What seems to be certain from history is that Antiochus IV Epiphanes accomplished all of what is described in Daniel 11:31 in 167 B.C.One thing is certain. None of them are Antiochus IV Epiphanes.
What seems to be certain from history is that Antiochus IV Epiphanes accomplished all of what is described in Daniel 11:31 in 167 B.C.One thing is certain. None of them are Antiochus IV Epiphanes.
The thing is - I do not believe you have properly interpreted Daniel 11 - so, I can only believe a limited portion of what you say...We are instructed to read the Book of Daniel to understand. It just so happens that one of the most important verses to unraveling the mystery of the Abomination of Desolation is in Daniel 11:31:
Daniel 11:31 - And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
OK, so now we have one of the verses that Jesus was referencing. My question to you is how do you interpret the verse just prior?
Daniel 11:30 - For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.
If you are going to 'tell me' what the Abomination of Desolation is or is not, then surely you know precisely what the ships of Chittim are. You should also know who 'he' is and why 'he' is grieved. In fact, you should be able to break the verse into sections and interpret every bit of it with precision like I can.
Can you do that for me? Can anyone here do that? I am throwing this out as a challenge to anyone reading. All of you here need to prove that you have Daniel 11 interpreted properly before I, or anyone else for that matter, can believe what you say.
"Thaaat's niiice...""The "fantasy" that I am referring to is believing that 'pre-trib' [anything] is [even] possible when it is very easily shown to be literally impossible in scripture.
The "fantasy" is not being willing to let go of the complicated/complex invention that is 'pre-trib rapture' in order to see the simple painfully-obvious unmistakable truth that is clearly present in scripture."
The pre-Tribulation harpazo is among the clearest, most definitive, and most firmly established doctrines in all of Scripture. It is thoroughly biblical—absolute boilerplate.
My posts on the matter of the structure of Luke 21 are available on this thread."Thaaat's niiice..."
However, the Olivet Discourse is a million times more clear and definitive - the 'great tribulation' referred to by Jesus in Matthew 24:21 began circa 70 A.D. - because, Matthew 24:15-20 / Mark 13:14-18 / Luke 21:20-23a unmistakably refer to the days of the events associated with the desolation of Jerusalem in 70 A.D.
In his timeline, this rebuilt Babylon will become the headquarters of the Antichrist's global empire.
What seems to be certain from history is that Antiochus IV Epiphanes accomplished all of what is described in Daniel 11:31 in 167 B.C.
...the 'great tribulation' referred to by Jesus in Matthew 24:21 began circa 70 A.D. - because, Matthew 24:15-20 / Mark 13:14-18 / Luke 21:20-23a unmistakably refer to the days of the events associated with the desolation of Jerusalem in 70 A.D.
Daniel 11:31 - And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
As to the ships of Chittim - how about this [bit of a hint]:
"Gaius Popillius Laenas drew a circle around Antiochus IV Epiphanes in the sand..."
Daniel 11:18 - After this shall he turn his face unto the isles, and shall take many: but a prince for his own behalf shall cause the reproach offered by him to cease; without his own reproach he shall cause it to turn upon him.
Daniel 11:18 breakdown and commentary:
…but a prince for his own behalf shall cause the reproach offered by him to cease…:
This was viewed as a 'reproach' or insolence by the Roman Republic. As a result, the Roman ambassador Gaius Popillius Laenas famously forced Antiochus to withdraw his forces by drawing a circle in the sand around the king, demanding a withdrawal before he stepped out.
No contradiction. None whatsoever.If that is the case, then it contradicts what you said here:
So according to you, the desolation of Jerusalem began here:
167 BC is not 70 AD.
Daniel 11:31 is describing the one-and-only real-and-true actual bona fide Abomination of Desolation ['event'] - which was instigated by Antiochus IV Epiphanes in 167 B.C.
Nor does there need to be a future 'Abomination of Desolation' occurrence.There was no prophetic 'Abomination of Desolation' that occurred circa 70 A.D. - nor did there need to be - this is what you need to understand.
The Second Coming occurred shortly after 70AD?"Thaaat's niiice..."
However, the Olivet Discourse is a million times more clear and definitive - the 'great tribulation' referred to by Jesus in Matthew 24:21 began circa 70 A.D. - because, Matthew 24:15-20 / Mark 13:14-18 / Luke 21:20-23a unmistakably refer to the days of the events associated with the desolation of Jerusalem in 70 A.D.
Yet, that is exactly what you are doing if you are depending on the opinions of others to determine your own opinion.I don't believe anyone has Daniel properly interpreted one hundred percent, that includes me. I do believe however that I am closer than anyone so far by a very large margin. The reason is because I have painstakingly gone over the Book of Daniel, verse by verse, to verify who has the most accurate commentaries. It turns out that most of these so called "scholars" are just parroting whatever others are saying. They are a bunch of copycats that never bothered to double check their work. As a result, their interpretations contradict many passages in the rest of the Bible.
The proper 'correction' is simply to interpret it properly - which many do not want to do - because, they are happy with what they have been fed...It is an absolute atrocity what the interpreters have done with Daniel, so yeah, it kind of makes me mad that we have all been lied to in such a huge manner and yet no one is doing anything to make corrections except me apparently. I have the world's most thankless job right now.
My advice - be careful - do not ever let anything become more 'core' than the Bible when it comes to the search for truth.Do yourself a big favor - stay away from commentaries - at least for the most part. Yes, they are sometimes useful for certain things - but, for the most part, they tend to get in the way of truth.
I suggest that it sometimes takes greater discernment to read a commentary than it does to read the Bible - partially because we know every word of the Bible is true - and, that cannot be assumed with regard to a commentary.
And, for as long as it remains 'discussion' (not argument), it can get even more interesting...Very interesting discussions
Still hoping and praying and wishing that this would sink in are you?Ecclesiastes 1
9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
The only 'structure' that matters is how the three accounts of the Olivet Discourse align with each other. And, you can see that here:My posts on the matter of the structure of Luke 21 are available on this thread.