I am not the one that is allergic to "before", and "normal life", or trying to make a case for half the world is saved in a theory over some postrib doctrinal prism
You guys own that.
The Church, and Israel and the Last Days.
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You guys own that.
Your post
"You’re trying to force Noah, Lot, and the Second Coming into a single “rapture template,” but Jesus never uses them that way.
In Noah’s day, the ones taken are the wicked swept away by water.
In Lot’s day, the ones taken are the wicked consumed by fire.
In Christ’s return, the wicked are removed by the brightness of His coming.
These are judgment removals, not rapture removals.
Jesus is teaching how judgment falls, not when believers are gathered"
You were sayin?
LOL! You're the ONLY one who's ever mentioned "half the world" with your 50/50 talk throughout every conversation. I'm only allergic to your one word, two word, and 50/50 answers.
It's time for me to bow out and move on to a productive conversation where people understand what's being communicated.
Have a good day, Psalm1. Good Luck and God Bless!
haha again you need to go back to grammar class dude.
Taken, removed, wiped away,
who is left after this wiping away? Hum...
LOL! This is a prime example of how you didn't understand one word in OMC's post there.
OMC is telling you the DIFFERENCE between a judgement event and a rapture event and you read it all as the same rapture event.
The Covenant in the OT was for the purpose of bring the Messiah into the world.. that purpose has been completed.
Salvation was the same in both the OT and NT. Except those who lived by faith in the OT had to wait for the promise to be fulfilled.
No one was saved by ethnicity or the law.
Lol!!
He has the wicked man rapture in full view.
He is saying nothing of Lot removed.
He is saying the wicked are removed.
( how lame is that to say both are removed???)
This is a prime example of how you did not know what was said.
You stroked his back prematurely
Yes, salvation has always been by faith — Abraham, David, Ruth, Isaiah, all were justified by trusting God’s promise — but that does not mean the Old‑Covenant ekklesia and the New‑Covenant ekklesia are the same covenant community.
The OT covenant was indeed the messianic pipeline (Rom 9:4–5), but it was also a national, ethnic, Torah‑bound structure (Exod 19; Deut 4) that created a real, historical distinction between Israel and the nations (Eph 2:12).
That covenant is now obsolete and vanished (Heb 8:13), its law‑nation no longer the covenant people (Rom 10:4), and the NT ekklesia is a new humanity (Eph 2:15) made of Jew and Gentile without ethnic or legal privilege (Gal 3:28).
Saying “salvation was the same” does not erase the fact that the covenant structure was different: OT saints were saved by faith in the promise, but they lived inside a covenant that separated Israel from the nations; NT saints are saved by faith in the fulfilled Christ and live inside a covenant that unites Jew and Gentile into one body.
That’s why the prophets never describe two Israels being sorted by geography or pilgrimage — they describe the wicked vs. the righteous, and the NT defines the one people of God as those in Christ, not those in a political state.
Wow you are a lot of work!
Lot was taken by the hand and led to safty by the Angel,
Those left behind in the cities were TAKEN BY FIRE, TAKEN, REMOVED, NOT REPTURED, REMOVED!
Its how the greek describe the event but you would know that if you understood grammar and syntax.
Ok.
maybe someone can communicate a dictionary to you.
A good conversation, more productive, may include a debate over the meaning of half stayed and half left.
( 50 - 50 bizarre paranoia).
Jesus said it.
I only report it to your detriment.
I know it is difficult getting your sacred cows blown apart.
Have a good day and God bless!
It is impossible to hold an intelligent conversation with you. I bid you good day.
No, what we was pointing out to you is that NEITHER Lot or Noah were the ones removed from the earth, the rest of the people in Sodom & Gomorrah were the ones being removed from the earth.
A rapture is an event where people are removed from the earth.
Two separate events. Two different ways. One was removal for judgement. The other is a removal for salvation.