Secret Rapture or Second Coming?

[Psalm1]

The Baby Jesus was removed. He wasn't "kept in the slaughter"
lot and his family were removed. They weren't kept in the fire.
The 2 escape verses, by Jesus, are just that, escaping, not going through as you need it to say.
Noah was gathered pretrib into the ark.
ark = type of heaven.
Noah spent THE ENTIRE FLOOD ( 7YR TRIB) miles above the earth IN THE HEAVENS.
Noah RETURNED postrib BACK TO EARTH AFTER THE TRIB.

Jesus clearly taught a pretrib rapture.

all rapture verse settings are normal life, every day Life, Commerce, and planning for the future.
(Which is exactly opposite of the setting that you need the bible to say, for a post trib rapture.
.... exactly opposite of the word of God.

Exactly.
Precisely mirroring Gods word.
Noah gathered pretrib, preflood into the ark, with Jesus declaring the pretrib setting of, buying , selling, normal life, everyday life and planning for the future.
Jesus declared his coming, also, as, "before the flood", which both pretribers and post tribers, use that analogy as the flood representing "the tribulation period."
So we see Noah gathered pretrib into the ark, ( a type of heaven), and rises high into the heavens, via the flood waters.
Where Noah spends the entire tribulation.
Then Noah returns postrib/ post flood, as we see in general 8, where the ark comes to rest on Mt Ararat.

Amazing pretrib rapture depiction.

Thank you Jesus!!!!!!!

Hidden in plain sight.

 

[Dino246]

Exactly.
Precisely mirroring Gods word.
Noah gathered pretrib, preflood into the ark, with Jesus declaring the pretrib setting of, buying , selling, normal life, everyday life and planning for the future.
Jesus declared his coming, also, as, "before the flood", which both pretribers and post tribers, use that analogy as the flood representing "the tribulation period."
So we see Noah gathered pretrib into the ark, ( a type of heaven), and rises high into the heavens, via the flood waters.
Where Noah spends the entire tribulation.
Then Noah returns postrib/ post flood, as we see in general 8, where the ark comes to rest on Mt Ararat.

Amazing pretrib rapture depiction.

Thank you Jesus!!!!!!!

Hidden in plain sight.

Affirming your own post is a little weird.

 

[dkontner]

They don't care what God says, they believe God is removing them instead of protecting them.

 

[Dino246]

QUOTE by Dino
"that “on the surface of the water” is still “on the earth”.
When you grossly misrepresent the word of God, expect pushback."

Ok, the atmosphere of the earth, is part of the earth.
So a plane , at 10, 000 ft above the earth, is therefore not above the SURFACE of the earth, correct.
Maybe think "surface of the earth"
I dunno...you seem stuck in some postribber twilight zone.
No matter what you cleverly come up with...THAT ARK WAS WHERE THE CLOUDS ARE...HIGH ABOVE THE MOUNTAINS.
You painted yourself into a corner big time.


Roll eyes.

Your argument , that you are making a fool of yourself, is wasted thought.

What a joke.

Your irrelevant insults are noted.

Is “flying through the air” the same thing as “on the earth”? Maybe from a galactic perspective, but not from a land-based perspective.

Was the ark ever flying through the air above the earth?

No.

Was it floating on water? Yes. On the earth, not “miles above the earth in the heavens.”

Get your head out of the clouds.

 

[Psalm1]

Affirming your own post is a little weird.

Weird that a smart guy like you needs proof the ark went up.
Mirroring Gods word is weird to non christians.

 

[Psalm1]

Your irrelevant insults are noted.

Is “flying through the air” the same thing as “on the earth”? Maybe from a galactic perspective, but not from a land-based perspective.

Was the ark ever flying through the air above the earth?

No.

Was it floating on water? Yes. On the earth, not “miles above the earth in the heavens.”

Get your head out of the clouds.

Place ping pong ball ON THE BOTTOM SURFACE OF AN EMPTY AQUARIUM.
FILL WITH WATER.
WATCH THE BALL WHILE INTRODUCING WATER.

You= " yes it went up...but...but...but that doesn't matter"


Me= it went up.
All I am saying and you can't handle it.

But I am weird.
Uh huh.

 

[Psalm1]

Your irrelevant insults are noted.

Is “flying through the air” the same thing as “on the earth”? Maybe from a galactic perspective, but not from a land-based perspective.

Was the ark ever flying through the air above the earth?

No.

Was it floating on water? Yes. On the earth, not “miles above the earth in the heavens.”

Get your head out of the clouds.

You ever accept any parable by Jesus????
You don't understand an analogy?
Pssst...there is no "boat, flood, water, all earths population wiped out,noah,8 people, animals...at any coming of Jesus.
Hello??? it is an analogy meant to convey A MESSAGE.
Describing a message.
Describing AN EVENT.

GOD SAYS the ark was above the mountains.
You= "God, that is weird"
Me = yes the ark was exactly where God says it was ( high above the mountains in the sky).

Flat out comical.

 

[Psalm1]

Your irrelevant insults are noted.

Is “flying through the air” the same thing as “on the earth”? Maybe from a galactic perspective, but not from a land-based perspective.

Was the ark ever flying through the air above the earth?

No.

Was it floating on water? Yes. On the earth, not “miles above the earth in the heavens.”

Get your head out of the clouds.

What nonsense.
A little tiny dynamic of the ark above the mountains and you can not handle it?????

 

[Psalm1]

They don't care what God says, they believe God is removing them instead of protecting them.

I am mirroring Gods word that you can not handle.
So easy to make you guys go against the word of God.

In order for your made up theory to work, (that God never removes his people pretrib), all I need is ONE VERSE declaring he does.

How about 5?
The 2 escape verses
Lot
Noah
The Baby Jesus REMOVED TO EGYPT.
Tell it to God.
He wrote it down for postribbers to go against.

 

[Psalm1]

Your irrelevant insults are noted.

Is “flying through the air” the same thing as “on the earth”? Maybe from a galactic perspective, but not from a land-based perspective.

Was the ark ever flying through the air above the earth?

No.

Was it floating on water? Yes. On the earth, not “miles above the earth in the heavens.”

Get your head out of the clouds.

My insults?
You call me vile and weird.

Look in a mirror friend.
Tell that person to get their head out of the clouded fantasy word of no such thing as buoyancy.

 

[Dino246]

My insults?
You call me vile and weird.

Look in a mirror friend.
Tell that person to get their head out of the clouded fantasy word of no such thing as buoyancy.

You are a liar.

I have not called you “vile” or “weird”.

The rest of your five-post rant is yawn-inducing.

 

[Psalm1]

You are a liar.

I have not called you “vile” or “weird”.

The rest of your five-post rant is yawn-inducing.

Most of your posts are thoughtful and intelligent.
Suddenly the thought of the ark lifted up has you in some strange dimension.
All I can think of is you must be a postribber and are protecting doctrine.

Now we can add "liar" to the list of insults you are making.

 

[Psalm1]

In what vile corruption of Scripture does it hint that “Noah spent the entire flood miles above the earth in the heavens“ before being “returned postrib (sic) back to earth”?

What were you saying about not using me and "vile", "corrupter" , in the same sentence?
Actually maligning me and the one that wrote the book I quoted.

 

[Psalm1]

Note that “on the mountains of Ararat” is on the earth, not “miles above the earth in the heavens”.

Note that “on the surface of the water” is still “on the earth”.

When you grossly misrepresent the word of God, expect pushback.

1) uh ...."on the mountain" clearly indicates the ark was lifted up and lowered onto it.
2) God said in gen 8, that the ark was lifted up.
3) you grossly misrepresent me and Gods word.
4) expect pushback.

 

[Psalm1]

And still you try to dodge. You are showing an egregious lack of integrity.

Insult no 4.
"Egregious lack of integrity."

4 insults by the guy that accuses me of insults.

You got owned.
Anytime you want to apologize is ok.

 

[GWH]

Pre-Tribulation Rapture believers insist that 1 Thes 4:16-17 is a description of the Rapture prior to the Great Tribulation, whereas Matt 24:30-31 is His coming after the Tribulation. However, on close inspection they appear to be one and the same event.

'For the Lord Himself will descend from Heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ shall rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord' 1 Thes 4:16-17 NKJB.

'Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in Heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they shall see the Son of Man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And His angels with the sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together the elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other'. Matt 24:16-17.

Please note the following in both passages.
* The coming of Christ from Heaven.
* Angel(s).
* Trumpet sounded.
* The catching up of saints to where Jesus is.

It is clear to any impartial individual, that what is described in both passages is the same event. And that event is Christ's coming in glory at the end of the age.
If it is said that there are some things not mentioned in both passages, then neither is it the case with John 14:1-3 which Pre-Tribbers claim to be the Rapture.
Please note the word 'meet' as in meet the Lord in the air 1 Thes 4:17. The word is 'apantesis' in the Greek and describes civic officials going out to meet a VIP and escorting him back to the city. This means that after the dead in Christ are raised and those alive are caught up to be with Him, they then proceed back to earth where Christ will set up His Millennial Kingdom.

On a historical note. The Pre-Tribulation Rapture doctrine was unheard of in the whole of Church history, up until John Nelson Darby came up with the idea, in 1830. Food for thought.

Final Coming. The End. Omega. Judgement Day.

 

[Dino246]

Suddenly the thought of the ark lifted up has you in some strange dimension.

All I can think of is you must be a postribber and are protecting doctrine.

You can't defend your wild claim, so you turn like the proverbial swine and attack those who question you, inventing baseless assumptions about me to dismiss or demean me.

What were you saying about not using me and "vile", "corrupter" , in the same sentence?
Actually maligning me and the one that wrote the book I quoted.

I did not use "you" (or any variant), "vile", and "corrupter" in the same sentence, and you did not quote Scripture.

Insult no 4.
"Egregious lack of integrity."

4 insults by the guy that accuses me of insults.

You got owned.
Anytime you want to apologize is ok.

That fertile imagination needs a little weeding.

 

[Psalm1]

You can't defend your wild claim, so you turn like the proverbial swine and attack those who question you, inventing baseless assumptions about me to dismiss or demean me.


I did not use "you" (or any variant), "vile", and "corrupter" in the same sentence, and you did not quote Scripture.


That fertile imagination needs a little weeding.

Insult number 5
Now I am called swine.
Get a life.
You got owned, not understanding buoyancy.
Gen 8 "the ark lifted"
I didn't write it.
You are still insisting it never lifted.

Ahem...ABOVE THE MOUNTAINS.
Sorry it painted you into an ill informed corner.
You did it to yourself.

 

[Psalm1]

Dino246 said:
"In what vile corruption of Scripture does it hint that “Noah spent the entire flood miles above the earth in the heavens“ before being “returned postrib (sic) back to earth”?"

God has a vile wording in Genesis 8 ?
Gen 8..."the ark was lifted"
Gen 8 "it came to rest on Mt ararat"

Huh?
Gods word is vile?

 

[Dino246]

Insult number 5
Now I am called swine.
Get a life.
You got owned, not understanding buoyancy.
Gen 8 "the ark lifted"
I didn't write it.
You are still insisting it never lifted.

Ahem...ABOVE THE MOUNTAINS.
Sorry it painted you into an ill informed corner.
You did it to yourself.

You betray your arrogance and ignorance all at once. You claim I wrote things that I did not write, which makes you a liar. You claim that Scripture says things that it does not, confirming you are a liar.

I will speak truth all day, and if you get offended, thinking I am insulting you personally, that's your problem. You don't understand English grammar, so you whine and bleat and claim that I "got owned" while you persist in your corruption of truth.

In other words, I yawn in your general direction.