Why do people keep calling The LORD 'Yahweh'?

[shyamuraix]

I am not an ancient Israelite, so I do not know the complete story. They saw YHWH as too sacred to spell out. That word was replaced with "Lord". Baal means Lord but in the same way as modern usage in the UK, where there are Lords still. Israelites succumbed to Baal worship so its not surprising if they considered Baal as Lord. No one in the UK considers "Lord" as anything but a formal title, except perhaps some of the Lords themselves.

Thats the thing brother,

I'm not talking about any LORD..The LORD in The Old Testament is just an English transLITERATION of 'YEHOVAH', who is described as The Self-Existent Eternal God, also the proper name of God.. So this is The Most High right?

This is Who I speak of.. Not the meaning of the different words that are translated to 'Lord', but why YEHOVAH, which is used in ALL CAPITAL, Different from every other 'Lord'..

Why has this been replaced with "Yahweh", who is clearly a different deity..

That's my question and problem..

I dont think what the Jews say or think is important at all, because :

(1 Thessalonians 2:14) For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:

(1 Thessalonians 2:15) Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men.

I think this point of view that a lot of people have and share, is holding the Jews as the absolute and ultimate authority on Scripture.. This can cause a lot of problems..

By the way, the scripture I quoted is from Paul, who is a Jew, of the tribe of Benjamin, and a Pharisee, who persecuted Christians

 

[DavidLamb]

Well, David..

Tetragrammaton is a term invented by Kabbalists, who are Pharisees, Orthodox Judaics, who reject and deny The Messiah, and have a different understanding and exposition of the Torah. They use the Talmud..

Jesus Christ says The only way to The Father (God Almighty) is through Him..

The Kaballists say its through their Sephiroth and other false teachings..

So their explanation cannot be taken seriously, because The Old Testament should prophesize and give evidence OF The Messiah, not reject it.

These people are very smart, they even convinced the Romans to crucify Christ, being the religious leaders and advisors of the time, and having their opinions and testimonies as divine..

(Matthew 23:1) Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,

(Matthew 23:2) Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:

(Matthew 23:3) All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

I don't know what basis you have for saying that "YHWH" was invented by Kabbalists. As I mentioned in a previous reply, Hebrew was written with no vowels, so as I understand it, "YHWH" was how the name of God was originally written.

 

[ResidentAlien]

But you didn't come in with any valuable input..

You came in asking me why im so concerned about the subject, and claiming I have an agenda..

Isn't that right?

Everything I've shot down is with questions in return, not with just claims of my opinion.

How dumb are you? You came into MY POST, and started posting garbage that has nothing to do with the subject, and you're telling me it's an open forum and I shouldn't respond to your questions?

You'd make a really good Muslim my friend.. Perhaps its time for a change of heart

I seem to have struck a nerve when I said it sounds like you have an agenda. I'm done with this nonsense; you clearly do have an agenda.

 

[shyamuraix]

I didn't say YHWH was invented by Kabbalists, ur not paying attention David..

I said the term 'Tetragramamton' is a Kabbalistic one..

Keep up, will you?

My argument here, FOR THE 10TH TIME.. Is not how the name of God was 'originally written', but why is The LORD God of the Old Testament, referred to as Yahweh today, when you claim it CANNOT BE PRONOUNCED, so why is it prounced as YAHWEH, and how did it go to YAHWEH from YEHOVAH, when there are numerous sources on Yahweh being an Ancient Near Eastern Storm 'god'/deity??

 

[shyamuraix]

I seem to have struck a nerve when I said it sounds like you have an agenda. I'm done with this nonsense; you clearly do have an agenda.

OH yeah, I do have an AGENDA.

A matter to be discussed.

SHOCKING. HOW DARE I HAVE A MATTER TO BE DISCUSSED IN A FORUM CALLED 'BIBLE DISCUSSION FORUM".

I am in awe of the blasphemy and transgression I have committed.. Forgive me brother!

 

[DavidLamb]

I didn't say YHWH was invented by Kabbalists, ur not paying attention David..

I said the term 'Tetragramamton' is a Kabbalistic one..

Keep up, will you?

My argument here, FOR THE 10TH TIME.. Is not how the name of God was 'originally written', but why is The LORD God of the Old Testament, referred to as Yahweh today, when you claim it CANNOT BE PRONOUNCED, so why is it prounced as YAHWEH, and how did it go to YAHWEH from YEHOVAH, when there are numerous sources on Yahweh being an Ancient Near Eastern Storm 'god'/deity??

Sorry for misunderstanding that you only meant the term "Tetragrammaton", but even so, the tetragrammaton refers to the four letters YHWH or their Hebrew equivalent. It was those four letters which I said could not be pronounced. Both Yahweh and Jehovah are attempts to make it pronounceable. I am truly glad that our great God does not make a correct pronunciation f His name a condition of being saved. As the apostles told the jailer at Philippi:

"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved." (Acts 16:31)

Anyway, sorry again for misunderstanding.

 

[shyamuraix]

Sorry for misunderstanding that you only meant the term "Tetragrammaton", but even so, the tetragrammaton refers to the four letters YHWH or their Hebrew equivalent. It was those four letters which I said could not be pronounced. Both Yahweh and Jehovah are attempts to make it pronounceable. I am truly glad that our great God does not make a correct pronunciation f His name a condition of being saved. As the apostles told the jailer at Philippi:

"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved." (Acts 16:31)

Anyway, sorry again for misunderstanding.

David my brother, there is no need for apology.. It's a lot to take in, i understand..

However, it is pretty dangerous to link this Tetragrammaton thing to Yehovah, or the name of God, beacuse like I said, this is Kabbalist theology, which is absolutely contrary to The Word of God.

Its true, believing and baptizing leads to salvation how do you confess the name of The LORD if it can't be pronounced?

Do you then apply this to Jesus Christ as well? Should we not pronunce His name and come up with another name for him like Tetragrammaton?

Help me make sense of it Dave..

Also, who taught you this David? That Tetragrammaton is the unpronouncable name of God Almighty? And could you tell me what is your source on this claim? I'm very curious to know. Then I can refute it with my explanation on it.

 

[Churchgoer]

One theory suggests that YHWH originally was the sound of breathing, YH being inhalation, WH being exhalation.

I also heard about it.
But the literal meaning of the 4 letters, are behold hand, behold nail.

 

[shyamuraix]

I also heard about it.
But the literal meaning of the 4 letters, are behold hand, behold nail.

I think there is a video circulating on this subject by a famous guy who interpreted this to mean the same.. I'm not refuting it, I'm just saying.. Yahweh the storm 'god'/deity.. Cannot be The GOD who imprinted His name in our DNA.. right?

Why then do they refer to Him by this name?

That's all I wanna know.. I believe its a deception created by the Pharisees to confuse people and keep them from knowing The LORD GOD.

(Matthew 23:13) But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

Am I crazy, or do you think my assumption is baseless?

Again, JUST ASKING

 

[shyamuraix]

Sorry for misunderstanding that you only meant the term "Tetragrammaton", but even so, the tetragrammaton refers to the four letters YHWH or their Hebrew equivalent. It was those four letters which I said could not be pronounced. Both Yahweh and Jehovah are attempts to make it pronounceable. I am truly glad that our great God does not make a correct pronunciation f His name a condition of being saved. As the apostles told the jailer at Philippi:

"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved." (Acts 16:31)

Anyway, sorry again for misunderstanding.

Also David,

To continue the verses you quoted :

(Acts 16:32) And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.

(Acts 16:33) And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.

(Acts 16:34) And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.

So yeah, believing is a requirement to be saved, but so is being baptized, and being taught and understood the Scriptures, for Jesus Christ Himself quotes Isaiah and Jeremiah which is Old Testament, next to Psalms and Deuteronomy to prove that He is The Messiah.

A lil off topic, but quoting single verses from whole chapters is not a good idea, since it tends to leave it open to interpretation, out of it's original context.

So I do believe that in order to truly understand that our Lord Jesus is the Christ, we have to understand the Old Testament, since whenever the term 'scriptures' are used in the New Testament, it is referring to the Old Testament, NOT the New.

 

[Roger316]

This name is mentioned nowhere in the Hebrew scriptures, neither is it in the language of Ancient Hebrew.

Based on my research, it is Yiddish, and Yahweh is NOT The LORD of the Old Testament.

Any thoughts?

Ancient Hebrew is a consonant‑only language, and the most sacred consonantal name in Scripture is the four‑letter divine name YHWH. Out of deep reverence, Jewish readers refused to pronounce this name aloud; instead, they substituted the word Adonai (“Lord”) whenever they encountered it. That is why English Bibles translate YHWH as LORD in small capitals. This practice does not mean the name is missing from the Hebrew Scriptures—YHWH appears more than 6,000 times—but it does explain why later readers sometimes misunderstood it. The claim that “Yahweh is Yiddish” or “not the LORD of the Old Testament” is simply incorrect. Yiddish is a medieval German‑Hebrew hybrid language, long after the Old Testament era, while YHWH is the original covenant name of Israel’s God in the Hebrew Bible. The issue is not that the name was absent, but that it was not spoken, out of reverence for the God who revealed it.

 

[shyamuraix]

Ancient Hebrew is a consonant‑only language, and the most sacred consonantal name in Scripture is the four‑letter divine name YHWH. Out of deep reverence, Jewish readers refused to pronounce this name aloud; instead, they substituted the word Adonai (“Lord”) whenever they encountered it. That is why English Bibles translate YHWH as LORD in small capitals. This practice does not mean the name is missing from the Hebrew Scriptures—YHWH appears more than 6,000 times—but it does explain why later readers sometimes misunderstood it. The claim that “Yahweh is Yiddish” or “not the LORD of the Old Testament” is simply incorrect. Yiddish is a medieval German‑Hebrew hybrid language, long after the Old Testament era, while YHWH is the original covenant name of Israel’s God in the Hebrew Bible. The issue is not that the name was absent, but that it was not spoken, out of reverence for the God who revealed it.

So I ask again,

How do they call up on The LORD, who's name cannot be spoken or pronounced?

How did David call upon Him? or Samuel? Or Elijah? did they also learn about The LORD from 'Jewish readers'?

So you're telling me that The LORD GOD, who answered Moses when he asked "Whom shall I tell them sent me"? was given a name by The LORD God that cannot be pronounced, for him to declare to the Israelites in Egypt?

Help me make sense of this. Forget about theology, just with logic.

Because using that logic, the original name of JESUS which is a English transliteration from the Hebrew original 'YEHOSHUA', should not be able to be pronounced either, since the Father's name is in Him.

How do we address this?

 

[shyamuraix]

 

[shyamuraix]

 

[Roger316]

So I ask again,

How do they call up on The LORD, who's name cannot be spoken or pronounced?

In Scripture, to “call upon the name of the Lord” does not mean knowing how to pronounce God’s personal name; it means appealing to His authority, His character, and His power to act. In the ancient world, a person’s “name” represented who they were and the authority they carried, so calling on someone’s name was an act of trust and dependence. The Hebrew people refused to speak God’s covenant name, YHWH, yet they constantly “called upon the name of the Lord” because the phrase refers to seeking His help, not pronouncing His syllables. Jesus Himself taught us that the truest way to address God is simply “Father,” and when we call upon the Father, we are appealing to the One whose authority, mercy, and power stand behind every promise He has made.

 

[shyamuraix]

In Scripture, to “call upon the name of the Lord” does not mean knowing how to pronounce God’s personal name; it means appealing to His authority, His character, and His power to act. In the ancient world, a person’s “name” represented who they were and the authority they carried, so calling on someone’s name was an act of trust and dependence. The Hebrew people refused to speak God’s covenant name, YHWH, yet they constantly “called upon the name of the Lord” because the phrase refers to seeking His help, not pronouncing His syllables. Jesus Himself taught us that the truest way to address God is simply “Father,” and when we call upon the Father, we are appealing to the One whose authority, mercy, and power stand behind every promise He has made.

Weak explanation for you not being able to address the subject.

Read your reply again so you can see for yourself how dumb it sounds.

It makes NO SENSE whatsoever..

But thanks for your time..

 

[DavidLamb]

David my brother, there is no need for apology.. It's a lot to take in, i understand..

However, it is pretty dangerous to link this Tetragrammaton thing to Yehovah, or the name of God, beacuse like I said, this is Kabbalist theology, which is absolutely contrary to The Word of God.

Its true, believing and baptizing leads to salvation how do you confess the name of The LORD if it can't be pronounced?

Do you then apply this to Jesus Christ as well? Should we not pronunce His name and come up with another name for him like Tetragrammaton?

Help me make sense of it Dave..

Also, who taught you this David? That Tetragrammaton is the unpronouncable name of God Almighty? And could you tell me what is your source on this claim? I'm very curious to know. Then I can refute it with my explanation on it.

I wonder what you thing "tetragrammaton" means. It simply means "four letters." As ancient Hebrew only had consonants, and no vowels, the name of God had only four letters, consonants. I notice you repeat that the term tetragrammaton is Kabbalistic, but you give no evidence that it is.

You ask how I can call upon the name of the Lord if I cannot pronounce it. First, when we read about "the name of the Lord, " or "the name of Jesus Christ" in the Bible, it means far more than the label by which they are called. For example, when we read:

(Act 4:12) Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."

that doesn't mean that sinners can be saved by repeating the name "Jesus". Rather, it refers to His whole being and character. Second, I don't speak Hebrew, but English, so when I talk to God in prayer, I address Him as "Lord" or "God", or both together, "Lord God." Or I say, "Heavenly Father." If I was a Polish Christian, I would use the equivalent Polish words. If I was Mongolian, I would use the Mongolian words. And so on. As far as I know, God doesn't tell us in His word that we can only use Hebrew to address Him. (It's interesting that on the cross, Jesus addressed His Father in Aramaic, not Hebrew.)

The New Testament was written in Greek, which does have both vowels and consonants, so there is no "consonants only" version of the name "Jesus".

You ask who taught me this. Forgot the term "tetragrammaton", as you are uncomfortable with it. I find in all my reference books on the Bible that Hebrew was written without vowels. That is why the name of God, as written in Hebrew, was just four letters, all consonants, "YHWH" in English letters. As I understand it, the forms "Yahweh" and "Jehovah" came about much later by some Jewish scribes adding vowels from the word "Adonai" ("Lord") to the four consonants.

I'll finish by asking you a question. Why are you so concerned about God's name in Hebrew? I don't know what your first language is - if it's not English, you write English very well. I don't imagine it is Hebrew. Why do you feel compelled only to address God in a Hebrew-based name? (I hope you won't be offended by my question, because I certainly don't mean to offend you.)

 

[DavidLamb]

Also David,

To continue the verses you quoted :

(Acts 16:32) And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.

(Acts 16:33) And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.

(Acts 16:34) And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.

So yeah, believing is a requirement to be saved, but so is being baptized, and being taught and understood the Scriptures, for Jesus Christ Himself quotes Isaiah and Jeremiah which is Old Testament, next to Psalms and Deuteronomy to prove that He is The Messiah.

A lil off topic, but quoting single verses from whole chapters is not a good idea, since it tends to leave it open to interpretation, out of it's original context.

So I do believe that in order to truly understand that our Lord Jesus is the Christ, we have to understand the Old Testament, since whenever the term 'scriptures' are used in the New Testament, it is referring to the Old Testament, NOT the New.

As you say, it's off-topic, but I would just say that the jailer was saved, then baptised. I agree that the Old Testament and the New go together, and both teach us about Jesus Christ. I used to have a book with the title, "Christ in all the Scriptures," which went through every Bible book, showing how each book said something about the Saviour.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Yes sir, that's why it's in EPUB. But I have noticed that some iPhones are unable to open this format.

I get most of it from an online website where you can download ALMOST any book from. This is the link :

https://z-library.im

Thank you very much, I look forward to reading it.

 

[DavidLamb]

In Scripture, to “call upon the name of the Lord” does not mean knowing how to pronounce God’s personal name; it means appealing to His authority, His character, and His power to act. In the ancient world, a person’s “name” represented who they were and the authority they They meant, by the law's authority carried, so calling on someone’s name was an act of trust and dependence. The Hebrew people refused to speak God’s covenant name, YHWH, yet they constantly “called upon the name of the Lord” because the phrase refers to seeking His help, not pronouncing His syllables. Jesus Himself taught us that the truest way to address God is simply “Father,” and when we call upon the Father, we are appealing to the One whose authority, mercy, and power stand behind every promise He has made.

Yes, it's rather like the way policemen here in the UK used to say, "Halt, in the name of the law!" They meant by the law's authority.