adam (You singular) with regards to eating the tree. Never Eve. The only time God addresses Eve it is with regards to Adam's statement: The woman that You (singular) gave to me gave to me from the tree and I ate." God turns to Eve and says "What is THIS that you have done?". "This" refers directly to the statement.

The only way for anyone to sin, apart from the knowledge of good and evil is to disobey a direct command of God. There was no command of God to Eve to obey Adam or not to eat of the tree. Prove your point.

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Just because she was not held responsible for sin entering the world, does not negate her suffering the consequences of God's word. The fact remains, she still died on the day she ate.
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Nope. Nothing at all happened when she ate. Not a thing. Prove your point.
sawdust said:
As she was not directly given the command from God but received it from Adam, she was still obligated to obey however, she came under God's mercy for He has mercy on the ignorant.
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God didn't command Eve ANYTHING. Adam's misrepresenting God said (Not that this isn't happening right now.) is the "deception" that occurred. If Adam had simply stated "God told me if I ever ate of the fruit of the tree I'd die." Odds are much better we'd still be in Eden. But He altered what God said, told Eve a lie, she bought it, and they, and we suffered for it.

sawdust said:
1Tim.1:13 While she knew the command, it is obvious she didn't truly understand it for she added to it.

As you rightly say, we are born sinners because of Adam, yet who can look upon a baby and see it is a sinner? Sin likes to hide in the dark, therefore just because the sin is not obvious, doesn't mean it is not there
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Oh, there were consequences, but not for "sinning" or sin entered into the world through one woman and Jesus would have to been born a woman to correct that original sin. Eve failed to be a helper suitable for Adam (The reason she was created) when? At what moment? Adam was created to be the glory of God. Eve to be the glory of man. To make them "Look Good". At what moment did Adam fail in the role for which He was created? At what moment did Eve fail in the role for which she was created?

I don't have a problem with being wrong. Just prove it from the scriptures.
 
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