Was Judas Iscariot saved, or was he not?

[Godsgood]

As God (in other words, through His Deity), Jesus Christ could not die, be thirsty or hungry, be tired. As Man, Jesus Christ experienced all those and more. As God, Jesus Christ is omnipresent. As Man, He was not omnipresent, but travelled from place to place. Those are just examples of aspects of deity laid aside by the Lord Jesus Christ at His incarnation.

I think everything will become clearer once I share with you what God revealed about why the Lord Jesus said, “I and My Father are One.”

 

[Dino246]

If it were only up to me, I would never say that Jesus is not good.

So it is not I who said that He is not good; He Himself said it.

No, he did not. You have misunderstood His statement, and instead of accepting correction, you have doubled down.

 

[Dino246]

Could you give some examples of those aspects? Also, why would He set aside His deity, and what was His purpose in doing so?

He didn’t set aside His deity: He set aside certain aspects of His deity. Omnipresence and omnipotence are two examples.

Let us remember that the Lord Jesus' only purpose was to seek the lost sheep by revealing the truth to them.

That was not His only purpose.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Honestly, that's a sad response from you.

In Matthew 10, Jesus called his disciples and gave them power and authority and sent them to go spread the gospel and perform miracles.

Was Judas Iscariot part?

Just be open-minded, please.

I'm still waiting for you to explain the gospel. Judas is not here today, but you are.

 

[Dei-Gratia]

I don't really get you on "explaining the gospel".

But I'll say the Gospel is simply John 3v16

 

[Dino246]

I don't really get you on "explaining the gospel".

But I'll say the Gospel is simply John 3v16

There is far more to the gospel than John 3:16. This is made evident by many passages in Scripture such as Paul’s statements about obeying the gospel.

 

[Dei-Gratia]

There is far more to the gospel than John 3:16. This is made evident by many passages in Scripture such as Paul’s statements about obeying the gospel.

That's like saying there are more to the commandments than loving God with all your heart, mind.......and loving your neighbor as yourself.

John 3v16 summarizes everything likewise the two commandments.
How can I say I believe when I don't obey?

 

[John146]

How come Peter asked for forgiveness after he denied Jesus?

Asking for forgiveness because he denied the Lord is not the same as believing on the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus for sins.

 

[Dei-Gratia]

Asking for forgiveness because he denied the Lord is not the same as believing on the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus for sins.

How are they different?

 

[Dei-Gratia]

I'm still waiting for you to explain the gospel. Judas is not here today, but you are.

I don't really get you on "explaining the gospel".

But I'll say the Gospel is simply John 3v16

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

I don't really get you on "explaining the gospel".

But I'll say the Gospel is simply John 3v16

Amen!
Are you 100% sure that if something happens to you, even after committing a big sin, that you would go to Heaven?

 

[BlessedIndeed]

ONLY GOD KNOWS HIS HEART ,HE MAY HAVE NOT BEEN OR MAY HAVE BEEN A BACKSLIDDER ,

 

[Dei-Gratia]

Amen!
Are you 100% sure that if something happens to you, even after committing a big sin, that you would go to Heaven?

Amen!
Are you 100% sure that if something happens to you, even after committing a big sin, that you would go to Heaven?

Who will know my last words likewise the criminal on the cross?

Though, Judas Iscariot died an unpleasant death but let's leave judgement to God.

 

[Godsgood]

Well, Jesus explained to Philip that seeing Him (Jesus) is the same as seeing the Father, thus showing the closest of bonds between Jesus Christ and Hid heavenly Father. If, when I was a boy, a schoolfriend had asked my what my dad was like, I wouldn't have been able to say, "You've seen me, so that shows you what my dad is like." Yes, I was tall like my dad, but there were many ways in which he and I were different. Jesus could say it, though, because both He and the Father are fully God.

Since you have already given an example about earthly things, perhaps this will help explain what you mean by why the Lord said, "Show us the Father."
The Lord Jesus also said, "I have spoken to you about earthly things so that you may understand heavenly things."
JOHN 3:12
12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

Since you have already given an example using earthly things.
Let me also give an example about earthly things.

Suppose you are a student and a group of teachers said to you, "Show us your father."
Wouldn't you do one of two things?
Either you would bring your father to your school, or you would bring the group of teachers to your father.
But if your answer to them, "You've seen me, so that shows you what my dad is like. Yes, I was tall like my dad,"
I don't know if they would not fail you in your subject on good manners and right conduct (GMRC).

 

[John146]

How are they different?

Can a person ask God for forgiveness, even though there has never been a time when they received Jesus Christ as Savior? In my view, eternal salvation was made available after the cross. Where those OT saints forgiven through animal sacrifices?

 

[Dei-Gratia]

Can a person ask God for forgiveness, even though there has never been a time when they received Jesus Christ as Savior? In my view, eternal salvation was made available after the cross. Where those OT saints forgiven through animal sacrifices?

What about the criminal on the cross?

 

[Godsgood]

I think you are making too much of Patrick's illustration. I dd say that it is not a perfect illustration of the Trinity. But the shamrock leaf is one leaf yet has three parts.

I am not sure why you are talking about heads and bodies with regard to God. God is a spiritual being. Yes, Jesus Christ took human flesh at His incarnation, but God the Father has no physical body, nor does the Holy Spirit.

You ask me to describe how the three are one. I would say that it is beyond what a mere human being is able to do. All I can do is to point to Scripture. Jesus Christ said:

(Joh 10:30 NKJV) "I and My Father are one."

Peter, speaking to Ananias, equated lying to the Holy Spirit to lying to God:

(Act 5:3-4 NKJV) But Peter said, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself? While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God."

I just want to emphasize this:
The Lord Jesus said, "I have spoken to you about earthly things so that you may better understand heavenly things."
JOHN 3:12
12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

When it comes to earthly matters, if you answer your math teacher that 3 equals 1, you will fail the subject.
Therefore, if someone says that 3 equals 1 in heavenly matters, the Lord Jesus would not accept it.
For the Lord Jesus will never contradict what He Himself declared to the Apostle John in John 3:12.
That is why He had it written by the Apostle John, to serve as a basis or standard for understanding.

 

[Dino246]

I just want to emphasize this:
The Lord Jesus said, "I have spoken to you about earthly things so that you may better understand heavenly things."
JOHN 3:12
12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

You have completely misunderstood what Jesus said. Perhaps you should use a modern translation that doesn’t obscure meaning behind archaic language.

 

[Leod7777]

LUKE 6:12-16

12 And it came to pass in those days, that he went out into a mountain to pray, and continued all night in prayer to God.

13 And when it was day, he called unto him his disciples: and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles;

14 Simon, (whom he also named Peter,) and Andrew his brother, James and John, Philip and Bartholomew,

15 Matthew and Thomas, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon called Zelotes,

16 And Judas the brother of James, and Judas Iscariot, which also was the traitor.

Yes, he will have a chance to repent at a physical resurrection.

 

[Leod7777]

Jesus said Judas was unclean, and a devil, and not believing (which Jesus
knew from the beginning). Some interpret that to mean he was saved.

No, he was not saved at that time, but he will have a chance to repent when he is resurrected to a physical state again.