Daniel's 1260 vs. 1290 vs. 1335 vs. 2300 Days

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We are instructed to read the Book of Daniel to understand. It just so happens that one of the most important verses to unraveling the mystery of the Abomination of Desolation is in Daniel 11:31:

Daniel 11:31 - And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

OK, so now we have one of the verses that Jesus was referencing. My question to you is how do you interpret the verse just prior?

Daniel 11:30 - For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.

If you are going to 'tell me' what the Abomination of Desolation is or is not, then surely you know precisely what the ships of Chittim are. You should also know who 'he' is and why 'he' is grieved. In fact, you should be able to break the verse into sections and interpret every bit of it with precision like I can.

Can you do that for me? Can anyone here do that? I am throwing this out as a challenge to anyone reading. All of you here need to prove that you have Daniel 11 interpreted properly before I, or anyone else for that matter, can believe what you say.
The thing is - I do not believe you have properly interpreted Daniel 11 - so, I can only believe a limited portion of what you say...

(We do agree on some things - just not everything.)

As to the ships of Chittim - how about this [bit of a hint]:

"Gaius Popillius Laenas drew a circle around Antiochus IV Epiphanes in the sand..."
 
"The "fantasy" that I am referring to is believing that 'pre-trib' [anything] is [even] possible when it is very easily shown to be literally impossible in scripture.

The "fantasy" is not being willing to let go of the complicated/complex invention that is 'pre-trib rapture' in order to see the simple painfully-obvious unmistakable truth that is clearly present in scripture."


The pre-Tribulation harpazo is among the clearest, most definitive, and most firmly established doctrines in all of Scripture. It is thoroughly biblical—absolute boilerplate.
"Thaaat's niiice..."

However, the Olivet Discourse is a million times more clear and definitive - the 'great tribulation' referred to by Jesus in Matthew 24:21 began circa 70 A.D. - because, Matthew 24:15-20 / Mark 13:14-18 / Luke 21:20-23a unmistakably refer to the days of the events associated with the desolation of Jerusalem in 70 A.D.
 

Ecclesiastes 1​

9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
 
"Thaaat's niiice..."

However, the Olivet Discourse is a million times more clear and definitive - the 'great tribulation' referred to by Jesus in Matthew 24:21 began circa 70 A.D. - because, Matthew 24:15-20 / Mark 13:14-18 / Luke 21:20-23a unmistakably refer to the days of the events associated with the desolation of Jerusalem in 70 A.D.
My posts on the matter of the structure of Luke 21 are available on this thread.
And they resoundingly debunk your thesis.
 
In his timeline, this rebuilt Babylon will become the headquarters of the Antichrist's global empire.

I tried making a thread on Mystery Babylon a few weeks ago, but it was never approved. It was subsequently deleted.
 
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What seems to be certain from history is that Antiochus IV Epiphanes accomplished all of what is described in Daniel 11:31 in 167 B.C.

If that is the case, then it contradicts what you said here:

...the 'great tribulation' referred to by Jesus in Matthew 24:21 began circa 70 A.D. - because, Matthew 24:15-20 / Mark 13:14-18 / Luke 21:20-23a unmistakably refer to the days of the events associated with the desolation of Jerusalem in 70 A.D.

So according to you, the desolation of Jerusalem began here:

Daniel 11:31 - And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

167 BC is not 70 AD.
 
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As to the ships of Chittim - how about this [bit of a hint]:

"Gaius Popillius Laenas drew a circle around Antiochus IV Epiphanes in the sand..."

I addressed this in post #31...


Here is a snippet:

Daniel 11:18 breakdown and commentary:

…but a prince for his own behalf shall cause the reproach offered by him to cease…:
This was viewed as a 'reproach' or insolence by the Roman Republic. As a result, the Roman ambassador Gaius Popillius Laenas famously forced Antiochus to withdraw his forces by drawing a circle in the sand around the king, demanding a withdrawal before he stepped out.

That was way back in Daniel 11:18.
 
If that is the case, then it contradicts what you said here:



So according to you, the desolation of Jerusalem began here:



167 BC is not 70 AD.
No contradiction. None whatsoever.

Daniel 11:31 is describing the one-and-only real-and-true actual bona fide Abomination of Desolation ['event'] - which was instigated by Antiochus IV Epiphanes in 167 B.C.

There was no prophetic 'Abomination of Desolation' that occurred circa 70 A.D. - nor did there need to be - this is what you need to understand.

The Olivet Discourse does not predict a future 'Abomination of Desolation' like most people think (and, it never did).

It has been misinterpreted to the extreme.

You MUST properly understand what the parenthetical phrases in Matthew 24:15 / Mark 13:14 are telling you or you will vastly misinterpret it - every - single - time.

Please see:

 
Jerusalem was in fact desolated in 167 B.C.
Jerusalem was in fact desolated in 70 A.D.

However, the one-and-only real-and-true actual bona fide [prophetic] 'Abomination of Desolation' occurred in 167 B.C.

What you see in the Olivet Discourse is only a reference being made to the occurrence in 167 B.C. - not a prediction about a future 'Abomination of Desolation' occurrence.
 
There was no prophetic 'Abomination of Desolation' that occurred circa 70 A.D. - nor did there need to be - this is what you need to understand.
Nor does there need to be a future 'Abomination of Desolation' occurrence.

The prophetic requirement has been met - it has been fulfilled - all that is left is to properly interpret what the Bible is actually saying.
 
"Thaaat's niiice..."

However, the Olivet Discourse is a million times more clear and definitive - the 'great tribulation' referred to by Jesus in Matthew 24:21 began circa 70 A.D. - because, Matthew 24:15-20 / Mark 13:14-18 / Luke 21:20-23a unmistakably refer to the days of the events associated with the desolation of Jerusalem in 70 A.D.
The Second Coming occurred shortly after 70AD?

Not so you would notice.
Your theory is hogwash and effortlessly debunked.

Mat 24:29 - Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
 
I don't believe anyone has Daniel properly interpreted one hundred percent, that includes me. I do believe however that I am closer than anyone so far by a very large margin. The reason is because I have painstakingly gone over the Book of Daniel, verse by verse, to verify who has the most accurate commentaries. It turns out that most of these so called "scholars" are just parroting whatever others are saying. They are a bunch of copycats that never bothered to double check their work. As a result, their interpretations contradict many passages in the rest of the Bible.
Yet, that is exactly what you are doing if you are depending on the opinions of others to determine your own opinion.

Don't be a copycat - be original - stop researching commentaries and start researching history. Yes, it is more difficult (commentaries are the "easy route" to take); however, it usually always yields a more accurate result if you can get closer to the actual facts. In general - the more 'facts' you look at - and, the less 'opinions' of others about those facts you look at - the better.

I believe the vast majority of biblical commentaries are flawed. Why? Because, the person who wrote it assumes things that the Bible does not actually say. And, this is the great 'tragedy' where commentaries are concerned.

One of the best examples of this is the 'pre-trib' rapture belief - people assume it as the core truth and wrap the entire Bible around it - happens every day - people ignoring the simple straight-forward direct truth(s) that the Bible does say.

Do yourself a big favor - stay away from commentaries - at least for the most part. Yes, they are sometimes useful for certain things - but, for the most part, they tend to get in the way of truth.

I suggest that it sometimes takes greater discernment to read a commentary than it does to read the Bible - partially because we know every word of the Bible is true - and, that cannot be assumed with regard to a commentary.

It is an absolute atrocity what the interpreters have done with Daniel, so yeah, it kind of makes me mad that we have all been lied to in such a huge manner and yet no one is doing anything to make corrections except me apparently. I have the world's most thankless job right now.
The proper 'correction' is simply to interpret it properly - which many do not want to do - because, they are happy with what they have been fed...
 
Do yourself a big favor - stay away from commentaries - at least for the most part. Yes, they are sometimes useful for certain things - but, for the most part, they tend to get in the way of truth.

I suggest that it sometimes takes greater discernment to read a commentary than it does to read the Bible - partially because we know every word of the Bible is true - and, that cannot be assumed with regard to a commentary.
My advice - be careful - do not ever let anything become more 'core' than the Bible when it comes to the search for truth.

Commentaries have a way of "slipping into the conscience" of folks and supplanting the Bible without them realizing it.
 

Ecclesiastes 1​

9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
Still hoping and praying and wishing that this would sink in are you? :D :giggle:
 
When reading into history, a lot of research or discernment is necessary. Depending on who wrote the history, the narrative can be totally different, opposite.