2 Thessalonians 2:11
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
2 Thessalonians 2:11 says NOTHING about never being saved to begin with... it discusses those that God have given over to a lie (v11). all of 2 thess is talking about the return of Christ... v3 EXPLICITLY states "do not be decieved by any means"... v12 is the condemnation of those who CHOSE to fall away, not they were never saved to begin with
this verse does not prove OSAS
1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils.
YOU PROVED MY POINT WITH THIS VERSE. it says some will DEPART from the faith, EXACTLY LIKE HYMENAEUS, PHILETUS, AND ALEXANDER.
this verse does not prove OSAS... rather the exact opposite
Matthew 24:10-11
At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.
same thing as the above verse... it proves conditional security, not OSAS
2 Tim 4:2-4
Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
same thing as the two verses above. this PROVES one can fall away from the faith
Jude 4
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
the ONLY thing that has been predestined concerning false teachers is where they end up for their disobedience, NOT THEIR INDIVIDUAL LIVES. Cain was given the choice to either do good or evil in Genesis 4:1-7... he CHOSE to do evil. He was not predestined to be evil
this does not prove OSAS
1 Peter 1:20
Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you.
this verse is COMPLETELY taken out of context!!
1 Peter 1:13-21
13 Therefore, preparing your minds for action, and being sober-minded, set your hope fully on the grace that will be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.
14 As obedient children, do not be conformed to the passions of your former ignorance,
15 but as he who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct,
16 since it is written, "You shall be holy, for I am holy."
17 And if you call on him as Father who judges impartially according to each one’s deeds, conduct yourselves with fear throughout the time of your exile,
18
knowing that you were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your forefathers, not with perishable things such as silver or gold,
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but with the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot.
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He was foreknown before the foundation of the world but was made manifest in the last times for the sake of you 21 who through him are believers in God, who raised him from the dead and gave him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God.
it was CHRIST that was foreknown before the world began
this verse does not prove OSAS
Ephesians 1:5
Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will.
the context of Ephesians 1:1-5 discusses that salvation is predestined IN JESUS CHRIST... not that selected individuals are predestined to BE saved.
this does not prove OSAS
Romans 9:11-13
For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth. It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
1. God does call, but it is NOT IRRESISTIBLE (Acts 7:51)
Romans 9 is not speaking about individuals... IT IS TALKING ABOUT TWO NATIONS.
this doe snot prove OSAS
Romans 8:29-30
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called, and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Romans 8:28
And we know that
all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
verses 29-30 apply ONLY TO THOSE WHO LOVE HIM... IF ONE STOPS LOVING HIM, THESE VERSES NO LONGER APPLY.
this doe snot prove OSAS
Ephesians 1:11
In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will.
I dont deny God's sovereignty... in fact, i completely affirm it.
You say we are predestined TO faith... this verse locates predestination "in Christ", and Ephesians says we are predestined THROUGH FAITH
1 Peter 1:5
Who are kept by the power of God
through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
Romans 11:18-22
18 do not brag that you are better than those branches. But if you do brag—you do not sustain the root, but the root sustains you.
19 Then you will say, "Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in."
20 True enough; they were broken off by unbelief, but you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid.
21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you either.
22 Therefore, consider God's kindness and severity: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness toward you—if you remain in His kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off.
this does not prove OSAS
Matthew 24:22
And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
this says nothing about either salvation, or losing salvation. this verse has been taken completely out fo context, just like every other verse Calvinists tend to use for their Gnostic belief system
this doe snot prove OSAS
2 Peter 2:1
1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, and will bring swift destruction on themselves.
2 Timothy 2:12
if we endure, we will also reign with Him; if we deny Him, He will also deny us
Ezekiel 18:24
24 But when a righteous person turns from his righteousness and practices iniquity, committing the same abominations that the wicked do, will he live? None of the righteous acts he did will be remembered. He will die because of the treachery he has engaged in and the sin he has committed.
Hebrews 6:4-8
4 For it is impossible to renew to repentance those who were once enlightened, who tasted the heavenly gift, became companions with the Holy Spirit,
5 tasted God's good word and the powers of the coming age,
6 and who have fallen away, because, to their own harm, they are recrucifying the Son of God and holding Him up to contempt.
7 For ground that has drunk the rain that has often fallen on it, and that produces vegetation useful to those it is cultivated for, receives a blessing from God.
8 But if it produces thorns and thistles, it is worthless and about to be cursed, and will be burned at the end.
Hebrews 2:1-4
1 For this reason we must pay much closer attention to what we have heard, so that we do not drift away from it.
2 For if the word spoken through angels proved unalterable, and every transgression and disobedience received a just penalty,
3 how will we escape if we neglect so great a salvation? After it was at the first spoken through the Lord, it was confirmed to us by those who heard,
4 God also testifying with them, both by signs and wonders and by various miracles and by gifts of the Holy Spirit according to His own will.
a Christian, if he turns to false doctrines, seducing spirits, and continues in sin, forfeits his salvation.