Once Saved Always Saved?

[Loved]

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I asked because there are several definitions, and just wasn't sure which was being used as more than one would have fit grammatically.






So you are saying, that our being Saved, is partially something we do?

How many of you that have so much to say about this subject are actually putting into practice the faith that you talk so much about? There are so many lost souls on the street, in the market places and in their homes that have not heard the gospel and all we do is talk, talk, talk. When is the last time that you committed an entire day, the whole day until your feet hurt, to minister the gospel to people you don't even know? How many have done that once a week and shared the gospel until you were too exhausted to take another step, but there was great joy in your heart?

Those that are taking this great salvation into the highways and byways and making a pathway with the gospel are the believers who are motivated by the love of God and worship God in Spirit and truth. They are not sitting on their 'duffers' in the comfortability of their friendships with others, or arguing doctrine nor are they settling on their lees (Zep 1:12) because they believe God and they know the One they believe and have an active faith toward seeking and saving that which is lost (Lk 19:10). They are not busy making provisions for their flesh with creature comforts but they are strong in grace and know that their feet are shod with the preparation of the gospel.

They are not strangers to winning the lost and turning many to righteousness because they have a fire in their bosom and a burning in their heart as they walk by faith and when you find these believers they are doing everything they can to seek and save the lost and building up the body of Christ. They are priceless believers and so valuable to God in the propagation of His righteousness and you will find them on their knees spending countless hours praying to the Lord of the harvest that He might send laborers into His field that is white and ready. They have a faith that can not be shaken nor is it passive concerning the love of God that gave His only begotten Son for the sins of the world. Is that how God would find you and I today if Jesus Christ came back?

[To all:
I would like to appologize for starting this post if it has offended anyone in any way.]


This is where I am two or three days a week, telling this small portion of the world about the greatest GIFT ever. (Depending on my work load and my schedule as a single parent.)


All I do is sow the seeds and GOD waters them. I see so many people say they accept CHRIST.

Then in a short period of time, they are living in a manner that suggests they are now denying CHRIST.

This was the reason for me starting this post. I was seeking some guidance.

I do believe JESUS said it best in Matthew 13, when HE told the parable about the farmer sowing seeds.

YOU CAN NOT LOSE SALVATION ...... SOME JUST DO NOT RECEIVE IT (for one reason or another)

So man does have a part in Salvation, we must receive it in order to have it. I know this will not sit well for most, but can it be proved wrong by GOD's word? [How about it JimmyDiggs, Zone, NotIbutChrist, Tribelman, and the many others who have made this post great and informational?]

God Bless and Thanks (for all the input, I still have more of these posts to study),
Nohwoter

 

[notIbutChrist]

I do believe the five points of Calvinism


I subscribe to the bible on matters of doctrine, as it is the inspired inerrent Word of God.

These two statements contradict each other

 

[jimmydiggs]

Calvin was an unrepentant murderer and a heretic.

I really don't know whether he was unrepentent or not, and I don't think you really know either. I'm curious though, I recall the history books saying it wasn't Calvin but rather a council that had Servetus killed because Servetus was teaching and preaching Christological heresies.

EDIT: I feel like I should add to this before it get's distorted. I believe the five points of Calvinism not because Calvin is attributed by name, but rather, that I find the bible forces me that direction.

Calvinism is heresy.

If it's wrong, yes it would be. If it's right, then Arminianism would be. I think, however, at this point you're just assuming the conclusion.

No one who truly understand grace or believe the Bible can honestly say they think Calvinism is scriptural.

Poisoning the Well.

Description of Poisoning the Well



This sort of "reasoning" involves trying to discredit what a person might later claim by presenting unfavorable information (be it true or false) about the person. This "argument" has the following form:

1. 
   <LI sb_id="ms__id952">Unfavorable information (be it true or false) about person A is presented.
2. Therefore any claims person A makes will be false.

Fallacy: Poisoning the Well <--- click

Calvinist do not really care about truth at all but the systematic false theology.

I do care about truth. That is why I am no longer an Arminian. As much as I wanted and tried to, I could not continue to believe the bible said I chose God, without denying the doctrine of Original Sin.

It is when I accepted Scripture for itself, that it was revealed that Calvinism is truer than I thought. I hated Calvinism. It was unfair. It was "an evil god". The god I loved wouldn't do that. That was right though, because the god I loved at that time didn't do that. It wasn't the God of all that is, the king of kings and the lord of lords. I had made for myself a Golden Calf.

Seeing as you have admitted your heretical beliefs, I do no think I need to continue this discussion, as I know you will not hear truth

It's probably a good thing I care more about you learning what is true, than you do of me. It requires a lot of hate to willingly and deliberately refrain from reaching out toward a person who is lost.


Thank you for your time though.

 

[jimmydiggs]

These two statements contradict each other

I fail to see how. Care to enligthen me?

 

[notIbutChrist]

I fail to see how. Care to enligthen me?

No i cannot enlighten you, because you are willfully blind. However the reason believing in calvinism and scripture are contradictory is because the bible opposes calvinism. You cannot believe Calvin and Christ.

 

[notIbutChrist]

Poisoning the Well.

Truth is hate to those that hate truth

 

[phil36]

No i cannot enlighten you, because you are willfully blind. However the reason believing in calvinism and scripture are contradictory is because the bible opposes calvinism. You cannot believe Calvin and Christ.

Thats an interesting statement to make notibutchrist. could you share with us why?

 

[notIbutChrist]

It's probably a good thing I care more about you learning what is true, than you do of me. It requires a lot of hate to willingly and deliberately refrain from reaching out toward a person who is lost.

Truth is hate to those that hate truth

Titus 3
10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.



You have admitted your heretical beliefs and shown an unwillingness to hear truth. According to scripture I should cut of any further conversation with you on the subject

 

[notIbutChrist]

Thats an interesting statement to make notibutchrist. could you share with us why?

Why...what?

 

[phil36]

Hi, you said this:

However the reason believing in calvinism and scripture are contradictory is because the bible opposes calvinism. You cannot believe Calvin and Christ.

I was just asking you to share how, what is Calvinism or to be more precise Reformed Theology, and what is that contradicts the bible? Do those of a Reformed Theology follow Calvin? or Christ? and can you provide your evidence. I am sure this would be very enlightening for us all.

Thanks.

 

[jimmydiggs]

No i cannot enlighten you, because you are willfully blind.

No, I was when I was an Arminian though. I camped out in the all verses until Ecclesiastes 1:2.

However the reason believing in calvinism and scripture are contradictory is because the bible opposes calvinism.

I have found the bible to be amazingly consistant with Calvinism.

You cannot believe Calvin and Christ.

I do.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Truth is hate to those that hate truth

That's is how I felt toward Calvinism for quite some time. I think Arminianism is an error, but I do not hate it.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Truth is hate to those that hate truth

Titus 3
10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

Thank you for verses.

You have admitted your heretical beliefs and shown an unwillingness to hear truth.

I'm willing to hear whatever you put forth. That is why I am responding to your posts after all.

According to scripture I should cut of any further conversation with you on the subject

What verse is that?

 

[jimmydiggs]

Thats an interesting statement to make notibutchrist. could you share with us why?

 

[phil36]

Thank You Jimmy.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Thank You Jimmy.

Glad to have ya' on board with the crew.

 

[phil36]

Aye aye Captain

 

[zone]

Aye aye Captain

phil!
missed ya mate.
good thread to see you on.

maybe we could talk a little Amillennialism while you're here.
love zone
(how's college?)

 

[Zilla64007]

Calvin was an unrepentant murderer and a heretic. Calvinism is heresy. No one who truly understand grace or believe the Bible can honestly say they think Calvinism is scriptural. Calvinist do not really care about truth at all but the systematic false theology. Seeing as you have admitted your heretical beliefs, I do no think I need to continue this discussion, as I know you will not hear truth

im with you on this

 

[phil36]

phil!
missed ya mate.
good thread to see you on.

maybe we could talk a little Amillennialism while you're here.
love zone
(how's college?)

Hi Zone, Thank you for the welcome, glad to be back on. Yeah study is going well, hard though lol. Ahh Amillennialism, very good topic indeed.