Was Judas Iscariot saved, or was he not?

[JohnDB]

Sorry, there is nothing wrong with giving clear and complete answers. I apologise that I did not do so. The program is called "Online Bible." It began many decades ago, so the "online" of the name doesn't mean that it is a web-based program. Details available here: https://onlinebible.net/program-downloads/ Sorry again for not giving this information before.

So....
You are basing your answers on what Larry Pierce says....where Larry is fine at translation work....his other work?.....meh
And that's why vetting resources is important. Most scholars are only proficient in ONE field of study....

Took me a minute to finally get a clear answer....(I sense a trend going on here)

And you got what you paid for....

You paid NOTHING....it cost you nothing....you believe expending money for real work is not worth it....the workman doesnt deserve his wages?
Stop being a schmuck.
Put your money where your mouth is or you are just playing a schoolyard game of "nyah nyah a boo boo."

This is his software/commentary you are using.
There are others out there that do cost a small amount but are much much better. They use reliable, standard, time-tested resources....
(Most reliable resources have copyright protection and require fees to use....not a hefty fee....but something for the people who did it)
Some are really expensive for what you get. Others like Pradis have been abandoned...

And there is a REASON why Calvinism has been dumped en masse....and it has a lot to do with people being able to access vetted resources.

 

[DavidLamb]

So....
You are basing your answers on what Larry Pierce says....where Larry is fine at translation work....his other work?.....meh
And that's why vetting resources is important. Most scholars are only proficient in ONE field of study....

Took me a minute to finally get a clear answer....(I sense a trend going on here)

And you got what you paid for....

You paid NOTHING....it cost you nothing....you believe expending money for real work is not worth it....the workman doesnt deserve his wages?
Stop being a schmuck.
Put your money where your mouth is or you are just playing a schoolyard game of "nyah nyah a boo boo."

This is his software/commentary you are using.
There are others out there that do cost a small amount but are much much better. They use reliable, standard, time-tested resources....
(Most reliable resources have copyright protection and require fees to use....not a hefty fee....but something for the people who did it)
Some are really expensive for what you get. Others like Pradis have been abandoned...

And there is a REASON why Calvinism has been dumped en masse....and it has a lot to do with people being able to access vetted resources.

You seem to be making several wrong assumptions. First, I didn't say that I only used the concordance that came with Online Bible. Second, while it may be free now, when I first had the program, it was necessary to purchase it on a DVD. It is too long ago now to remember how much it cost, but I certainly did pay for it. I also paid for my pint copy of Strong's Concordance, although I also have a free version on ESword.

 

[Lamar]

Nothing quite like dealing with people who love to misrepresent, huh? Like Lamar.

You are only fooling those who want to be fooled.

If you are suggesting that the elect or non-elect have any say so or decision in regard to their salvation then it is you who is misrepresenting election.

Mankind has no part in its own final fate. He or she cannot even choose to obey God.

I repeat, we cannot even choose our own fate. So stop giving the non-chosen a false hope!

Of course that's if you believe in election.

 

[Godsgood]

Jesus didn’t forbid the disciples fromever carrying a money bag. He forbade them from doing so on their early missionary journey.

Also, as usual, it’s not a parable.

What is clearly written as forbidden is still being denied.
LUKE 10:3-4
3 Go your ways: behold, I send you forth as lambs among wolves.
4 Carry neither purse, nor scrip, nor shoes: and salute no man by the way.

 

[Lamar]

You seem to be making several wrong assumptions. First, I didn't say that I only used the concordance that came with Online Bible. Second, while it may be free now, when I first had the program, it was necessary to purchase it on a DVD. It is too long ago now to remember how much it cost, but I certainly did pay for it. I also paid for my pint copy of Strong's Concordance, although I also have a free version on ESword.

Is it common in the UK to purchase books by weight?

 

[DavidLamb]

Is it common in the UK to purchase books by weight?

Sorry, typo. I meant "print copy", not "pint copy."

 

[Magenta]

Sorry, typo. I meant "print copy", not "pint copy."

Heh, I did wonder what a pint copy was. Maybe small? LOL

Thank you for clarifying!

 

[JohnDB]

You are only fooling those who want to be fooled.

If you are suggesting that the elect or non-elect have any say so or decision in regard to their salvation then it is you who is misrepresenting election.

Mankind has no part in its own final fate. He or she cannot even choose to obey God.

I repeat, we cannot even choose our own fate. So stop giving the non-chosen a false hope!

Of course that's if you believe in election.

Wait,
Election only works if you believe in election?

We cannot choose?

Joshua was just kidding about "Choose you this day if the Cannaanite gods are better or not but as for me and my house we will serve the Lord...

 

[JohnDB]

BTW....don't upset the delicate balance of my key lime pie I just popped into the oven.

My milk bread is still proofing.
Sigh.

 

[Lamar]

Wait,
Election only works if you believe in election?

We cannot choose?

Joshua was just kidding about "Choose you this day if the Cannaanite gods are better or not but as for me and my house we will serve the Lord...

Correct, neither the elect or the non-elect can choose their fate.

On the issue of can the elect or non-elect choose to believe in election, I do not know?

Ask Magenta.

It would be strange to believe in election but feel that you are not among the chosen.

I wonder if Judas believed in election?

Is believing in election proof of being among the elect?

 

[JohnDB]

Is believing in election proof of being among the elect

Now that's a great question. Especially fitting for this thread.

Because its obvious that Judas believed that Jesus was God's son...
But the rest of his theology after that tidbit was absolutely wrong.

So...
What is the line of theology?
Calvinists
Armenianism...
SDA?

 

[Dino246]

What is clearly written as forbidden is still being denied.
LUKE 10:3-4
3 Go your ways: behold, I send you forth as lambs among wolves.
4 Carry neither purse, nor scrip, nor shoes: and salute no man by the way.

Wrong. You still have no understanding of context.

 

[Godsgood]

Wrong. You still have no understanding of context.

Truth does not come from you, so your opinion cannot be the basis for salvation.

God is revealing that you are actually afraid of yourself rather than fearing God.

 

[Godsgood]

Among the apostles, Judas was the one who carried the money bag.
JOHN 13:29
29 For some of them thought, because Judas had the bag, that Jesus had said unto him, Buy those things that we have need of against the feast; or, that he should give something to the poor.

From a human perspective, he functioned as the treasurer of their group.
However, to the Lord Jesus, this carried a deeper, symbolic meaning, it was a parable (Mark 4:34).

Concerning the money bag, whenever the Lord Jesus sent out His disciples, He gave them strict instructions not to take a money bag with them.
LUKE 10:4
4 Carry neither purse, nor scrip, nor shoes: and salute no man by the way.

What is the significance of the money bag that Judas carried, considering that the Lord Jesus had forbidden His disciples to carry a money bag?

Because we are asking the Lord, since for the Lord is the one who reveals truth through His word.
Here is what He revealed about Judas carrying the money bag: It was not meant for giving to the poor as in John 13:29 but for the purpose of stealing.
JOHN 12:6
6 This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.

In Judas’ view, he was helping or feeding the poor. But the Lord said no, he was stealing. What do you think the Lord is trying to say about what Judas was stealing and from whom he was stealing?

 

[Dino246]

Truth does not come from you, so your opinion cannot be the basis for salvation.

You truly are dense if you believe that I think my opinion is the basis for salvation. You just avoid addressing the legitimate and biblically based criticism of your position.

 

[Lamar]

You truly are dense if you believe that I think my opinion is the basis for salvation. You just avoid addressing the legitimate and biblically based criticism of your position.

This is a rather common problem within the dense community.

When you cannot defend your position, just say something stupid.

 

[Dino246]

In Judas’ view, he was helping or feeding the poor. But the Lord said no, he was stealing. What do you think the Lord is trying to say about what Judas was stealing and from whom he was stealing?

This is another example of a worthless question with no direct answer in Scripture that you ask to test others. You will read the responses and then present the “answer” you receive from your familiar spirit while claiming it is from the Lord. Your deception will deepen and you will become further entrenched in your error.

 

[Godsgood]

This is another example of a worthless question with no direct answer in Scripture that you ask to test others. You will read the responses and then present the “answer” you receive from your familiar spirit while claiming it is from the Lord. Your deception will deepen and you will become further entrenched in your error.

Anyone who does not know the one true God has no truth in them, even if they use or quote the Word of God. Their wisdom comes only from the natural human mind. Therefore, the truth found in God's Word is foolishness to them.
Because they do not know the one true God.
God does not reveal to them who Satan is and so they are easily deceived by the devil.
1 CORINTHIANS 2:14
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

REVELATION 12:9
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

 

[Godsgood]

Because we are asking the Lord, since for the Lord is the one who reveals truth through His word.
Here is what He revealed about Judas carrying the money bag: It was not meant for giving to the poor as in John 13:29 but for the purpose of stealing.
JOHN 12:6
6 This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.

In Judas’ view, he was helping or feeding the poor. But the Lord said no, he was stealing. What do you think the Lord is trying to say about what Judas was stealing and from whom he was stealing?

Regarding the "pouch," it is the Lord God Himself who gives the pouch to His chosen ones.
PROVERBS 16:11
11 A just weight and balance are the Lord's: all the weights of the bag are his work.

And David, who fought Goliath, as one chosen by God, received the pouch from the Lord.
1 SAMUEL 17:40
40 And he took his staff in his hand, and chose him five smooth stones out of the brook, and put them in a shepherd's bag which he had, even in a scrip; and his sling was in his hand: and he drew near to the Philistine.

Therefore, what God forbids His chosen ones in Luke 10:4 is to carry a pouch of their own.
Instead, the pouch they are to carry is the one given to them by God.

However, the pouch that Judas carried was not approved by the Lord.
That is why the Lord said that Judas was a thief in John 12:6

Therefore, it is now clear that the pouch Judas carried came from himself alone, not from God..

 

[Dino246]

Regarding the "pouch," it is the Lord God Himself who gives the pouch to His chosen ones.
PROVERBS 16:11
11 A just weight and balance are the Lord's: all the weights of the bag are his work.

And David, who fought Goliath, as one chosen by God, received the pouch from the Lord.
1 SAMUEL 17:40
40 And he took his staff in his hand, and chose him five smooth stones out of the brook, and put them in a shepherd's bag which he had, even in a scrip; and his sling was in his hand: and he drew near to the Philistine.

Therefore, what God forbids His chosen ones in Luke 10:4 is to carry a pouch of their own.
Instead, the pouch they are to carry is the one given to them by God.

However, the pouch that Judas carried was not approved by the Lord.
That is why the Lord said that Judas was a thief in John 12:6

Therefore, it is now clear that the pouch Judas carried came from himself alone, not from God..

Utter nonsense. You again demonstrate that you have no concept of proper hermeneutical methods, but instead string together passages with no actual link, and pretend they tell deep truths. Hogwash!