Was Judas Iscariot saved, or was he not?

[Godsgood]

Scripture also does not say that Judas did believe in Christ. If you’re going to criticize someone for making an assumption, don’t make exactly the same kind of assumption and pretend yours is more logical.

Oh no. How could Judas become an apostle if he did not believe in Christ? It’s like saying the Lord was just guessing about the ones He chose. Why don’t you know that the Lord Jesus (in His role as Father) has foreknowledge? I thought you could talk to Him.

This is one of the pieces of evidence that you are only claiming for yourself that you can talk to the Lord, but He is exposing you that what you are claiming is not true.

 

[Godsgood]

You’re projecting.

You have no proof that the NIV you are reading comes from God. Therefore, the scriptures you are quoting, although they are the Word of God, are only coming from you.

This just another evidence.

 

[Godsgood]

You pile arrogance on top of your ignorance.


That’s completely ridiculous.


I didn’t.


Perhaps in your family, adults still breastfeed?

Perhaps in your family, adults still breastfeed?
You are also just mentioning the family.
Do you mean that what your family knows about a person’s experiences only applies to children and adults?

When you were born by your mother, were you already a child the moment you came out?
So you were already that big when you were born? I didn’t know you were already 2–3 years old right away.


When I was born by my mother, I was still just a baby or infant.

 

[Godsgood]

Sorry, what do you mean? It was not only Judas who shared in the Last Supper. We read the following:

(Mat 26:26) And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, blessed and broke it, and gave it to the disciples and said, "Take, eat; this is My body."
(Mat 26:27) Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you."

He gave the bread to the disciples, not just Judas, and told them to eat. He specifically told all of them to drink the wine, not just Judas.

According to Proverbs 3:5, God does not want people to rely on their own understanding.
In the clear understanding of people, they think He is referring only to Judas.
So in people’s belief, what the Lord said has already passed because it already happened with Judas.

However, what the Lord said is not only for Judas, but a great warning to all groups in Christianity who read and believe in the Holy Book.
That is why the Lord said His word will never pass away.
MATTHEW 24:35
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

WARNING:
Whoever shares a plate or table with the Lord will betray Him.

 

[Dino246]

Oh no. How could Judas become an apostle if he did not believe in Christ? It’s like saying the Lord was just guessing about the ones He chose. Why don’t you know that the Lord Jesus (in His role as Father) has foreknowledge? I thought you could talk to Him.

This is one of the pieces of evidence that you are only claiming for yourself that you can talk to the Lord, but He is exposing you that what you are claiming is not true.

You are so far off base that you’re in the next county.

 

[Dino246]

You have no proof that the NIV you are reading comes from God.

And you have no proof that it doesn’t.

Therefore, the scriptures you are quoting, although they are the Word of God, are only coming from you.

Your argument is patently ridiculous.

 

[Dino246]

According to Proverbs 3:5, God does not want people to rely on their own understanding.
In the clear understanding of people, they think He is referring only to Judas.
So in people’s belief, what the Lord said has already passed because it already happened with Judas.

However, what the Lord said is not only for Judas, but a great warning to all groups in Christianity who read and believe in the Holy Book.
That is why the Lord said His word will never pass away.
MATTHEW 24:35
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

WARNING:
Whoever shares a plate or table with the Lord will betray Him.

Another wacky contrabiblical idea from your ill mind.

 

[DavidLamb]

According to Proverbs 3:5, God does not want people to rely on their own understanding.
In the clear understanding of people, they think He is referring only to Judas.
So in people’s belief, what the Lord said has already passed because it already happened with Judas.

However, what the Lord said is not only for Judas, but a great warning to all groups in Christianity who read and believe in the Holy Book.
That is why the Lord said His word will never pass away.
MATTHEW 24:35
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

WARNING:
Whoever shares a plate or table with the Lord will betray Him.

How does Proverbs 3:5 affect the matter of whether just Judas or all the 12 shared in the Last Supper? That verse says:

(Pro 3:5) Trust in the LORD with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding;

 

[rewriter]

You have no proof that the NIV you are reading comes from God. Therefore, the scriptures you are quoting, although they are the Word of God, are only coming from you.

This just another evidence.

We have no PROOF that any translation of the Bible comes from God. Even worse, we have no proof that we have the complete Bible. The RCC CLAIMS to have the complete Bible, but that is just a claim, much as the claim that the Ethiopic Bible is complete (I see reasons to question at least some parts of it). I know of no Protestant denomination that officially claims the Bible is complete either, every denominational statement I know of leaves the canon open to possibly recognizing more scripture, just not certain specific works, although these specific works might be deemed worth studying.

 

[Godsgood]

We have no PROOF that any translation of the Bible comes from God. Even worse, we have no proof that we have the complete Bible. The RCC CLAIMS to have the complete Bible, but that is just a claim, much as the claim that the Ethiopic Bible is complete (I see reasons to question at least some parts of it). I know of no Protestant denomination that officially claims the Bible is complete either, every denominational statement I know of leaves the canon open to possibly recognizing more scripture, just not certain specific works, although these specific works might be deemed worth studying.

The Lord God's chosen people in our time are guided by Him to recognize which words of God are correct among the different Bible versions, and that is the version they read.

 

[Godsgood]

And you have no proof that it doesn’t.


Your argument is patently ridiculous.

You pile arrogance on top of your ignorance.


That’s completely ridiculous.


I didn’t.


Perhaps in your family, adults still breastfeed?

You talk so arrogantly here, but now you refuse to comment because you've been exposed.


Perhaps in your family, adults still breastfeed?
You are also just mentioning the family.
Do you mean that what your family knows about a person’s experiences only applies to children and adults?

When you were born by your mother, were you already a child the moment you came out?
So you were already that big when you were born? I didn’t know you were already 2–3 years old right away.


When I was born by my mother, I was still just a baby or infant.

 

[dkontner]

God's word isn't corrupt and is never peddled. If it isn't pure, it isn't of God. It's not a good idea to overthrow a king and install your own leaders. It didn't take long for evolution, dispensationalism, fake manuscripts, WWI, automobiles, planes, WWII, AI, earthly Israel, etc... Do you how many monarchies fell 300+/- years ago? You think that's good? Didn't God say He would give us kings? I'm ready for my King.

God said.. or Yeah, hath God said? One is God, the creator of ALL things, the other is the god of this world. God said He would preserve His word. Who do you believe? Does your Bible say Abraham and his seed or Abraham and his descendants/family/offspring?

Psalm 12​

6 The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
7 Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

Peddle or corrupt? What does your NOT do?

2 Corinthians 2​

17 For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.

 

[Dino246]

You talk so arrogantly here, but now you refuse to comment because you've been exposed.


Perhaps in your family, adults still breastfeed?
You are also just mentioning the family.
Do you mean that what your family knows about a person’s experiences only applies to children and adults?

When you were born by your mother, were you already a child the moment you came out?
So you were already that big when you were born? I didn’t know you were already 2–3 years old right away.


When I was born by my mother, I was still just a baby or infant.

Your constant arguing is foolish. Grow up.

 

[Godsgood]

And you have no proof that it doesn’t.


Your argument is patently ridiculous.

I may not read the version of the Holy Bible that you read, because the Lord has taught me which version is the correct one, and that is the version I read.
Even so, although I do not read the version you use, I know that it contains errors.
My question to you is: Is it children who are weaned from the breast, or infants?

Isaiah says that it is the children who are taught by the Lord God.
ISAIAH 28:9
Who is it he is trying to teach?
To whom is he explaining his message?
To children weaned from their milk,
to those just taken from the breast?

Let me focus on the point. A person's life includes infancy, childhood, and adulthood.
Weaning from the breast happens during infancy, not during childhood or adulthood.

So how can the translation in the Bible version you read say "children" if the context is clearly referring to those who are being weaned from the breast?
Doesn't that suggest the translation should be examined more carefully?

Come to think of it, it seems your family only recognizes two stages of a person's life: child and adult.
Apparently, infancy doesn't exist to you. So it's no surprise that you would say the Bible version you read is correct, that it is children who are weaned from the breast, and not adults.

But it is not surprising. Even though it is written there and you have read it yourself, you still do not see it.

Anyone who does not know the one true God is blind in the sight of God (John 8:54-55 & John 9:40-41).

 

[Godsgood]

Your constant arguing is foolish. Grow up.

I think you should tell this word to yourself. Grow up.

Because of your arrogance and your desire to prove that you know the Word of God, you even dragged my family into this.
This discussion is only between you and me, and they have nothing to do with our conversation.

 

[Godsgood]

How does Proverbs 3:5 affect the matter of whether just Judas or all the 12 shared in the Last Supper? That verse says:

(Pro 3:5) Trust in the LORD with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding;

Please elaborate on what you mean.

 

[Dino246]

I may not read the version of the Holy Bible that you read, because the Lord has taught me which version is the correct one, and that is the version I read.
Even so, although I do not read the version you use, I know that it contains errors.
My question to you is: Is it children who are weaned from the breast, or infants?

Isaiah says that it is the children who are taught by the Lord God.
ISAIAH 28:9
Who is it he is trying to teach?
To whom is he explaining his message?
To children weaned from their milk,
to those just taken from the breast?

Let me focus on the point. A person's life includes infancy, childhood, and adulthood.
Weaning from the breast happens during infancy, not during childhood or adulthood.

So how can the translation in the Bible version you read say "children" if the context is clearly referring to those who are being weaned from the breast?
Doesn't that suggest the translation should be examined more carefully?

Come to think of it, it seems your family only recognizes two stages of a person's life: child and adult.
Apparently, infancy doesn't exist to you. So it's no surprise that you would say the Bible version you read is correct, that it is children who are weaned from the breast, and not adults.

But it is not surprising. Even though it is written there and you have read it yourself, you still do not see it.

Anyone who does not know the one true God is blind in the sight of God (John 8:54-55 & John 9:40-41).

You don’t understand semantics, do you? “Infant” is included in “child”. Your argument is foolish.

 

[Godsgood]

Therefore, what the Lord said was not about Judas alone.
Rather, anyone who shares in the Lord’s table is stealing from Him and will betray the Lord.
It just so happened that among the twelve, it was Judas who shared in the Lord’s table.

MARK 14:18
18 And as they sat and did eat, Jesus said, Verily I say unto you, One of you which eateth with me shall betray me.

Therefore, what the Lord Jesus said is a great warning for all who read and believe in the Holy Book.

In God’s revelation, sharing in His plate is equivalent to stealing from God, just like what Judas did.
He was stealing the glory that people were giving, which should have been given to God alone.

So what else are the things that belong only to the Lord, but are taken or imitated as if they belong to God?

 

[rewriter]

The Lord God's chosen people in our time are guided by Him to recognize which words of God are correct among the different Bible versions, and that is the version they read.

Can you please support your claim with scripture, including which people today are guided to the correct translation? Your comment sounds to me a lot like a statement of faith, not necessarily fact, but one which would sound very pleasant to those who consider themselves part of the "in group". and thus superior to the rest of humanity..

And as for your three divisions of humanity. infant, child and adult, when a human is born to you and your wife, are they not a child to the two of you from birth until your deaths? I know that the two born to my wife and I were accepted by me as my children are I still view them as my children even though they are in their 40's. Your distinction between infants and children seems artificial.

 

[Godsgood]

You don’t understand semantics, do you? “Infant” is included in “child”. Your argument is foolish.

If that is the case, then relying on semantics can become problematic.
Instead of allowing God’s Word to interpret itself, human methods of interpretation can sometimes take the place of what is believed to be God’s intended meaning.
From a theological perspective, this raises an important question about how meaning in Scripture should properly be understood: should it come primarily from human linguistic analysis, or from the authority of God Himself as revealed in His Word?

2 PETER 1:20
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.