Revelation 19- A major Key to understanding Revelations

[OMC]

Paul does state that the Gentiles could be cast out, and the natural branch be reinstated.

Notice that it was necessary for preachers to exist under Pauline teachings and the first Covenant, but no so for the second Covenant.

Rom 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Paul’s warning that Gentiles can be “cut off” and Israel “grafted in again” (Rom 11:20–23) is not a prediction of a future ethnic kingdom but a covenant‑logic statement about faith, not national status—the branches are individuals responding to Christ, not geopolitical entities; and when you contrast Romans 10:14 with Jeremiah 31:33–34, you’re actually proving the apostolic point, because Paul is describing the present age, where preaching is necessary for faith, while Jeremiah is describing the eschatological consummation, where the knowledge of God is immediate, universal, and Spirit‑written, meaning Jer 31 is not a description of a future ethnic‑Israel millennium but the final state of the New Covenant people, fulfilled in Christ and completed at His return; the NT repeatedly applies Jer 31 to the church (Heb 8, Heb 10) and never postpones it to a tribal restoration, because the “house of Israel” language is covenantal, not ethnic, and the apostles treat the New Covenant as already inaugurated, already operative, and already forming one unified people in Christ; therefore the absence of teachers in Jer 31 is not evidence of a future Israel‑only kingdom but evidence of the end of the age, when preaching ceases because sight replaces faith, and the entire redeemed community—Jew and Gentile—knows the Lord directly

 

[Revelation1v8]

I see no mention of a thousand year shabbat in those verses. But there seems to be a lot of activity. There will be no Satan. I personally believe there will be no earthly people, especially since the remnant has been killed, therefore no need of Satan's presence.

Notice Zechariah 7:12 speaking of the horses. Many people would say it is a metaphor for mechanical transportation. I would say it would be the only mode of transportation for a land that sat desolate for a thousand years, and for a people that had no knowledge of modern transportation.

Isa 6:11 Then said I, Lord, how long? And he answered, Until the cities be wasted without inhabitant, and the houses without man, and the land be utterly desolate,

Isa 24:1 Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.

Isa 24:19-21 The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly. The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again. And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.

Isa 26:19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

Isa 49:8 Thus saith the LORD, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages;

Isa 49:17-23 Thy children shall make haste; thy destroyers and they that made thee waste shall go forth of thee. Lift up thine eyes round about, and behold: all these gather themselves together, and come to thee. As I live, saith the LORD, thou shalt surely clothe thee with them all, as with an ornament, and bind them on thee, as a bride doeth. For thy waste and thy desolate places, and the land of thy destruction, shall even now be too narrow by reason of the inhabitants, and they that swallowed thee up shall be far away. The children which thou shalt have, after thou hast lost the other, shall say again in thine ears, The place is too strait for me: give place to me that I may dwell. Then shalt thou say in thine heart, Who hath begotten me these, seeing I have lost my children, and am desolate, a captive, and removing to and fro? and who hath brought up these? Behold, I was left alone; these, where had they been? Thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I will lift up mine hand to the Gentiles, and set up my standard to the people: and they shall bring thy sons in their arms, and thy daughters shall be carried upon their shoulders. And kings shall be thy nursing fathers, and their queens thy nursing mothers: they shall bow down to thee with their face toward the earth, and lick up the dust of thy feet; and thou shalt know that I am the LORD: for they shall not be ashamed that wait for me.

Isa 51:3 For the LORD shall comfort Zion: he will comfort all her waste places; and he will make her wilderness like Eden, and her desert like the garden of the LORD; joy and gladness shall be found therein, thanksgiving, and the voice of melody.

Isa 61:4 And they shall build the old wastes, they shall raise up the former desolations, and they shall repair the waste cities, the desolations of many generations.
Isa 65:20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
Jer 4:23-28 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light. I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger. For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end. For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black: because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.

Jer 4:29 The whole city shall flee for the noise of the horsemen and bowmen; they shall go into thickets, and climb up upon the rocks: every city shall be forsaken, and not a man dwell therein.

Jer 7:34 Then will I cause to cease from the cities of Judah, and from the streets of Jerusalem, the voice of mirth, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride: for the land shall be desolate.

Eze 36:4 Therefore, ye mountains of Israel, hear the word of the Lord GOD; Thus saith the Lord GOD to the mountains, and to the hills, to the rivers, and to the valleys, to the desolate wastes, and to the cities that are forsaken, which became a prey and derision to the residue of the heathen that are round about;

Eze 36:10 And I will multiply men upon you, all the house of Israel, even all of it: and the cities shall be inhabited, and the wastes shall be builded:

Eze 36:33 Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the day that I shall have cleansed you from all your iniquities I will also cause you to dwell in the cities, and the wastes shall be builded.

Lev 26:31 And I will make your cities waste, and bring your sanctuaries unto desolation, and I will not smell the savour of your sweet odours.

Lev 26:34-35 Then shall the land enjoy her sabbaths, as long as it lieth desolate, and ye be in your enemies' land; even then shall the land rest, and enjoy her sabbaths. As long as it lieth desolate it shall rest; because it did not rest in your sabbaths, when ye dwelt upon it.

etc, etc, etc.

Yes, the battle of Armageddon will happen before Jesus returns and rebuilds the land like Isaiah 51:3 shows.

The only literal mention of the 1,000 years is in Revelation 20 and you have to refer back to the Old Testament and Isaiah 65 to see where people are living much longer lives (living as long as a tree) and those who die at 100 years old are considered just a child who are considered accursed. The 1,000 years will be a time of peace where it shows that Jesus will make the waste land habitable again for them to flourish like the verse you posted above in Isaiah 51:3 and the ones I show you in Zechariah 12.

 

[Revelation1v8]

Your entire push assumes that Acts 1:6–7 proves the disciples were correct in expecting a geopolitical restoration of ethnic Israel, but the text shows the opposite—Jesus refuses their framework, redirects them to the Spirit’s global mission, and never affirms a future national kingdom; the NT repeatedly shows the disciples misunderstanding the nature of the kingdom before Pentecost, and Acts itself demonstrates that once the Spirit comes, their theology shifts from ethnic restoration to worldwide ingathering under the risen Christ; prophetic telescoping is real, but the apostles consistently telescope toward Christ, not toward a revived tribal monarchy, and the “blindness” of Israel in Romans 11 is not a divine promise of a future ethnic kingdom but a temporary hardening that results in the salvation of the full number of the elect—Jew and Gentile together—so the question “why would Christians care?” misses the point, because the issue is not emotional preference but apostolic hermeneutics: the NT never re‑opens an ethnic land program, never re‑establishes tribal identity, never predicts a future Jewish‑only kingdom, and never treats the millennium as a second phase of Israel’s national story; instead, it treats the millennium as the reign of the already‑enthroned Christ over the one people of God, the same unified body Paul describes in Ephesians 2, where the dividing wall is already broken and the promises already belong to those in Christ

Come on! You're inserting your own bias again when you say that Jesus refuses the Disciples framework in Acts 1:6-7. He doesn't refuse it, it only tells them that they are not the ones who will know the time or the season in which it will happen. Of course Jesus is going to redirect them back to the global mission of the Holy Spirit because that's the new framework that Jesus started for His church until He returns. The same framework that's going on today, but that's not the framework that will last forever, and the Bible shows you that if you're being honest with yourself.

 

[OMC]

Come on! You're inserting your own bias again when you say that Jesus refuses the Disciples framework in Acts 1:6-7. He doesn't refuse it, it only tells them that they are not the ones who will know the time or the season in which it will happen. Of course Jesus is going to redirect them back to the global mission of the Holy Spirit because that's the new framework that Jesus started for His church until He returns. The same framework that's going on today, but that's not the framework that will last forever, and the Bible shows you that if you're being honest with yourself.

You’re right that Jesus doesn’t say, “Your framework is heresy, drop it”—but He also doesn’t say, “Yes, you’ve got the kingdom concept right, just wrong timing.”
In Acts 1:6 the disciples are still thinking in terms of a national, political restoration of Israel’s sovereignty, as even conservative commentators note—“their minds were still full of a temporal kingdom…in which the Jews should have dominion over all nations.” Jesus’ reply does two things at once: He blocks their attempt to locate the kingdom in a dated, geopolitical event (“not for you to know times or seasons”) and immediately reorients them to a Spirit‑empowered, global witness (“you will be my witnesses…to the ends of the earth”). That’s not just “you don’t get to know when”; it’s “you’re asking the wrong kind of kingdom question.”
The NT then consistently develops that trajectory—already‑inaugurated, globally expanding, Christ‑centered rule—rather than returning to a tribal land program. So yes, Acts 1 is about timing, but it’s also about reframing the kingdom itself, and again, that’s the hermeneutical hinge I’m pressing on and you are intentionally ignoring.
Saying “bias” doesn’t fix the exegetical problem, because Acts 1:6–7 itself shows a mismatch between the disciples’ category of kingdom and Jesus’ category of kingdom; they ask about restoring a national monarchy, Jesus answers with expanding a Spirit‑driven global mission, and that shift of category is baked into the text whether you or I like it; He doesn’t say “yes, but later,” He says “the Father’s timing is not for you” and immediately replaces their expectation with the framework of Spirit‑empowered witness — which is not a delay of their model but a correction of it; the NT then consistently builds on that reorientation, not on a postponed ethnic kingdom, and that’s not bias — that’s following the apostolic trajectory.

 

[Revelation1v8]

Your entire push assumes that Acts 1:6–7 proves the disciples were correct in expecting a geopolitical restoration of ethnic Israel, but the text shows the opposite—Jesus refuses their framework, redirects them to the Spirit’s global mission, and never affirms a future national kingdom; the NT repeatedly shows the disciples misunderstanding the nature of the kingdom before Pentecost, and Acts itself demonstrates that once the Spirit comes, their theology shifts from ethnic restoration to worldwide ingathering under the risen Christ; prophetic telescoping is real, but the apostles consistently telescope toward Christ, not toward a revived tribal monarchy, and the “blindness” of Israel in Romans 11 is not a divine promise of a future ethnic kingdom but a temporary hardening that results in the salvation of the full number of the elect—Jew and Gentile together—so the question “why would Christians care?” misses the point, because the issue is not emotional preference but apostolic hermeneutics: the NT never re‑opens an ethnic land program, never re‑establishes tribal identity, never predicts a future Jewish‑only kingdom, and never treats the millennium as a second phase of Israel’s national story; instead, it treats the millennium as the reign of the already‑enthroned Christ over the one people of God, the same unified body Paul describes in Ephesians 2, where the dividing wall is already broken and the promises already belong to those in Christ

And while you mention that the Disciples then go on to focus on a worldwide ingathering, why do you think Jesus always stayed back and said that He only came for the lost sheep of Israel in Matthew 15:24? Paul tells you why in Romans 15:8 why.

Romans 15:8 - Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:

And no matter how much you want to rebuke that, there is NO getting around what Jesus told His disciples in Luke 24:44.

Luke 24:44 - And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

 

[Revelation1v8]

You’re right that Jesus doesn’t say, “Your framework is heresy, drop it”—but He also doesn’t say, “Yes, you’ve got the kingdom concept right, just wrong timing.”
In Acts 1:6 the disciples are still thinking in terms of a national, political restoration of Israel’s sovereignty, as even conservative commentators note—“their minds were still full of a temporal kingdom…in which the Jews should have dominion over all nations.” Jesus’ reply does two things at once: He blocks their attempt to locate the kingdom in a dated, geopolitical event (“not for you to know times or seasons”) and immediately reorients them to a Spirit‑empowered, global witness (“you will be my witnesses…to the ends of the earth”). That’s not just “you don’t get to know when”; it’s “you’re asking the wrong kind of kingdom question.”
The NT then consistently develops that trajectory—already‑inaugurated, globally expanding, Christ‑centered rule—rather than returning to a tribal land program. So yes, Acts 1 is about timing, but it’s also about reframing the kingdom itself, and again, that’s the hermeneutical hinge I’m pressing on and you are intentionally ignoring.
Saying “bias” doesn’t fix the exegetical problem, because Acts 1:6–7 itself shows a mismatch between the disciples’ category of kingdom and Jesus’ category of kingdom; they ask about restoring a national monarchy, Jesus answers with expanding a Spirit‑driven global mission, and that shift of category is baked into the text whether you or I like it; He doesn’t say “yes, but later,” He says “the Father’s timing is not for you” and immediately replaces their expectation with the framework of Spirit‑empowered witness — which is not a delay of their model but a correction of it; the NT then consistently builds on that reorientation, not on a postponed ethnic kingdom, and that’s not bias — that’s following the apostolic trajectory.

Maybe you're just overlooking other verses in the New Testament:

• Acts 3:19-21: Peter speaks of the times of refreshing and the restoration of all things, which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets, linking Jesus’ return to this restoration.
  Acts 15:16-17: James cites Amos 9:11-12, stating that after the Gentiles are gathered, God will rebuild the tabernacle of David so that the rest of men may seek the Lord, implying the political and national restoration of Israel.
• Matthew 19:28: Jesus tells His disciples that in the regeneration (or restoration), they will sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel, implying a restored national entity under Messiah’s rule.
  
  
  

 

[Gideon300]

Didn't you read my post? I mean all of it....
Looking up the references too?
Because I don't think you did.

I Didn't quote anything from SDA theologies or EGW writings.
Nowhere does the bible say the 1,000 year reign is on earth. But several places it is shown the earth is completely emptied of all life when Jesus comes. I gave those texts above. You have ignored them.

Is the earth emptied of all life right before Jesus comes? Then why does He come anyway? Some people are still alive when He gets here. Some are raised from the dead. ALL of His people are taken to heaven to His Father's house of many mansions.

So who is left alive on earth?

Isaiah and Jeremiah must be lying in Isa chapter 24; Jer. 4:23-29 for the earth to be populated by humans during the 1,000 years.

"When the thousand years are complete, Satan will be released from his prison, and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—to assemble them for battle. Their number is like the sand of the seashore.…" Revelation 20:7

If there is no human life on earth, where do the vast numbers of people who oppose God come from? What you are reading in Isaiah happens at the end of the 1,000 years, not before. That's why there will be a new heavens and a new earth. Otherwise, what is the point of the 1,000 reign of Christ if there is nothing to reign over?

 

[tttallison]

Your entire push assumes that Acts 1:6–7 proves the disciples were correct in expecting a geopolitical restoration of ethnic Israel, but the text shows the opposite—Jesus refuses their framework, redirects them to the Spirit’s global mission, and never affirms a future national kingdom; the NT repeatedly shows the disciples misunderstanding the nature of the kingdom before Pentecost, and Acts itself demonstrates that once the Spirit comes, their theology shifts from ethnic restoration to worldwide ingathering under the risen Christ; prophetic telescoping is real, but the apostles consistently telescope toward Christ, not toward a revived tribal monarchy, and the “blindness” of Israel in Romans 11 is not a divine promise of a future ethnic kingdom but a temporary hardening that results in the salvation of the full number of the elect—Jew and Gentile together—so the question “why would Christians care?” misses the point, because the issue is not emotional preference but apostolic hermeneutics: the NT never re‑opens an ethnic land program, never re‑establishes tribal identity, never predicts a future Jewish‑only kingdom, and never treats the millennium as a second phase of Israel’s national story; instead, it treats the millennium as the reign of the already‑enthroned Christ over the one people of God, the same unified body Paul describes in Ephesians 2, where the dividing wall is already broken and the promises already belong to those in Christ

Jesus died for the sins of the world, but he came only for the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Jesus clearly told his disciples not to go to the Gentiles, and he never changed the charge he gave them.

Mat 10:5-6 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Mat 15:26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.

It wasn’t until after the 70th week ended that Jesus sent Paul to the Gentiles. Jesus never ended his commandment to his apostles to not go to the Gentiles, but he did explain to Peter that the door of salvation was open to the Gentiles, and the purpose was to make the Jews jealous.

Gal 2:7-8 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter; (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles.

When Jesus told his apostles to go into every nation it was for the purpose of reaching the dispersed, or lost sheep of the house of Israel. The truth of this matter is asserted by their actions and thoughts. (The Jewish Church that had all things common disappears.)

Act 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

 

[OMC]

And while you mention that the Disciples then go on to focus on a worldwide ingathering, why do you think Jesus always stayed back and said that He only came for the lost sheep of Israel in Matthew 15:24? Paul tells you why in Romans 15:8 why.

Romans 15:8 - Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:

And no matter how much you want to rebuke that, there is NO getting around what Jesus told His disciples in Luke 24:44.

Luke 24:44 - And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

Your citations don’t overturn the point — they actually reinforce it.
Matthew 15:24 and Romans 15:8 show Jesus’ earthly mission was first to Israel, not because the kingdom is ethnically Israel, but because the promises must be fulfilled in Israel’s Messiah before they can be extended to the nations.
That’s Paul’s whole logic: Christ came “to confirm the promises made to the fathers so that the Gentiles might glorify God for His mercy.” The sequence is Israel → nations, not Israel → Israel‑again.
And Luke 24:44 doesn’t say “all things written must be fulfilled in a future geopolitical restoration,” it says they must be fulfilled in Him — His person, His work, His death, His resurrection, His enthronement.
The NT never treats those texts as proof of a postponed ethnic kingdom; it treats them as proof that every promise finds its telos in Christ, who then sends the Spirit and launches the global ingathering.
Your verses explain why the mission begins with Israel, not that it ends with Israel.

 

[OMC]

Maybe you're just overlooking other verses in the New Testament:

• Acts 3:19-21: Peter speaks of the times of refreshing and the restoration of all things, which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets, linking Jesus’ return to this restoration.
  Acts 15:16-17: James cites Amos 9:11-12, stating that after the Gentiles are gathered, God will rebuild the tabernacle of David so that the rest of men may seek the Lord, implying the political and national restoration of Israel.
• Matthew 19:28: Jesus tells His disciples that in the regeneration (or restoration), they will sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel, implying a restored national entity under Messiah’s rule.
  
  

The verses you’re raising don’t overturn the Acts 1 point — they actually reinforce the same NT pattern:
fulfillment in Christ first, extension to the nations second, not “postponed ethnic kingdom later.”

let's break it down,

Acts 3:19–21 — Peter says “the restoration of all things” happens when Christ returns, and that restoration is everything the prophets said about the Messiah, not a re‑establishment of a geopolitical monarchy. Peter doesn’t say “restoration of Israel’s national sovereignty”; he says restoration of all things, which the NT consistently locates in Christ’s reign, new creation, and final judgment, not a revived tribal state.

Acts 15:16–17 — James quotes Amos to show that David’s fallen tent is rebuilt in Christ, not in a future political kingdom. The “rebuilding” is already happening through the Gentile ingathering, which is exactly why James cites it — the prophecy is being fulfilled right now as the nations come in. The NT never treats Amos 9 as a future ethnic restoration; it treats it as Messianic fulfillment in the church.

Matthew 19:28 — Jesus says the apostles will judge the twelve tribes in the regeneration, which is resurrection/new creation language, not millennial geopolitics. The “twelve tribes” is the standard NT way of referring to the whole people of God (cf. James 1:1), not a revived ethnic state.
Their thrones correspond to apostolic authority, not a future Israeli parliament.
Your verses prove the same thing Acts 1 proves: the promises to Israel are fulfilled in Israel’s Messiah, and once fulfilled, they expand outward into the worldwide kingdom Jesus actually describes.
None of these texts reopen a national land program, tribal monarchy, or ethnic kingdom.
They all point to Christ Himself as the locus of restoration, rule, and fulfillment —
which is why the NT’s kingdom trajectory is Messiah → Spirit → nations,
not Israel → delay → Israel‑again

 

[OMC]

Jesus died for the sins of the world, but he came only for the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Jesus clearly told his disciples not to go to the Gentiles, and he never changed the charge he gave them.

Mat 10:5-6 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Mat 15:26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.

It wasn’t until after the 70th week ended that Jesus sent Paul to the Gentiles. Jesus never ended his commandment to his apostles to not go to the Gentiles, but he did explain to Peter that the door of salvation was open to the Gentiles, and the purpose was to make the Jews jealous.

Gal 2:7-8 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter; (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles.

When Jesus told his apostles to go into every nation it was for the purpose of reaching the dispersed, or lost sheep of the house of Israel. The truth of this matter is asserted by their actions and thoughts. (The Jewish Church that had all things common disappears.)

Act 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

Your argument freezes Jesus’ early‑mission restriction (“don’t go to Gentiles”) and treats it as His final kingdom blueprint, but the NT itself overturns that reading.
Matthew 10 and 15 describe a temporary, Israel‑first phase so the promises are fulfilled in Israel’s Messiah;
Acts, Luke, and Paul describe the post‑resurrection phase, where Jesus explicitly sends His apostles to all nations, the Spirit falls on all flesh, Peter is corrected for avoiding Gentiles, and Paul’s mission is the fulfillment of Isaiah’s Servant to the nations — not a late add‑on after a “70th week.”
The NT trajectory is consistent:
Israel first, then the nations, one kingdom under one Messiah,
not Israel now, Gentiles later, Israel again.

 

[Revelation1v8]

Your citations don’t overturn the point — they actually reinforce it.
Matthew 15:24 and Romans 15:8 show Jesus’ earthly mission was first to Israel, not because the kingdom is ethnically Israel, but because the promises must be fulfilled in Israel’s Messiah before they can be extended to the nations.
That’s Paul’s whole logic: Christ came “to confirm the promises made to the fathers so that the Gentiles might glorify God for His mercy.” The sequence is Israel → nations, not Israel → Israel‑again.
And Luke 24:44 doesn’t say “all things written must be fulfilled in a future geopolitical restoration,” it says they must be fulfilled in Him — His person, His work, His death, His resurrection, His enthronement.
The NT never treats those texts as proof of a postponed ethnic kingdom; it treats them as proof that every promise finds its telos in Christ, who then sends the Spirit and launches the global ingathering.
Your verses explain why the mission begins with Israel, not that it ends with Israel.

You're practicing lingual gymnastics now because there is definitely a form of a geopolitical world after Jesus returns to set up His Millennial Kingdom.

 

[Revelation1v8]

Your argument freezes Jesus’ early‑mission restriction (“don’t go to Gentiles”) and treats it as His final kingdom blueprint, but the NT itself overturns that reading.
Matthew 10 and 15 describe a temporary, Israel‑first phase so the promises are fulfilled in Israel’s Messiah;
Acts, Luke, and Paul describe the post‑resurrection phase, where Jesus explicitly sends His apostles to all nations, the Spirit falls on all flesh, Peter is corrected for avoiding Gentiles, and Paul’s mission is the fulfillment of Isaiah’s Servant to the nations — not a late add‑on after a “70th week.”
The NT trajectory is consistent:
Israel first, then the nations, one kingdom under one Messiah,
not Israel now, Gentiles later, Israel again.

His argument is only trying to show you that Israel as a nation is being set apart for a specific reason and that reason is because God/Jesus ALWAYS uses the nation of Israel as the focal point for ALL prophecy and it is where Jesus starts His earthly Millennial Kingdom.

 

[OMC]

You're practicing lingual gymnastics now because there is definitely a form of a geopolitical world after Jesus returns to set up His Millennial Kingdom.

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pointing to a geopolitical map doesn’t prove a geopolitical kingdom. The NT never denies that the world continues to have nations after Christ returns — what it denies is that the kingdom Jesus brings is a revived ethnic‑Israeli monarchy. You’re collapsing “nations exist” into “therefore Israel’s old political structure is restored,” but the NT never makes that jump.

Here’s the tight, text‑only correction:

Jesus’ Israel‑first mission (Matt 10, Matt 15) is a temporary stage to fulfill the promises in Israel’s Messiah, not the permanent shape of the kingdom.
After the resurrection, Jesus explicitly reverses the restriction: “make disciples of all nations,” which is the launch of the Spirit‑driven global kingdom, not a return to tribal geopolitics.
Acts 10 doesn’t show Gentile outreach is unlawful — it shows the old restriction is over, because God Himself declares no person unclean.
Acts 15 says the Gentile ingathering is the rebuilding of David’s tent — meaning the kingdom is already expanding, not postponed.
Matthew 19:28 speaks of the “regeneration,” which is new‑creation authority, not a millennial Israeli parliament.
So yes — the world still has nations.
But the NT kingdom is Christ’s reign over all nations, not Israel’s restored monarchy over the nations.
That’s the difference you’re missing.

 

[OMC]

His argument is only trying to show you that Israel as a nation is being set apart for a specific reason and that reason is because God/Jesus ALWAYS uses the nation of Israel as the focal point for ALL prophecy and it is where Jesus starts His earthly Millennial Kingdom.

Saying “Israel is always the prophetic focal point” is true — but the NT never turns that into “therefore the millennium is a restored geopolitical Israel.”
The NT keeps Israel’s priority while redefining Israel’s role around Christ Himself, not around a revived national monarchy.

 

[tttallison]

Your argument freezes Jesus’ early‑mission restriction (“don’t go to Gentiles”) and treats it as His final kingdom blueprint, but the NT itself overturns that reading.
Matthew 10 and 15 describe a temporary, Israel‑first phase so the promises are fulfilled in Israel’s Messiah;
Acts, Luke, and Paul describe the post‑resurrection phase, where Jesus explicitly sends His apostles to all nations, the Spirit falls on all flesh, Peter is corrected for avoiding Gentiles, and Paul’s mission is the fulfillment of Isaiah’s Servant to the nations — not a late add‑on after a “70th week.”
The NT trajectory is consistent:
Israel first, then the nations, one kingdom under one Messiah,
not Israel now, Gentiles later, Israel again.

Can you give me some verses to back up your claim that Jesus sent his 12 apostles to the Gentiles?

Yes Israel was to be a light to the Gentiles, but the only apostle specifically assigned to the Gentiles was Paul, as one born out of due time, and the purpose was to make the Jews jealous.

 

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Can you give me some verses to back up your claim that Jesus sent his 12 apostles to the Gentiles?

Yes Israel was to be a light to the Gentiles, but the only apostle specifically assigned to the Gentiles was Paul, as one born out of due time, and the purpose was to make the Jews jealous

Matthew 28:19 — “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations.”This is spoken to the Eleven (the Twelve minus Judas).
Mark 16:15 — “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.”Again, spoken to the Eleven.
Luke 24:47 — “Repentance and forgiveness of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.”Spoken to the Eleven.
These are not symbolic. They are literal commands to the Twelve to go to Gentiles.

Acts 1:8 — “You [the Twelve] will be My witnesses… to the ends of the earth.”
“Ends of the earth” is standard Jewish language for Gentile territory.

Acts 8:14–25 — Peter and John preach in Samaritan territory (half‑Gentile).
Acts 10–11 — Peter preaches to Cornelius, a Roman Gentile.
Acts 11:18 — The apostles conclude: “God has granted repentance to the Gentiles.”
This is not Paul. This is Peter.

This is the Twelve affirming Gentile inclusion.
Acts 15:7 — Peter: “God made a choice among you that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the gospel.”
Acts 15:22–29 — The apostles send Judas and Silas (prophets) to Gentile churches.
Galatians 2:9 — James, Peter, and John give Paul and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship for Gentile mission — meaning they themselves continue the Jewish‑first mission, but not Jewish‑only.

Paul acknowledges their Gentile work.
Romans 10:18 — “Their voice has gone out to all the earth, their words to the ends of the world.”Paul applies this to the apostolic preaching — not only his own.
The restriction appears only in Matthew 10 — and only before the cross.

After the resurrection, Jesus reverses it three times (Matt 28, Mark 16, Luke 24) and commissions them globally (Acts 1:8).

 

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pointing to a geopolitical map doesn’t prove a geopolitical kingdom. The NT never denies that the world continues to have nations after Christ returns — what it denies is that the kingdom Jesus brings is a revived ethnic‑Israeli monarchy. You’re collapsing “nations exist” into “therefore Israel’s old political structure is restored,” but the NT never makes that jump.

Here’s the tight, text‑only correction:

Jesus’ Israel‑first mission (Matt 10, Matt 15) is a temporary stage to fulfill the promises in Israel’s Messiah, not the permanent shape of the kingdom.
After the resurrection, Jesus explicitly reverses the restriction: “make disciples of all nations,” which is the launch of the Spirit‑driven global kingdom, not a return to tribal geopolitics.
Acts 10 doesn’t show Gentile outreach is unlawful — it shows the old restriction is over, because God Himself declares no person unclean.
Acts 15 says the Gentile ingathering is the rebuilding of David’s tent — meaning the kingdom is already expanding, not postponed.
Matthew 19:28 speaks of the “regeneration,” which is new‑creation authority, not a millennial Israeli parliament.
So yes — the world still has nations.
But the NT kingdom is Christ’s reign over all nations, not Israel’s restored monarchy over the nations.
That’s the difference you’re missing.

I've never mentioned "Israel's restored monarchy". I've always shown you how the literal state of Israel is being used by God/Jesus to set the stage for the permanent kingdom of Heaven through way of an God/Jesus' earthly kingdom for 1,000 years...FROM ISRAEL.

 

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I've never mentioned "Israel's restored monarchy". I've always shown you how the literal state of Israel is being used by God/Jesus to set the stage for the permanent kingdom of Heaven through way of an God/Jesus' earthly kingdom for 1,000 years...FROM ISRAEL.

Saying “I never claimed Israel’s restored monarchy” doesn’t fix the problem, because your model still assumes the very thing the NT never teaches — that the literal, modern state of Israel is the divinely chosen staging ground for Jesus’ earthly millennial kingdom. That claim is not found in any NT text. The NT affirms Israel’s priority, Israel’s Messiah, Israel’s promises — but it never says the millennium begins from Israel as a geopolitical state. That’s the jump your system keeps making, and the apostles never make it.

 

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Can you give me some verses to back up your claim that Jesus sent his 12 apostles to the Gentiles?

Yes Israel was to be a light to the Gentiles, but the only apostle specifically assigned to the Gentiles was Paul, as one born out of due time, and the purpose was to make the Jews jealous.

Peter also went to the Gentile household to lead them to Christ. Barnabus was also an apostle to the Gentiles. Many preachers believe that God allowed Rome to destroy Jerusalem to get the believers to obey His commandment to preach the gospel to the ends of the earth.

"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptising them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit," Matthew 28:19

Do you not remember what God said to Abraham? "And your seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and you shall break forth to the west, and east, and north, and south. And all the families of the earth shall be blessed in you and in your seed." Genesis 28:14